I don't even understand why English clubs would want to get in the Super League, they make so much money from their TV rights, it'd just be FOMO but at the expense of giving up a huge competitive/financial advantage that they've enjoyed for over a decade now.
European Super League
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City just fielded the most expensive team and bench in the history of the game and you come up with this.
And yet City spend more money, it's almost like judging how much a club spends only by how many large fees they pay out is a really stupid barometer.
And you read that shit on here all the time.
City just won the league and spent 100M on a squad player, likely to spend 150M on Kane now. You call that fair game?
United are spending money that they earned, not through daddy pumping oil money at them. If you don't see the difference, you are either deluded or clueless.
But if we look at the top 50 transfers United are in it 5 times, Real 6 times, Chelsea 4 times and City 8 times.
Top 100, United 12, Chelsea 10, City 13, Real 12.
The difference between United vs Chelsea and City, is United have spent from their own self generated income not from a corrupt billionaire spending on his play thing.
Somebody has to break transfer records, it is called inflation.
The problem is not who spend how much, the problem is where the money comes from. Real, United, Juventus, Barça, etc. spend the money they generate (or they incur in astronomical debts that will ruin their future). City, PSG, Chelsea... have spent 10 times the money they generate with a tremendous lack of success for years and it does not matter because they have infinite money.
real madrid (and i'm a barça fan) gets the money from the fact that they have been winning titles for a century, that their fans buy their shirts all over the world, because millions and millions of people want to watch their games, and because adidas and other companies pay them to been advertise/get some rights. Oil clubs don't need historical success, they don't need fans, they don't need the interest of any company, they only need to pump some oil.
come on! Chelsea, the first oil club, was a random club and was bought for 60 million!
I can see it still going through, money talks and no amount of Gary Neville ranting or fans calling protests will stop that.
Point is, the CL isn't fit for purpose for the big clubs. Which is ridiculous frankly.
This gets peddled here so often and even some fans take the bait. What you're not pointing out is that as quiet a few posters pointed below is that the traditional clubs generate their income. There are real world consequences for their mishaps. Just look at City. When Pep first came he bought a new GK, Fullbacks, CBs, you name it. Most of them didn't work out. And what did they do? They bought another batch like they went grocery shopping.
Compare that to United where the club signed 2 CBs in the last 4 years.
Also why don't you mention Arsenal, AC Milan, Barcelona? Just a decade ago all of these clubs were considered European powerhouses, now all of them are skint and some even facing the perspective of going bankrupt. You want to know why? Because they don't have a sugar daddy that can pour billions so that they can stay relevant and competitive.
It's a shame really because right now the PL could have been a battle between United, Leicester, Tottenham, Liverpool and some other team that lost it's place to the sugar daddy clubs(most likely Arsenal).
What fans? I haven’t seen many change their opinions? It is and remains a competition to further the big clubs. It’s an unfair competition which would allow those big clubs to buy from the smaller clubs repeatedly. To then play against each other 6 times a season. What is the point in that for fans?
It's fair to say now we know about the spanish finances, the ESL was only ever a plan to save their asses.
Exactly. And everyone with an ounce of sanity can see it. You bought freely for years and if this is now the outcome then you should have to deal with that for whatever time it takes to get back in your feet. Fairly. Otherwise it makes a mockery of other teams being relegated etc for financial reasonsEeh. The small and medium clubs would need this more but they're not included
Italian clubs kind of need it though yeah. Spanish clubs...well. When Florentino says the situation is really bad and we need the SL to survive, what he really means is we need the SL so real madrid can remain the financial top dog of the sport forevermore
True but I also see some Bayern Fans turning to ESL because of the mass spending of Oil clubs and EPL.
I absolutely hate the Idea but the gap between top clubs and the rest is becoming alarming
Fit for what purpose though? They don’t get enough exposure or cash?
All they've got to do is change the name and wait for the environment to change a bit, which it might well do if City spend 250m+ this summer. In all but name there is already a super league out there. This is just an attempt to formalise it and put some rules in place.
If they change it so its not a closed shop it could work because we all know FIFA and UEFA are doing a terrible job as custodians of the sport.
Yeah, with the financial dominance of the Prem and Paris, this will happen soon. As soon as City and PSG were allowed to make a mockery of the sport; this was inevitable.
It’s not going to work. It’s already tainted beyond repair in England and there isn’t enough rebranding that can be done to fix that.
Villa fans and the like were set to protest the Super League. Teams that haven’t a chance of getting in. There isnt a carrot that can be thrown that overcomes the argument that a massive cash injection kills the competitiveness of the EPL and the idea that nobody will really care about winning the league anymore
Villa fans and the like were set to protest the Super League. Teams that haven’t a chance of getting in. There isnt a carrot that can be thrown that overcomes the argument that a massive cash injection kills the competitiveness of the EPL and the idea that nobody will really care about winning the league anymore
So what you mean is that English clubs will pay a colossal fine for leaving the Super League, and that that is preferred to an alternative agreement that gets all parties closer?
Yeah 100%.
I highly doubt the fine is legally enforceable but what you say is correct. Throw enough money at the PL - have a clear pathway for any club to enter it - ensure the payments flow throughout the pyramid - and they’ll vote it through. It’ll just replace the CL.
Why? It's JP Morgan we talk about, they don't get rich by signing contracts that are not legally enforceable.
Also, if I was a fan of Villa, Newcastle, Sunderland etc, I think I’d actually want this model.
the top six teams who will win every prem for the rest of time feck off to a ESL. That’s where the mega money goes. Keep the FA Cup and League Cup (these would become much more interesting with the ESL clubs in) and then have an actual decent league system where anyone can win.
