European Super League

[Beans]

There is no worse option for English sides. This league will become the super league in all but name within 3 years IMO.

That's a fair point, the EPL is getting so big, Arsenal used to coast into the top 4 with teams the top clubs often dominated. They still have a very expensive roster and is only good for 8th! 5 more years in this direction and the EPL will be a Super League!

But United can have both, play a revamped CL/SL and stay in the EPL.

 

[mav_9me]

Is there a benefit to all this oil money as it comes into the game, gives money to for ex Villa who then give it to Norwich and Bayer etc? Or is my thinking wrong?

 

[R'hllor]

Imagine thinking big football clubs are good guys and they trying to stop these evil few, now thats funny.

 

[dinostar77]

PL rules have been changed so a ESL would have to happen without PL cubs. Its a awful idea that no one wants. Besides we have a super league in the new CL format from 2024 onwards.

 

[FCBarcelona]

The hypocrisy of both clubs is astounding. Back in late 90s-early00s when you had clubs like Deportivo and Valencia who were both still competitive in La Liga and Europe, the big 2 negotiated the new La Liga TV deal which would make them earn over 100m €(50% of the pie) each season while the rest of the clubs would get scraps. Meaning from 2001/02 till 2015-16 each of the clubs pocketed in over 1.5billion€
Karma is a bitch

@FCBarcelona

I'm going to answer because I've been cited. I'm not surprised you know nothing about this theme and that you prefer to blindly blame Barça/Real.

In the 90's (even in the first years of the XXI century), TV and merchandising money wasn't as important as it is right now, it explains by itself some differences... and...
- 1995: Bosman Law. Until that year, teams were able to easily keep their main players because of this limitations. This is the main reasons why you don't see anymore surprises from countries like Romania.
- 1996-97: Digital TV expansion. Sport rights were the main objective of them. The "1st World of (spanish) football" took place. These companies started to bid up for LaLiga rights. Teams like Valencia, Deportivo, Sevilla, etc. were the main interested in individual negotiations because they though they could get more money... and they did. TV rights increased 500% in that season, you hear that right, 500% increase. Teams overspended and "La Liga de las estrellas" ("the league of the stars" was born). For a few years Deportivo, Valencia, etc. were able to spend a lot of money and they had good results in Spain and Europe.
- Early 2000's: these companies were losing money and the new TV rights deal was worse... but every team kept negotiating by themselves because it is what medium teams wanted a few years ago. Barça and Real still had interest, fans and money and they thrived. Deportivo almost went bankrupt, like Valencia and many others. In the late 90's and early 2000's tons of teams disappeared/were relegated because of their financials were unsustainable without the TV money.
- 2015: rights were finally sold in a package.

So yeah... karma is a bitch that brought Deportivo to the Third Division because they wanted to negotiate their rights alone.

 

[Powderfinger]

Even with the massively fecked up rollout, this will happen eventually and the oil clubs are just speeding the process by spending everybody onto the ground.

Sentiment in Spain and Italy has rapidly turned pro-Super League. Germany won’t be that far behind once Bayern supporters eventually figure out that they can’t compete with PSG, City, and Chelsea anymore.

It’s also ultimately a good deal for English clubs like Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, and maybe United. Once they figure out a way to sell it to supporters as an alternative to a status quo in which only oligarchs and sport washing dictatorships can win, they’ll come on board too. Even if all English clubs collectively resist, if the top clubs in all the other leagues except PSG do form a new league, the English clubs will quickly cave and join. The alternative is just competing among themselves in “European” competition and that’s a joke.

There’s just no future in a model dominated by oil clubs that don’t even have big loyal supporter bases. Eventually people will get fed up and then the politicians will support change as well.

 

[devilo]

Just read Balague's article on the BBC about Messi - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58157038

In it he mentions Joan Laporta being spotted in a Barcelona restaurant along with Florentino Perez and Andrea Agnelli. Given that neither RM or FCB seem willing to vote in favour of the CVC investment into La Liga, it looks very much like they're still intent on pursuing the ESL regardless. Not sure how they anticipate getting anywhere without Premier League club involvement, buy they're clearly still plotting something.

 

[tenpoless]

If the ESL was designed by clubs to get more money in order to compete with oil clubs. Then those oil clubs participating in ESL would also give them money.

