European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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Interval said:
Let me guess the Presser. We don't want to do this but honestly, left with no other choice due to UEFA acting like a tyrant and making changes we don't like.

Cue some weeks of negotiation and a new structure that suits the moneymen on all sides
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This is the most likely eventuality.
 
Neville has called for a points deduction.

Imagine if United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal all got points deducted tomorrow, and you know it'll be a hefty points deduction to make an example of them, the top 4 of the league would look like this:

Leicester,
West Ham,
Everton,
Leeds

:lol: :lol:
 
Bayern is the best managed club in the world, and they do not need the super league money

Others club are desperate to make cash asap
 
Lentwood said:
Fans will feel passionately about this and rightly so, but please make your own minds up and don’t be sucked in by this ridiculous narrative being pushed by Sky. The way they bang on and moralise, the competition they have helped create is some Marxist utopia where all clubs compete on a level playing field and fans pay thru’penny bit to watch their local team play for the love of the game. Rubbish.

Let’s not kid ourselves. The Premier League has always been about money. It was about creating wealth for the original twenty breakaway teams and Sky Sports. Furthermore, its always been a “closed shop” dominated by a handful of rich sides. The only teams who have successfully broken into the top few sides are those who have had billions pumped in by shady owners. What’s so great about the current set-up, dominated by a Championship-sized team who have had the ill-gotten gains of corrupt trillionaires poured into “their” club?

I can’t understand what legitimate arguments exist against the ESL. All of the arguments against are emotive. People don’t like the idea or don’t feel comfortable with it, which is fine. But let’s not pretend it’s some major shift in direction away from what’s already been happening in football for 25 years. The game gave into greed long, long ago. The Premier League and UEFA had their chance to reform and did nothing. Now they are scrambling, along with Sky.
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Bang on the money.
 
So much speculation flying around. No one really knows other than the parasite owners of these clubs involved. I guess we all just have to wait and see at 9.30pm.
 
crossy1686 said:
"Here's £1m a week lads, or you can play for England/Norway? Your choice"
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It has to be a non-starter. Surely. I did wonder if this was more about big clubs politicking because of disquiet over how the game is run. But it does sound advanced. This idea has been around for some time
 
balaks said:
That's exactly what the plan is from what I can see. Leave the local leagues and start a new 'super league'.
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And I am saying, it's wrong. Noone has said anything about it. You are just assuming things now.
 
bond19821982 said:
Not really. Yes, we are emotionally attached to that great man but I doubt any owner would consult a business decision with footballing p eople
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Business decision is whether to choose pornhub or teamviewer as a shirt sponsor. A breakaway league is a transformational decision.
Surely having a living legend on your books may help provide some insight on such?
 
Lentwood said:
Fans will feel passionately about this and rightly so, but please make your own minds up and don’t be sucked in by this ridiculous narrative being pushed by Sky. The way they bang on and moralise, the competition they have helped create is some Marxist utopia where all clubs compete on a level playing field and fans pay thru’penny bit to watch their local heroes play for the love of the game. Rubbish.

Let’s not kid ourselves. The Premier League has always been about money. It was about creating wealth for the original twenty breakaway teams and Sky Sports. Furthermore, its always been a “closed shop” dominated by a handful of rich sides. The only teams who have successfully broken into the top few sides are those who have had billions pumped in by shady owners. What’s so great about the current set-up, dominated by a Championship-sized team who have had the ill-gotten gains of corrupt trillionaires poured into “their” club?

I can’t understand what legitimate arguments exist against the ESL. All of the arguments against are emotive. People don’t like the idea or don’t feel comfortable with it, which is fine. But let’s not pretend it’s some major shift in direction away from what’s already been happening in football for 25 years. The game gave into greed long, long ago. The Premier League and UEFA had their chance to reform and did nothing. Now they are scrambling, along with Sky.
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I couldn't disagree more strongly with your view.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Neville has called for a points deduction.

