European Super League

[stevoc]

If they want it to be successful, the reins need to be taken off Madrid and Barca - as they've destroyed La Liga for their own benefit and now want to jump ship because they've mismanaged their own finances. It what world are these two teams qualified to be founders of a new competition.

What do you mean they want to jump ship?

 

[WeePat]

Summary:

• the Flint consulting agency have first-class contacts with parliamentarians and authorities. Their specialty is discreetly »paving the way« for difficult projects.
• This summer, the company with offices in Brussels and London applied for a particularly delicate contract: They are supposed to unhinge international professional football. The football clubs Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and Juventus Turin want to found a European Super League. Yes still.
• Pérez and his people really want to push through the Super League. And the Flint agency wants to help them with that. They have designed a strategy how the league could still be successful against all odds.
• Spiegel had access to the agency's first draft. The paper has ten pages and is entitled "Preparing the way for the Super League: the strategy for reconstruction, reset - and victory".
• Flint promises to launch a campaign that will be "bulletproof" against attacks of all Super League opponents
• The legal experts from Flint see chances of a victory in front of the European Court of Justice, which would then legitimize the Super League by the highest court. But just winning in court, without conquering the "hearts and minds" of fans and opinion leaders, will not be enough, according to Flint
• The company plans to reverse the negative image of the Super League. With »discreet events« and »briefings for selected politicians, EU bureaucrats and journalists«. The aim is to take away the worries of decision-makers.
• Flint lists important persons who should be influenced: the people of Commission Vice-President Margaritis Schinas, EU parliamentarians with a connection to football like Tomasz Frankowski, media people like EU correspondents of the Financial Times and the FAZ
• Flint experts point out in their paper that it makes no sense to try again with a league that opposes this principle of European football (pro/rel, open to all). Fans and politics would run into storm again.
• the flagship product should be the Super League, there could also be a Super League 2 as a compromise. Promotion and relegation should be possible between these leagues.
• the agency confirmed to SPIEGEL that it had received the Super League mandate from the clubs.

Interesting.

 

[Lynty]

What do you mean they want to jump ship?

Well not quite literally leaving the league, but effectively they'd be devaluing La Liga (based on previous proposals) for a guaranteed/inflated income stream from the Super League. Once a better income stream is secured, they'll mentally check out.

Instead, they could stay and help rebuild La Liga's popularity.

 

[sun_tzu]

UEFA Just need to ban Juventus , Barcelona and Real Madrid

Didn't a court ruling specifically ban them from doing that - or issuing fines
so seems unlikely

 

[The Firestarter]

discrete events == envelopes

 

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[::sonny::]

 

[Devil_forever]

I hate UEFA far more than I hate any of those clubs. UEFA instead of reforming itself after the whole super league debacle, they've decided to maintain the status quo. This is why I wish that the other super league clubs hadn't given up so fast and used the threat of the super league as leverage to properly reform UEFA.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

I hate UEFA far more than I hate any of those clubs. UEFA instead of reforming itself after the whole super league debacle, they've decided to maintain the status quo. This is why I wish that the other super league clubs hadn't given up so fast and used the threat of the super league as leverage to properly reform UEFA.

It wad very clear that football fans wanted to keep the status quo. And who could blame Uefa for having this attitude when the super league clubs wanted to destroy Uefa

 

[iammemphis]

 

[Devil_forever]

Madrid, Barca and Juve were right then when they said that UEFA didn't have a foot to stand on when it came to opposing the Super League

 

[::sonny::]

It’s on

 

[::sonny::]

 

[4bars]

The 3 clubs that didn't abandoned the idea now say that they would organize a super league with no fix members and open to anyone.

Would that be acceptable and/or appealing? Would you think that the fans would cause such a stir if that would be done from the beginning?

https://sportsfinding.com/a-super-league-without-privileges/113171/

 

[saivet]

The 3 clubs that didn't abandoned the idea now say that they would organize a super league with no fix members and open to anyone.

Would that be acceptable and/or appealing? Would you think that the fans would cause such a stir if that would be done from the beginning?

https://sportsfinding.com/a-super-league-without-privileges/113171/

Not really. It doesn't sound any more interesting than the CL. Not clear on the qualification either. Waste of time imo.

