On Wednesday Bastian abused that guy he fouled (in more languages than one) more than what seems to have been said by Jose in that video to Eva.
Eva Carneiro leaves Chelsea
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Yeah but the guy was not demoted to a towel boy job by Bastian after the incident.
Yeah the results have been so bad that it's almost made this incident seem minor (almost). An interesting question is are the results shit despite this or (in part) because of this.
The Special One does not do apologies.
True. Especially the way Jon Fearn was hardly mentioned compared to Carneiro.
I do wonder if it is affecting Hazard. Maybe he feels a bit guilty because he was the one who was 'injured'.
Yeah the results have been so bad that it's almost made this incident seem minor (almost). An interesting question is are the results shit despite this or (in part) because of this.
The Special One does not do apologies.
True. Especially the way Jon Fearn was hardly mentioned compared to Carneiro.
It is interesting alright. Even without concrete proof, I believe it's impacted the team (possibly Hazard).
Watching today's game, you have to think this is true....that everyone must be walking on eggshells and trying really hard not to be noticed. Mourinho's pregame comments seem to show he's thinking about himself rather than the game about to start.
The story always is how much he's loved by his players -- and presumably his staff too. I just can't see how the staff would love him right now -- and the players don't seem to be stepping up either.
Again without really being 100% sure, I think if the Caneiro situation was handled a lot more discreetly, their results wouldn't have been as shit.
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'Siege mentality' and 'deflecting attention from results' are two of the silliest theories you see on football forums.
Football Association officials to be questioned over Eva Carneiro case
‘Deep concerns’ raised over handling of anti-discrimination cases
Investigation into Heather Rabbatts will also be raised with FA heads
http://www.theguardian.com/football...s-questioned-chelsea-doctor-eva-carneiro-case
‘Deep concerns’ raised over handling of anti-discrimination cases
Investigation into Heather Rabbatts will also be raised with FA heads
http://www.theguardian.com/football...s-questioned-chelsea-doctor-eva-carneiro-case
Eva Carneiro sues Chelsea for constructive dismissal after failing to agree settlement with the club over touchline row.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...-dismissal-failing-agree-settlement-club.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...-dismissal-failing-agree-settlement-club.html
They will pay her off.
If it goes to court and they lose (which they will) it will be amazingly bad PR for the club, which it really doesn't need at the moment.
If it goes to court and they lose (which they will) it will be amazingly bad PR for the club, which it really doesn't need at the moment.
Yeah, they will have to settle, they don't have a leg to stand on. She was basically asked to put the aims of the club ahead of the well being of an individual, and frozen out when she refused to do so... it goes against a pretty basic rule of being a doctor.
I don't think Chelsea could have handled this situation any worse if they'd tried.
Was she even asked to do that? They can't even claim that - not that it would give them a tiny bit of reason. She simply did her job and was frozen out afterwards for things that are beyond her decision capacity.
I am surprised someone on the board did not prevent Mourinho for doing this.
So she got taken off match day duties, but remained a club doctor from the training base.. And are we under the impression she was sacked, all I've read is that she departed from the club, which could have been her decision?
She was frozen out from the job she was originally hired for, for no other reason than doing her job. She's got a good case.
Mourinho didn't do anything other then publically complain. He doesn't have the power to directly demote people.
This is true. She left and the club didn't demote her. There is clearly more behind this decision then just the Hazard incident.
OK, she wasn't sacked, but removal from match day duties could certainly be termed a demotion, or at the very least as an impediment to fulfilling her role.
Either way, questioning her actions in public could be termed as damaging to her reputation, also without any sort of due process or qualified opinion.
I'm telling you, having been involved in a few cases of employment law where the employer did far far less, if it goes to court they will 100% find against Chelsea on this.
It was pretty obvious Mourinho was extremely pissed with her, for basically doing what she was employed to do and that that was behind removal from the match day squad, add to that the public comments and you can very easily make a case for constructive dismissal.
It isn't all that clear.
Yep, this is absolutely correct.
I know. The club wouldnt demote her just because Mourinho stropped.
