European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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There has to be a mechanism at our club to have execs fired when they have made such abominable decisions. A vote of no confidence is required. Because they are destroying the ethos of our.club.
The executive is mostly the Glazer family.
 
I ultimately hope this is stopped but that the PL is forced to allow the Saudis buy Newcastle. If this is how things are now then it should be the same rules for everyone.
 
I don't think a Super League would be an "additional tournament". There is a strong possibility that teams playing in the Super League will be punished by being barred from all domestic competitions and players barred from internationals.
No, that won't fly and we already spoke about that. Noone is banning the clubs or players for participating in an additional tournament.
 
When all the big sides feck off to their own sandbox, and the CL basically becomes another EL.

Whole lotta disdain for small leagues/clubs here. I'll leave you to your righteous indignation over football teams daring to compete.
It's a fact. If you want to watch Cluj vs Rosenburg then head over to the Europa league and have a gander there. In the mean time, the clubs that actually have a chance of winning the CL should be competing for the CL. That is the loosest application of daring to compete I've ever seen. It's like bringing a spud gun to the beaches of Normandy on D Day and "competing".
 
If this happens and the domestic leagues are broken up, next you'll see teams being moved from their original cities to more lucrative markets. I wouldn't be surprised if City played in Abu Dhabi itself.
 
I see your point, but in football, success usually breeds more success i.e. clubs that "earn their way to the top" usually stay at the top for a long time unless something disruptive happens (like new money injected into other clubs for example).

Effectively United had monopoly over Manchester and Arsenal had monopoly over London until Chelsea & City had serious money injected into their clubs.

Without that money, United & Arsenal would continue to have a chokehold over Manchester and London pretty much permanently.

Btw, I shouldn't have said that I have no respect for your opinion, I think that was rude and uncalled for, so apologies for that.

(I should also add that the PL benefited somewhat from serious investment. We could conceivably have 4 English finalists in European competitions yet again -Arsenal/United/Chelsea/City are all European semi finalists)

I wasn't offended. I'm not easily offended.

However this about making more money and also about taking away some of the advantages that oil clubs have.
 
If they are serious about the bans, there is no way this can go forward right ? Who would wanna miss out on World Cups ? Euros ? Copa America ? AFCONs ?

Who wants to watch a world cup without any of the best players? It's an empty threat.
 
Can we just hold up for just 1 minute?

The UEFA reform of the UCL is awfully similar to the what the ESL are proposing hmmmm:

And what about UEFA’s reformed Champions League?
UEFA wants a new format for the Champions League from 2024, with one 36-team league replacing the current group stage, where every team plays 10 matches.

This is called the ‘Swiss model’.

Under the proposed format, by the time winner has lifted the European Cup, the competition will have produced 100 new games, and the finalists will have played at least 17 matches, four more than under the current system.

Accommodating four additional games in the autumn will be a challenge for most national leagues, however, including in England, where the Carabao Cup would be under threat.

Three of the four extra Champions League places would meanwhile go to clubs based on past performance in Europe, using the UEFA coefficient ranking system.

https://theathletic.com/news/european-super-league-premier-league/i5ilPK1rFttI
it is very possible to hate and condemn both plans.
 
How exactly? These 15 teams would play all 3 - domestic leagues, CL and ESLs. If they don't qualify for CL, they will just play ESL.

It's just an additional revenue which they want to explore. It has nothing to do with existing domestic leagues or CLs

The details aren't out yet but I think you might be missing the point.

The domestic leagues will move heaven and earth to stop this breakaway. The rich clubs do not get to choose which competitions they get to participate in-the domestic leagues will make that decision for them.

I am assuming the rich clubs have considered the possibility that by joining a super league they be burning all bridges with their domestic leagues and players participation in international tournaments.
 
People are always afraid of change. Let’s see what the actual plans are before calling it the end of football. Anyway, I would be extremely sceptical of anything Sky or anyone else with vested interests paints this as.
I think if you have followed this ove the last couple of years and major idea is that clubs cant be relegated, so that they can get more money more consistently. the rest of the details aren't relevant if that is case
 
How exactly? These 15 teams would play all 3 - domestic leagues, CL and ESLs. If they don't qualify for CL, they will just play ESL.

It's just an additional revenue which they want to explore. It has nothing to do with existing domestic leagues or CLs
:lol:

Just count the number of games.
 
Why do they have to ruin what is good.

I feel CL is good as it is. Maybe improve it to 64 teams if they want and remove EL.

Although I like having two tournaments to be honest.
 