 

[4bars]

Not really. It doesn't sound any more interesting than the CL. Not clear on the qualification either. Waste of time imo.

Well, it sounds interesting than UEFA FIFA not being part of the business as they bring nothing to the table

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Well, it sounds interesting than UEFA FIFA not being part of the business as they bring nothing to the table

They take a fair chunk ( ~ 25%) of the broadcasting rights, but in return they also provide a moderating influence in favour of smaller clubs and federations. Under the current format, each club that reach the groupstage is guaranteed 15m Euro, and gate receipt for the 3 home matches+ more money for winning/drawing matches. That's a significant chunk of the annual budget for clubs not in the top 4 FAs (or even some already in them). And then with their ~ 800m cut, UEFA execs will pocket the lion share of that, but some will also go into developmental projects that benefit football on the continent.

Now with this Super League, assuming that they get the same money for broadcasting rights (which I suspect wouldnt be the case, as they will demand more money since in theory there are no 'boring' matches), and with only 20 teams participating, you are talking about ~ 200m cut per club if equitably divided, annually. For context, that's double the money Chelsea got as Champions last year, and that amount of money will essentially ensure that the 20 clubs who participate in the inaugural season will keep their place for the foreseeable future, with that competitive advantage over their domestic opponents, bar disastrous mismanagement or state funded clubs upsetting the balance. It would create a new football oligarchy that is ten times worse than the current Champions League.

 

[saivet]

Well, it sounds interesting than UEFA FIFA not being part of the business as they bring nothing to the table

But what is the Super League bringing apart from more money in the pockets for clubs? The initial proposal was ridiculous but it was at least different, this just sounds like a plan to boot out UEFA in order to fill their pockets rather than bringing anything to the table. They were saying that football is dying, if football is dying who does this help?

 

[Born2Lose]

We'll never know but would have been interesting to see if the Saudi's had bought Newcastle if the ESL had gone through.

 

[4bars]

They take a fair chunk ( ~ 25%) of the broadcasting rights, but in return they also provide a moderating influence in favour of smaller clubs and federations. Under the current format, each club that reach the groupstage is guaranteed 15m Euro, and gate receipt for the 3 home matches+ more money for winning/drawing matches. That's a significant chunk of the annual budget for clubs not in the top 4 FAs (or even some already in them). And then with their ~ 800m cut, UEFA execs will pocket the lion share of that, but some will also go into developmental projects that benefit football on the continent.

Now with this Super League, assuming that they get the same money for broadcasting rights (which I suspect wouldnt be the case, as they will demand more money since in theory there are no 'boring' matches), and with only 20 teams participating, you are talking about ~ 200m cut per club if equitably divided, annually. For context, that's double the money Chelsea got as Champions last year, and that amount of money will essentially ensure that the 20 clubs who participate in the inaugural season will keep their place for the foreseeable future, with that competitive advantage over their domestic opponents, bar disastrous mismanagement or state funded clubs upsetting the balance. It would create a new football oligarchy that is ten times worse than the current Champions League.

I get what I mean, yes. Open to everyone would not be enough. It would need to be followed by a redistribution of the money to the less rich clubs. Lets say of those extra ( lets say 2000 of the extra that you assumed, plus 500 more of the UEFA) 50% is redistributed to the ones below, maybe? As much as the top clubs will earn much more, what they will do with the extra money? get the best players that they already have? Best technicians and technology that already have? While the ones below could invest in infrastructure that they will never have.

If you say that the UEFA adds that the only extra value of protecting the smaller clubs and federations in exchange of filling so much their pockets, I rather prefer that they are cut off. But it should go with an agreement that money would be redistributedly fairly. Also FIFA and UEFA would have no power on for example to do a world cup each 2 years or a world cup in Qatar in winter

I would never support a ESL with the initial conditions. A closed league would be the death of national and regional football, but I despite UEFA/FIFA and if the ESL would morph to something acceptable cutting them out, would be better. Even the current format without them with the same distribution

 

[::sonny::]

We'll never know but would have been interesting to see if the Saudi's had bought Newcastle if the ESL had gone through.