Imagine if United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal all got points deducted tomorrow, and you know it'll be a hefty points deduction to make an example of them, the top 4 of the league would look like this:

Leicester,
West Ham,
Everton,
Leeds

:lol: :lol:
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That is a sure-fire way of killing the Champions League stone dead!
 
kouroux said:
Respect to the German clubs
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I'd hold off before giving them too much credit here, because of the ownership structure in Germany. They probably have to run it by their fans first before publicly committing to the new competition.
 
stevoc said:
Just speculating but I imagine if City are being invited it will only be if they agree to a spend/wage cap not exceeding the big clubs involved.
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With the money involved, I doubt thats needed. They arent going to bid 400m for a player, and if they do then happy days to the selling club
 
I wonder if the news at 9.30 will be watered down after the backlash? Or are they going all in ‘feck you see you in court!’ style, it’s intriguing to say the least.
 
Total disaster. The closed shop franchise system, around which team sports in NA are organised, just cuts right across how international football works. The damage will be enormous. And with UEFA fighting back and banning SL players from all tournaments, it will feck up international football too.

The worst of it is it takes clubs with a century of tradition right out of their own history and that context. Every individual and team record, every comparable from club history will just be so much dust. It will hugely diminish football. Sure it's fun to play Real Madrid, but as long as we can do that once every few years in the CL that's fine. I for one would rather see United play Southampton and Brighton twice a year than Bayern and PSG.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Their league hasn't been invaded by oligarchs tbf.
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& they win the league almost every year & all the best players want to go there over Dortmund, of course they don't want to join the ESL, they got it easy in the Bundesliga
 
Playing the likes of RM, Barca, etc... every week devalues the prestige of draws or ties that come when you get into the higher stages of European competitions. It would never last, especially if the included teams were also allowed to play in their domestic leagues and cups at the same time. Players would be run ragged and injuries more frequent. Terrible idea.
 
Mickeza said:
I think it will be purely about positioning it as an alternative to the CL and not being designed to undermine the domestic calendar.
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I'd be happy as it alongside the CL, one week ESL, one week CL
 
Halftrack said:
Feck this arrogant attitude. They've been letting in "shite" teams for all over Europe since back when it was called the European Cup. What changed is that they started letting in teams that didn't win their leagues.
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Exactly, shitty teams from all over Europe that haven't won feck all and never will, they just happened to have a good season or so. You've got teams from Germany and France that haven't won their league competing for the CL, and that's not even mentioning the likes of the Romanian. Latvian, Danish teams etc that aren't even good enough for the Europa, yet they're in the group stage? How is that good to watch? How is that an elite competition?

You've got teams like United, AC Milan, Inter, PSV, Valencia, Roma etc who would add a lot more to that competition than FC Cluj, yet they can't get into the CL because every player wants to play CL football and they had one or two bad seasons and can't get back in and therefore can't get decent players.

It doesn't even help the small teams, they just end up monopolising their leagues because they get a windfall for £5m and that's more than their whole league is worth.

It's utter shite
 
So is this league going to just replace the PL or not?

I feel all our history would be gone then and nothing to build on it.

It would just ruin everything.
 
stevoc said:
Just speculating but I imagine if City are being invited it will only be if they agree to a spend/wage cap not exceeding the big clubs involved.
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There was a leak suggesting that a spending cap would be in place at 55% of revenue earned but I’m not sure how legitimate it is. I think this league is born out of frustration from Barce and Real at clubs like City and PSG throwing around oil money, they’ll be something in place.
 
How are Man City even fecking invited, they’ve won a few league titles, never won a champions league, got about ten fans, what criteria have they met other than having shitloads of money?
 
cyberman said:
With the money involved, I doubt thats needed. They arent going to bid 400m for a player, and if they do then happy days to the selling club
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I think that's the idea yeah, all clubs involved will be extremely rich. Right now clubs like Barca are haemorrhaging money just to try and compete, the idea of this league is surely to try and level the playing field financially somewhat.
 
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