Eva Carneiro leaves Chelsea

Kakeru said:
How many matches were lost by our players through injuries? How many matches Chelsea players lost through injuries? What is our overall position in terms of matches missed through injuries in the last 4 seasons? What is Chelsea's position in the same charts for the same period? Answer those questions, and you will have your answers.

Like I wrote before, Eva Carneiro had to deal with different training methods from 4 different managers. Even then, her work allowed the players to miss so few matches due to injuries DESPITE having crocks like Michael Essien and Ashley Cole on board for some time. Can you just give her credit for that? I have yet to read or hear criticism from an ex-Chelsea player on her work as a doctor while there has already been some against McNally.
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The doctors treat the injuries, the fitness coaches train the players. Really good fitness trainers doing the right work have the biggest impact on lowering the numbers of injuries. Doctors treat once an injury has happened.
 
Stack said:
The doctors treat the injuries, the fitness coaches train the players. Really good fitness trainers doing the right work have the biggest impact on lowering the numbers of injuries. Doctors treat once an injury has happened.
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You are right, but really good doctors work well with coaches and do alot of work with injury prevention.
 
Mourinho cleared by the FA.

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho will face no disciplinary action after the Football Association cleared him of making discriminatory comments towards former club doctor Eva Carneiro.

The FA studied footage from the 2-2 draw with Swansea on 8 August after a member of the public made a complaint.
Carneiro and head physio Jon Fearn were criticised by Mourinho for treating Eden Hazard with the side a man down.
The 42-year-old had her role downgraded before deciding to leave the club.
She is now considering her legal position.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
I always bring this up but, just last season Pep's falling out with Bayern's medical staff became a big story in Germany even though none of them were female.
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Exactly. No doubt it was a bit more hysterical that it happened to Eva, but a physio getting cursed at by Mourinho (with him acting like a baby on the sidelines) for doing his job would've attracted headlines all the same.
 
Tommy said:
Mourinho cleared by the FA.

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho will face no disciplinary action after the Football Association cleared him of making discriminatory comments towards former club doctor Eva Carneiro.

The FA studied footage from the 2-2 draw with Swansea on 8 August after a member of the public made a complaint.
Carneiro and head physio Jon Fearn were criticised by Mourinho for treating Eden Hazard with the side a man down.
The 42-year-old had her role downgraded before deciding to leave the club.
She is now considering her legal position.
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I hate Mourinho as much as the next United fan, but I'm not really sure how 'filha da puta' (ie. daughter of a whore,) is any way more sexist than saying the more common 'filho da puta' (ie. son of a whore.) The group Women in Football are apparently claiming his use of the feminine ('filha') proves that he directed it at Carneiro, and therefore, it was a sexist attack. I have no doubt it was indeed directed at her, but what's sexist about it (unless you take issue with the expression in general, and its slandering of the mother of the 'filha/filho'?) If that's sexist language, then you'd have to charge every player playing in Portugal or Brazil, as it's a pretty common expression (not to mention anyone else muttering expressions such as 'son of a bitch' or 'hijo de puta.')

I think Mourinho's behaviour towards the medical staff was despicable, but I've never really felt it was sexist; rather, it was just an example of winning at all costs, and/or throwing someone under the bus when a result doesn't go your way.
 
I can see why it would be perceived as sexist, but I don't think he did what he did because she was a woman.

It can be seen as sexist because he's specifically targeting her gender in the outburst rather than targeting her professionalism or just saying "son of a bitch/whore" which is more common (and you usually yell it out when you're angry at a situation or person rather than thinking about exactly what you said.)
 
jem said:
I hate Mourinho as much as the next United fan, but I'm not really sure how 'filha da puta' (ie. daughter of a whore,) is any way more sexist than saying the more common 'filho da puta' (ie. son of a whore.) The group Women in Football are apparently claiming his use of the feminine ('filha') proves that he directed it at Carneiro, and therefore, it was a sexist attack. I have no doubt it was indeed directed at her, but what's sexist about it (unless you take issue with the expression in general, and its slandering of the mother of the 'filha/filho'?) If that's sexist language, then you'd have to charge every player playing in Portugal or Brazil, as it's a pretty common expression (not to mention anyone else muttering expressions such as 'son of a bitch' or 'hijo de puta.')