Would be interesting if Newcastle can’t join this hypothetical super league

 

[BlackShark_80]

New Super League Plans would involve the original top tier 'Super League' of 20 teams, with two 20-team feeder leagues immediately sitting below it. Then, there will a third tier involving four more leagues of 20 teams. That means an astonishing total of 140 clubs would be included.

 

[Cloud7]

I get what I mean, yes. Open to everyone would not be enough. It would need to be followed by a redistribution of the money to the less rich clubs. Lets say of those extra ( lets say 2000 of the extra that you assumed, plus 500 more of the UEFA) 50% is redistributed to the ones below, maybe? As much as the top clubs will earn much more, what they will do with the extra money? get the best players that they already have? Best technicians and technology that already have? While the ones below could invest in infrastructure that they will never have.

If you say that the UEFA adds that the only extra value of protecting the smaller clubs and federations in exchange of filling so much their pockets, I rather prefer that they are cut off. But it should go with an agreement that money would be redistributedly fairly. Also FIFA and UEFA would have no power on for example to do a world cup each 2 years or a world cup in Qatar in winter

I would never support a ESL with the initial conditions. A closed league would be the death of national and regional football, but I despite UEFA/FIFA and if the ESL would morph to something acceptable cutting them out, would be better. Even the current format without them with the same distribution

Perez, Woody, Kroenke and friends will have absolutely no intentions of distributing money fairly to benefit smaller clubs. This whole ESL scheme is about making more money for them.

 

[4bars]

Perez, Woody, Kroenke and friends will have absolutely no intentions of distributing money fairly to benefit smaller clubs. This whole ESL scheme is about making more money for them.

I agree. thats why the ESL started how it did, closed. But if they ever want to succeed with a ESL, they will need to include this money distribution or will never happen

 

[Hugh Jass]

The Champions League will have to let more English teams in to the CL. You have us, Pool, City, Chelsea and now Newcastle. Then you have Spurs and Arsenal as well.

 

[redshaw]

Uefa might have to include certain teams on some pedigree basis. Expanding just places across the board means taking a lot from Europa and thus this new conference.

 

[Sviken]

This is all down to UEFA and allowing nation states to buy clubs at whim. Can't say I'd feel sad when this organization is told to get fecked. Nevertheless, I'm not happy about the Super League. Fans lose either way, but UEFA did this to themselves and maybe this thing will salvage something of the sport, no matter how little.

 

[BlackShark_80]

 

[BlackShark_80]

 

[BlackShark_80]

 

[BlackShark_80]

 

[GatoLoco]

Why does he speak using "will" instead of "would"?

 

[redshaw]

Is it getting bad in Spain?

Barcelona had just 37k at the Nou Camp recently. Sure they've slipped down a bit but they've had a huge amount of success in recent times, United haven't won a major trophy since 2013, been in the lower half of the league and finished out the top 4 half the time yet still fill OT. Every time I catch a bit of a La Liga match the stadiums are half empty.

 

[pascell]

Is it getting bad in Spain?

Barcelona had just 37k at the Nou Camp recently. Sure they've slipped down a bit but they've had a huge amount of success in recent times, United haven't won a major trophy since 2013, been in the lower half of the league and finished out the top 4 half the time yet still fill OT. Every time I catch a bit of a La Liga match the stadiums are half empty.

Is that not due to restrictions because of covid?

 

[TheLiverBird]

Is it getting bad in Spain?

Barcelona had just 37k at the Nou Camp recently. Sure they've slipped down a bit but they've had a huge amount of success in recent times, United haven't won a major trophy since 2013, been in the lower half of the league and finished out the top 4 half the time yet still fill OT. Every time I catch a bit of a La Liga match the stadiums are half empty.

Fans of the Spanish giants are an odd bunch though.

 

[MongeySpangle]

The delusion and elitism of this man never ceases to amaze me. A complete narcissist.

 

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[Idxomer]

Perez is right.

 

[vanrooney]

perez is 100% right - uefa is a shithole. super league with sensefull ffp rules and no sugar daddys would be great. just open it for the football pyramid and feck the cl

 

[GhastlyHun]

Drain the Swamp! -Florentino Perez

Would be just as credible a slogan as it was with Trump.