Rumour has it that sue refused to have a meeting with Mourinho and the medical team to clear the air. And there is also all the business with the Facebook post of hers.
Possibly. Doesn't seem that cut and dry as most people think though. She remained in a job with the same job title and salary presumably.
Fair enough. If my employer told me I no longer have to fulfil a certain duty I've been carrying out but I'm remaining in the same job title and salary, my reaction wouldn't be I'm entitled to millions via a court case but I suppose every situation is different.
Yep all of this. 100% correct. Chelsea have to settle. They don't have half a leg to stand on with this situation.
Or Abramovich gets his buddies in Russia to erase Eva from the face of the Earth.
Nah.. he'll get his buddies to erase Mourinho instead
Come on now... Plenty of managers in the league will have control over their coaching and medical staff I imagine, the clubs will give managers power over what happens on the pitch and therefore what happens on the bench.
It wasn't the same job though - being the primary matchday doc is surely a higher position than some random doc in the clubhouse. Also, she is being penalized for not playing along with Mourinho's cynical attempt at time wasting, which is probably also part of the complaint. You can't sanction someone from doing their job because they couldn't read your mind that you wanted them to not do their job.
What if it happened very publically? And it led to newspapers with silly dirt stories and eveyone knowing your abilities are under question. Do you think you'd still be as happy to accept it?
You know?
What we know is that Mourinho publicly shamed her post-match, and called her a daughter of a whore on the pitch.
We know that she got taken off the match-team after Mourinho said something along the line of her "needing to understand the game".
We also know that the referee called her on (reported not just once, nor twice, but 3 times), so she had no choice in the matter.
So far there is a lot to suggest that this is the reason she was being removed.
And even if rumors are to be believed (rumors I've never seen reported by the way), that she refused to have a meeting with Mourinho, maybe his mindless and offensive actions played a part in it?
Sometimes "clearing the air" is just something you "have to do" so you don't get situations like these.
(Edit: from employers point of view)
It doesn't mean that Mourinho genuinely felt he was in the wrong with the incident and how he acted - which even now, to me, seems like he feels like he did no wrong.
This isn't a case I've been following religiously though, so surely there are more things that have been revealed, maybe tons that supports Mourinho's case.
But going by the information that we know, and not just the stuff you know, Chelsea and Mourinho has a very, very weak case.
Why not both?Nah.. he'll get his buddies to erase Mourinho instead
I doubt he has control over the medical team. Its the head doctor that controls who does what in the medical team and the head doctor doesn't answer to the manager at Chelsea.
She is just an ordinary doctor, regardless of whether she is on match days or not.
That's another issue. But no I wouldn't be happy about it, although at least part of these annoyances are a result of choosing to work in the public eye.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that Mourinho wouldn't have say over the medical team?
He's a Chelsea fan, their myopic tendencies are legendary.
But her role has nothing to do with the public eye. Not in the sense you seem to mean here anyway.
It's the same issue actually, just because she is a doctor at a football club doesn't mean she should just accept what happened.
Its why I just couldn't understand the course of action Mourinho took at the time, at best it was incredibly ill advised and naive, at worst an example of extreme arrogance.
She could also have a strong claim that by criticising her in the manner he did, Chelsea have damaged her prospects of securing work in the future - if that were upheld, and I suspect it would be, then Roman would be writing a VERY big cheque.
She could also have a strong claim that by criticising her in the manner he did, Chelsea have damaged her prospects of securing work in the future - if that were upheld, and I suspect it would be, then Roman would be writing a VERY big cheque.
I am positive Mourinho doesn't have the power to dismiss the medical team. They aren't apart of his coaching staff and are out of his jurisdiction. Whoever removed here from her match day duties was higher up then Mourinho.
He clearly has the most influence on the people above him that could make the decision to demote her though, hence in effect he is in control.
Pathetic how an organization as big as Chelsea handled all this. There are startups that are barely profitable and are smarter at dealing with this kind of stuff.
That's ridiculous. If a manager like Mourinho or SAF wanted a medical staff change, it would happen. If they thought the team wasn't doing the job they should be, there's no way changes wouldn't happen on their say.