I see what you're saying but I don't understand the link with this current situation.Not being a cnut tbh, just trying to understand is all

Look at how much the big clubs in England have been forced to spend to still watch City win 3 of the past 4 PL's, it's monumental sums of cash to be second best*, at best, and it only looks like getting more expensive and more difficult to stick with them. City will dominate until the U.A.E gets bored, that much is clear, it's incredible just how far they have come in such a short time.
Anyone spending those sums previously was guaranteed a title.

Clubs are panicking at how the can continue to attract players with these wages and the fees versus City, PSG and the worry of the likes of Saudi ownership, that's why they are so desperate to guarantee their futures with guaranteed revenues from a Super League.
 
Fans will feel passionately about this and rightly so, but please make your own minds up and don’t be sucked in by this ridiculous narrative being pushed by Sky. The way they bang on and moralise, the competition they have helped create is some Marxist utopia where all clubs compete on a level playing field and fans pay thru’penny bit to watch their local heroes play for the love of the game. Rubbish.

Let’s not kid ourselves. The Premier League has always been about money. It was about creating wealth for the original twenty breakaway teams and Sky Sports. Furthermore, its always been a “closed shop” dominated by a handful of rich sides. The only teams who have successfully broken into the top few sides are those who have had billions pumped in by shady owners. What’s so great about the current set-up, dominated by a Championship-sized team who have had the ill-gotten gains of corrupt trillionaires poured into “their” club?

I can’t understand what legitimate arguments exist against the ESL. All of the arguments against are emotive. People don’t like the idea or don’t feel comfortable with it, which is fine. But let’s not pretend it’s some major shift in direction away from what’s already been happening in football for 25 years. The game gave into greed long, long ago. The Premier League and UEFA had their chance to reform and did nothing. Now they are scrambling, along with Sky.
I think you are missing the point. This is a closed European Super League with no promotion or relegation. It is a club for the elite. A Royal Family of football clubs which excludes all other clubs.

Businesses are greedy...but there are levels of it.
Yes, clubs rely on finance and have a level of self interest. But this goes too far.

If it was a league that clubs from across Europe can qualify for...a.proper structure then that would be interesting.

But this is turning European club football into a farce where clubs such as ours feel they have an entitlement.
 
For people that missed it, this is where it comes from it's a long standing issue. This sentence echoes what the G-14, ECA and the cartel of top clubs have been doing for more than 20 years.
The big clubs are basically working on the assumption that their domestic leagues would cease to be viable without them, so the ultimate sanction of expelling them just won't happen. I think they've made a serious misjudgement, and I would welcome the powers that be - UEFA, FA, EPL, and corresponding organisations in Italy and Spain - stating clearly that expulsion is precisely what will happen to them if they don't abandon this scheme pronto (they have hinted at it already).

As well as fans being opposed, I can't believe that the majority of managers and players think much of this idea either. They could come together and kill it stone dead if they wished to simply by making their opposition clear and pledging never to set foot on the pitch for any game under the aegis of the poposed super league. The TV companies could weigh in too by saying they would not pay to show the games, and would give it zero coverage.
 
I'm not blaming Qatar or UAE though. I'm solely blaming UEFA and the rest that allowed what you described to become a thing long before the oil clubs came in. Now they are reaping what they sowed a long time ago so I simply won't blame the original monsters they created for turning against them. This thread is full of 'UEFA and the PL are right and the clubs are awful for this'. My viewpoint is that UEFA and the likes of the PL deserve most of the blame for this happening. They created this monster, as you pointed out, and now they are pissed because they finally can't control it. I hate the idea of the Super League but feel no sympathy to the corrupt organistations who are crying foul now simply because it hurts their bottom line.

Again if it were Rangers and Dundalk and champions from smaller nations threatening this then UEFA wouldn't give a shit. That tells you all you need to know abut the current 'integrity' they are trying to keep intact.

You kind of are by insinuating that their long standing money grab has anything to do with it. The monster has always existed the only thing that prevented it was that the UEFA caved every single time, the difference is that this time what the UEFA offered seemingly isn't enough. I find it problematic that you even start your point with it because it deflects from the historic shadiness of big clubs, we need to stop making excuses or making mitigating factos for the clubs that we love.

I also want to make the off topic point that these same clubs routinely shaft players, knowingly exploit young players when they don't have strong representation and that agents like Mendes and Raiola may be upsetting from the POV of a fan but they are snakes dealing with snakes, football clubs aren't angels and have never been.