I think Mourinho's behaviour towards the medical staff was despicable, but I've never really felt it was sexist; rather, it was just an example of winning at all costs, and/or throwing someone under the bus when a result doesn't go your way.
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Very good point, what he did was stupid and incredibly unfair on the doctors. It simply wasn't sexism as it wasn't Eva alone who was targeted by him.
 
hbgreg said:
I can see why it would be perceived as sexist, but I don't think he did what he did because she was a woman.

It can be seen as sexist because he's specifically targeting her gender in the outburst rather than targeting her professionalism or just saying "son of a bitch/whore" which is more common (and you usually yell it out when you're angry at a situation or person rather than thinking about exactly what you said.)
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He called her a daughter of a whore allegedly which is sexist language. He also made comments afterwards that plainly likened her to a secretary who didn't understand football if I remember correctly.
 
Wibble said:
He called her a daughter of a whore allegedly which is sexist language. He also made comments afterwards that plainly likened her to a secretary who didn't understand football if I remember correctly.
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I don't know about the second part but a phrase like "daughter of a bitch/whore" is very diffrent than "son of a bitch/whore" so I agree with you that it's sexist language.
 
I don't know if it was sexist, but Mourinho surely is at fault for letting her out of the kitchen for so long.
 
We should sign her up imagine the sponsorship deals we'd rake in on the back of her.. pornhub and whatnot.
 
Tommy said:
Mourinho cleared by the FA.

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho will face no disciplinary action after the Football Association cleared him of making discriminatory comments towards former club doctor Eva Carneiro.

The FA studied footage from the 2-2 draw with Swansea on 8 August after a member of the public made a complaint.
Carneiro and head physio Jon Fearn were criticised by Mourinho for treating Eden Hazard with the side a man down.
The 42-year-old had her role downgraded before deciding to leave the club.
She is now considering her legal position.
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I can't believe it... She's 42?!
 
Revan said:
Millions? She's a physio, I doubt that her salary for the next 3 years reaches a million.
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She wasn't a physio, she is a doctor and was Assistant Head of Chelsea's medical dept.

As I've said already, I expect Chelsea to settle out of court and they will pay extra for a non-disclosure agreement.
 
Expected nothing less from the spineless FA. The interesting one will be the constructive dismissal suit, although im sure Chelsea will sweep that one under the carpet well before it gets to court.
 
hbgreg said:
I don't know about the second part but a phrase like "daughter of a bitch/whore" is very diffrent than "son of a bitch/whore" so I agree with you that it's sexist language.
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The problem is that he denied saying it about the person, he said he was referring to the situation.

The difference in portuguese between "daughter of a bitch" [her] and "son of a bitch" [the situation] is mainly in the article and one vowel here and there I think (Filho da puta vs. Filha da puta) so it's very hard to say definitely.

However the comments afterwards are what he should be punished for. He said she should "understand football better" but that's not her job. Her job is the safety and health of the players and if that cheating bastard Hazard stayed down when Chelsea had a chance to draw or win a game it's his play acting that "The Special One" should be venting at, not a young woman just doing what she's paid for.
 
Wibble said:
Seriously?
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Deadly. I asked further questions back in the thread, drawing a parallel with Tony Strudwick, a different doctor at a football club (United) that had his duties restricted and role ultimately altered. The only difference was that the episode didn't involve a public act of anger towards the employee courtesy of the manager.

I'm not positing it again. But the overall crux of what I was getting at is that I'm not very well versed in law and I doubt that many people on this forum are either, hence the curiosity. It really isn't that silly of a question.
 
Kag said:
Deadly. I asked further questions back in the thread, drawing a parallel with Tony Strudwick, a different doctor at a football club (United) that had his duties restricted and role ultimately altered. The only difference was that the episode didn't involve a public act of anger towards the employee courtesy of the manager.

I'm not positing it again. But the overall crux of what I was getting at is that I'm not very well versed in law and I doubt that many people on this forum are either, hence the curiosity. It really isn't that silly of a question.
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Well it also matters how much Strudwick was consulted on his change in role. If he was willing to accept it then there's no problem. I'm not aware of any comments he's made that he's unhappy. The situation at Chelsea is clearly different.
 