If I was a supporter of a smaller club I’d love to see City, United and Chelsea feck off from the league.
I know that’s not what was suggested, but I think it‘s be great for the rest of the league.
the top six teams who will win every prem for the rest of time feck off to a ESL. That’s where the mega money goes. Keep the FA Cup and League Cup (these would become much more interesting with the ESL clubs in) and then have an actual decent league system where anyone can win.
If I was a supporter of a smaller club I’d love to see City, United and Chelsea feck off from the league.
I know that’s not what was suggested, but I think it‘s be great for the rest of the league.
Jaysus
I agree. Feels like United are the only club that can still compete with the Oil and Oligarch money while operating on their own profits, but for how long? We are already deep in debt.
This will happen as the big traditional clubs are fighting for relevance and borderline survival.
Because even to my untrained eye the ESL never actually formed. What got announced was an intention to form. It doesn’t exist. There’s no way the EPL clubs signed a contract they had to pay hundreds of millions to get out of without seeing public reaction first despite what Mr Perez may say. And JP Morgan distanced themselves from it haven’t they? They’ve condemned it. The ESL only currently exists with 3 clubs, everyone else has backed away.
its true.
We pretend that this league now is fairer than the ESL but of course it isn’t. Are Newcastle/Stoke/Notts Forest ever gonna win a league again? Not unless they’re owned by another despicable regime.
How can you be that sure, what do you base this on? Are you saying that when the media speaks about such contract it is nothing but a huge myth?
I think it will be like the CL but with fewer Teams.
This League won't allow Teams like Ajax , Benfica or Zagreb or some Russian Teams to join. They want to spread the money across the Teams who brings money and the Teams are located in Germany Spain Italy France and most of all in England.
This League won't allow Teams like Ajax , Benfica or Zagreb or some Russian Teams to join. They want to spread the money across the Teams who brings money and the Teams are located in Germany Spain Italy France and most of all in England.
United have spend a nearly identical amount in the last ten years. City chose to spend it on replacements for (expensive) mistakes, United chose to spend it on record breaking sums for Pogba, Lukaku, Maguire and on astronomical wages for Sanchez, De Gea and others.
Are you seriously suggesting AC Milan, Barcelona and the likes are in trouble because of the "oil clubs"? That is just ridiculous.
Milan were in downfall before City and PSG were even taken over. The reason? Their billionaire owner stopped investing. Talk about irony.
Tell me exactly how Leicester have fairly generated their income?
And that shouldn't be a fair battle, by the way, since United can easily outspend all the clubs you mention. It's only because they are run so poorly that it would be competitive. Before Abramovich, the PL was pretty damn predictable, and it was on its way to becoming exactly like the Bundesliga now.
Lastly, I do have a problem with where the oil clubs money is coming from. I just think it's ludicrous to claim they've "ruined" football. That process has been going on for far longer and the idea that the likes of Real Madrid and Juve are somehow the good guys is just absurd.
While I agree there are at least two teams who will never have to deal with that reality.
So making that gap even bigger is the solution?
Seriously as long as you have to qualify for it as you have to for CL & EL I have no problem with the UEFA shitbags not getting a piece of the pie. But I can't quite see the driving forces behind this completely giving up on giving the big name teams a certain advantage. But if this is completely fair and the money is shared fairly between all participating teams, I don't see a reason why fecking UEFA should be involved.
Why not have a ESL with relegation and promotion? Would mean more games, but.. I don't know what else could be done. I won't lie, I like the idea of competing with the best teams in a league format.
It would just mean more midweek games for the ESL teams.
So, $$$$ for more games??
It would just mean more midweek games for the ESL teams.
So, $$$$ for more games??
Let me guess: the founding clubs will be safe, but there will always be 3-5 teams fighting to stay. So even if one of these smaller clubs manage to outperform one of the founding clubs, they may still get relegated instead of that founding club.
They'll probably also throw in a caveat for the small clubs with some bullshit like "if you survive 5 seasons in a row, you too will be able to stay indefinitely".
Yes.
Football itself now is gone. There are realistically four/five clubs who can win the league. The rest might need a miracle or a massive investment from one of the 100 richest people on the planet,
I agree re city and Chelsea but it doesn’t mean we just let madrid and Barca off the hook for their own failures over many years. Madrid didn’t give a bollock about anyone else, using their media mouthpieces to unsettle everyone’s players. Why should we give a bollock about them? Let them go back to basics, generate and save like most other teams on the planet.
as for oil money well it needs to be talked about with regards to carefully monitoring their spending etc. I don’t know, don’t have the answer . Giving them more money in a SL isn’t the answer.
oh even with their 100m player they still got beaten yesterday
They have ruined football. They will dominate and can not be caught. It has accelerated in the last five years and will become an inevitability.
Man City and Chelsea are the reason that Arsenal are no longer a massive club. They are the reason Villa will never finish above 6th. They are the reason Tottenham never truly established themselves as a genuine title challenger.
Sometimes we need to say no for the sake of football
There will never be an agreement. It’s not the fans who will pay an fine and the fans of West Ham etc won’t give a feck what anybody pays if they have to at all.
In the end we have to remember and the English clubs need to remember Barca, Madrid, Juventus need us more than we need them. The PL is doimg just fine as it is financially.
From a perspective of looking out for your own club, let Barca, Madrid, Juventus have some slow rebuilding years. Just increases the chances for PL clubs to win the CL and Europa League.
From a perspective of looking out for your own club, let Barca, Madrid, Juventus have some slow rebuilding years. Just increases the chances for PL clubs to win the CL and Europa League.