 

[Flytan]

Warming to the idea of it. Obviously plenty of problems how they announced it and a lot of issues with how it was going to work but I don't see a future without it. Psg, city, and Chelsea are ruining the sport and something drastic has to change. People can stick to the status quo because of culture but I think the quicker people accept the idea of a super league (with loads of changes) the better it will be for the future. City and psg specifically aren't being held accountable.. Uefa and fifa won't do it. Someone has to

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Warming to the idea of it. Obviously plenty of problems how they announced it and a lot of issues with how it was going to work but I don't see a future without it. Psg, city, and Chelsea are ruining the sport and something drastic has to change. People can stick to the status quo because of culture but I think the quicker people accept the idea of a super league (with loads of changes) the better it will be for the future. City and psg specifically aren't being held accountable.. Uefa and fifa won't do it. Someone has to

If it was to counter the oil spending, why would they invite city in? City will just be richer still and ruin football more.

Any competition involving Man City loses it's prestige. Every time they carve their name on the PL Trophy, it becomes less desirable.

 

[Flytan]

If it was to counter the oil spending, why would they invite city in? City will just be richer still and ruin football more.

Any competition involving Man City loses it's prestige. Every time they carve their name on the PL Trophy, it becomes less desirable.

Because you can admit some defeat in that the oil clubs are actually successful clubs and valuable members of said ESL but also have the ESL have rules which would limit their spending to other members in the league.

 

[Arios]

Because you can admit some defeat in that the oil clubs are actually successful clubs and valuable members of said ESL but also have the ESL have rules which would limit their spending to other members in the league.

or because to join you had to agree to certain rules which prevent clubs from losing money.
Bit like NBA. So something like Salary cap , transfers regulations of players between the teams, ESL buying players from outside the league and handle them bit like NBA (again you know rookies?)
That was behind the SL.
Italian and spanish clubs need it.
English can stay on their crazy tv money but none else can.

 

[GifLord]

or because to join you had to agree to certain rules which prevent clubs from losing money.
Bit like NBA. So something like Salary cap , transfers regulations of players between the teams, ESL buying players from outside the league and handle them bit like NBA (again you know rookies?)
That was behind the SL.
Italian and spanish clubs need it.
English can stay on their crazy tv money but none else can.

You mean Top Spanish and Italian clubs

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I think the Messi and Kane deals are really helping fans get onboard with the ESL. My guess is we will have it with in the next 5 years.

 

[Kentonio]

Not happening. They had their shot and blew it spectacularly. Barca/Real can wish for whatever they want, but the idea is dead in the water for the foreseeable future.

 

[R'hllor]

or because to join you had to agree to certain rules which prevent clubs from losing money.
Bit like NBA. So something like Salary cap , transfers regulations of players between the teams, ESL buying players from outside the league and handle them bit like NBA (again you know rookies?)
That was behind the SL.
Italian and spanish clubs need it.
English can stay on their crazy tv money but none else can.

Wonder why.

 

[Hulksmash]

Let's wait till end of the Transfer Window and then I make an assement.

 

[giorno]

You mean Top Spanish and Italian clubs

Eeh. The small and medium clubs would need this more but they're not included

Italian clubs kind of need it though yeah. Spanish clubs...well. When Florentino says the situation is really bad and we need the SL to survive, what he really means is we need the SL so real madrid can remain the financial top dog of the sport forevermore

 

[Ixion]

I think the Messi and Kane deals are really helping fans get onboard with the ESL. My guess is we will have it with in the next 5 years.

Helping how?

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Helping how?

It is showing the fans of the big clubs that the ESL with defined rules is the only way to get on level terms with the oil clubs. UEFA, FIFA and PL are not going to do anything about it.

 

[Withnail]

It is showing the fans of the big clubs that the ESL with defined rules is the only way to get on level terms with the oil clubs. UEFA, FIFA and PL are not going to do anything about it.

Messi's on a free and there is no Kane deal.

 

[LoneStar]

Is there a benefit to all this oil money as it comes into the game, gives money to for ex Villa who then give it to Norwich and Bayer etc? Or is my thinking wrong?

Not really. Transfer fees are increasing like crazy, and this trend started with the oil clubs - Chelsea initially, PSG with Neymar, City etc. It's literally sending clubs like Barca to bankruptcy (well, it's one reason among many for Barca). More clubs could go bankrupt of this keeps spiraling.

 

[Lebo]

I think the Messi and Kane deals are really helping fans get onboard with the ESL. My guess is we will have it with in the next 5 years.

that’s nothing compared to Madrid signing Kaka, Ronaldo, Alonso, Benzema, R. Albiol in 1 transfer window. For some perspective, those players were from their direct competitors in the champions league.