Well, Eva, they did have a record of the incident, both video and audio. Doesn't seem that they even requested the presence of the Special One either.
 
Why you guys think her statement would be needed?



Remark is on tape, isn't that enough? And she seems far apart of Mourinho at the time of him saying that. Doubt she even heard it.

Was there something else investigated?
 
Maybe there was more of it behind the scenes. Maybe Mourinho was stupid enough to reprimand her afterwards.
It's a pathetic investigation by the FA. As usual this is purely a PR stunt by the FA and nothing that can be labelled as an investigation.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
Why you guys think her statement would be needed?



Remark is on tape, isn't that enough? And she seems far apart of Mourinho at the time of him saying that. Doubt she even heard it.

Was there something else investigated?
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She should have been asked whether she could corroborate what was apparent on the tape - if she heard what he said and if she did, did she believe at the time he was referring to her or just making a general comment to no one in particular.
 
jem said:
I hate Mourinho as much as the next United fan, but I'm not really sure how 'filha da puta' (ie. daughter of a whore,) is any way more sexist than saying the more common 'filho da puta' (ie. son of a whore.) The group Women in Football are apparently claiming his use of the feminine ('filha') proves that he directed it at Carneiro, and therefore, it was a sexist attack. I have no doubt it was indeed directed at her, but what's sexist about it (unless you take issue with the expression in general, and its slandering of the mother of the 'filha/filho'?) If that's sexist language, then you'd have to charge every player playing in Portugal or Brazil, as it's a pretty common expression (not to mention anyone else muttering expressions such as 'son of a bitch' or 'hijo de puta.')

I think Mourinho's behaviour towards the medical staff was despicable, but I've never really felt it was sexist; rather, it was just an example of winning at all costs, and/or throwing someone under the bus when a result doesn't go your way.
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Fully agree with this.

I think there is no doubt that it has gotten extra attention due to a female being the victim in this case, but that doesnt make it an inherently sexist incident, despite what certain groups and movements seem to think.
 
That sounds fair. Though, that fourth ref there would be way more important witness.

Rednotdead said:
She should have been asked whether she could corroborate what was apparent on the tape - if she heard what he said and if she did, did she believe at the time he was referring to her or just making a general comment to no one in particular.
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There's more going on here than what's made it into the public eye.

She clearly hates Mourinho. A lot. There must have been some nonsense before and the Hazard thing is what brought it out in the open.

It makes Mourinho and Chelsea look like a bunch of spanners in anycase so it's all good.
 
noodlehair said:
There's more going on here than what's made it into the public eye.

She clearly hates Mourinho. A lot. There must have been some nonsense before and the Hazard thing is what brought it out in the open.

It makes Mourinho and Chelsea look like a bunch of spanners in anycase so it's all good.
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It also may set back women in football for a few years. Stupid amounts are being made about this.
 
It is extremely idiotic and naive of Mourinho to not apologize and get this over with. Mourinho not only has a big ego, he is also pretty clueless about dealing with the mess that his team is in currently.

However, abusing the medic, while completely unfair and (IMO) a punishable offence in itself, was not sexist at all. He would have done the same had two male medics gone into the playing field. What was sexist was the press' reaction to the incident - the involvement of her ex and spicy tit bits of information about their sex life and how she ditched the guy etc.
 
Subho611 said:
It is extremely idiotic and naive of Mourinho to not apologize and get this over with. Mourinho not only has a big ego, he is also pretty clueless about dealing with the mess that his team is in currently.

However, abusing the medic, while completely unfair and (IMO) a punishable offence in itself, was not sexist at all. He would have done the same had two male medics gone into the playing field. What was sexist was the press' reaction to the incident - the involvement of her ex and spicy tit bits of information about their sex life and how she ditched the guy etc.
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Exactly, and women's rights groups' claiming the language he used was sexist has, in my opinion, the opposite effect to what they intended, as it implies that Carneiro is in some way more sensitive and vulnerable to an everyday profanity than any man would be (I've yet to hear Women in Football complain about the expression before this, despite the fact that one could argue that 'filho/a da puta' is a sexist expression, in an of itself.)
 
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