 

[dinostar77]

The day Barcelona announced Messi was leaving, Lapprta was pictured in a Madrid restaurant with Perez and Agnelli. No doubt discussing the ESL.

 

[pratyush_utd]

 

[dinostar77]

I thought PL put in new rules to stop PL clubs joining?

 

[Tyrion]

I think the Messi and Kane deals are really helping fans get onboard with the ESL. My guess is we will have it with in the next 5 years.

I think it is inevitable. The status quo is fcuked.

 

[Crustanoid]

I think it is inevitable. The status quo is fcuked.

Yep, none of the fans of the real football clubs wanted it but the plastic clubs have fvcked football up so badly that it’s pretty much inevitable. A symptom of their recklessness. Nice one, plastics

 

[Tyrion]

That's not true imo.

The super league is inevitable but Perez et al are too incompetent to get it done right now.

 

[Botim]

Not really. Transfer fees are increasing like crazy, and this trend started with the oil clubs - Chelsea initially, PSG with Neymar, City etc. It's literally sending clubs like Barca to bankruptcy (well, it's one reason among many for Barca). More clubs could go bankrupt of this keeps spiraling.

This is such laughable nonsense. So Real Madrid can break the transfer record twice in a few years time, but if one of the "new" guys tries to match them, they're ruining football forever?

Also, United are in the top20 most expensive transfer list 4 times, Real 3 times. Both Chelsea and City just once.

The Super League is nothing but an attempt to build an everlasting monopoly at the expense of everyone who's not part of the "elite".

 

[Tyrion]

Yep, none of the fans of the real football clubs wanted it but the plastic clubs have fvcked football up so badly that it’s pretty much inevitable. A symptom of their recklessness. Nice one, plastics

You're probably right. Them, Bayern and Juve have turned many of the top leagues into walkovers and football is so expensive now it's unsustainable. Ten years from now when we've had about 8 different clubs winning five of the top leagues for a decade, the ESL will be a lot more attractive.

 

[Paxi]

It’s not going to happen. English clubs will need to convince the fans first and that’s going to be pretty much impossible.

 

[BorisDeLeFora]

It’s not going to happen. English clubs will need to convince the fans first and that’s going to be pretty much impossible.

All they have to do is get the TV fans on board surely, plenty of people willing to travel to Old Trafford or Anfield, beef up security and off they go.

 

[Paxi]

All they have to do is get the TV fans on board surely, plenty of people willing to travel to Old Trafford or Anfield, beef up security and off they go.

Nah that won’t cut it. People will literally riot. They’ve already made that mistake with ‘legacy fans’ and it would be a monumental mistake to try it again. They’d need support from the match going fans which they won’t get.

 

[Offside]

Not this shit again it’s going to happen eventually

 

[R'hllor]

Its gonna happen if fans allow it, because you cant count on customers, thats for sure, they gonna eat up any decent prepared shit by clubs.

 

[Sayros]

This is such laughable nonsense. So Real Madrid can break the transfer record twice in a few years time, but if one of the "new" guys tries to match them, they're ruining football forever?

Also, United are in the top20 most expensive transfer list 4 times, Real 3 times. Both Chelsea and City just once.

The Super League is nothing but an attempt to build an everlasting monopoly at the expense of everyone who's not part of the "elite".

This.

 

[passing-wind]

As long as its competitive with promotion and restrictions / demotions its not a bad idea. The issue presently in the sport is the governing bodies / authorities are inept UEFA, FIFA, FA the lot do not feasibly manage the sport effectively.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I thought PL put in new rules to stop PL clubs joining?

I think they just have to pay a hefty fine now.

It’s not going to happen. English clubs will need to convince the fans first and that’s going to be pretty much impossible.

Fans in the UK don’t really have any power for the clubs in contention as sad as that sounds. Bar the nuisance we can cause regarding delaying kick offs and protesting - a fraction of the revenue of all these big clubs comes from us.

Let’s say it is announced again, there’ll be protests but really how long for? Fans won’t turn up and blockade stadiums indefinitely and it’s not like there won’t be many alternative stadiums: they’ll probably do a world tour or something ghastly like that for inaugural ESL…United v Real in Beijing, Chelsea v Barca in NY, Juve v Pool in Sydney etc.

 

[Crustanoid]

Ultimately the only way to stop this happening is by reigning in the plastic oil clubs and reversing their corruption of football. If they carry on on their present trajectory there is only one way this is heading- you’ll see a super league within a few years.