What financial fine did we get? It's mentioned on the BBC but not stated what it is.
European Super League
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£1.48m plus 5% of our CL revenues next time we compete in the competition.
Think the latter is from 2023 so personally I can see it being removed before then if we’re all good boys and don’t plot any future insurrection.
From what I have read (source: twitter) they consider that if they go to the courts of the European Union they will win. Apparently something similar happened with the skating federation, although for times they can surely be sanctioned before any resolution
That's interesting. What is it they want to achieve though in the longer term do you think?
Strict financial fair play. Possibility of retransmission on other platforms and ultimately the super league system, even including relegation.
Infantino is not so open to sanctioning clubs so maybe there we have an ally, but the truth is I don't know. It seems impossible that they did not know that this type of reaction was going happen.
They can only win in Spanish Courts.
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Madrid court is nothing, zero, the nullity
This ruling should be adopted by every professional football league in Europe, ensuring that it never happens again.
Why don't those 3 clubs just leave football leagues and start new league where they can play between eachother every day until the end of time?
It is okey.
UEFA and FIFA needs to act strongly against this. Those 3 teams are not representing whole football world. Just because they have economic problems, selfinflicted, doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. Nobody pressured them buying and giving astronomical wages to players.
It is okey.
UEFA and FIFA needs to act strongly against this. Those 3 teams are not representing whole football world. Just because they have economic problems, selfinflicted, doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. Nobody pressured them buying and giving astronomical wages to players.
Because you are Real Madrid fan, I have a question.
You said, strict financial fair play. I agree there need to be economic system in place. Like wage limit and so on. I just wonder, if we are talking about fair play and equality, do Barcelona and Real Madrid want to think about fair play when it comes to TV rights in spanish league?
To be honest I'm not sure about the conditions of the tv rights share. I think is already based on league rankings among other things, but in any case, I think the problem is that the contract itself is low.
Besides, as has been said several times, the fans in Spain are different. I support Madrid, not la liga product.
We can bring equality, let´s pay according to the audience, proportionally.
For example, Levante-Cádiz had an audience in Spain of 75,000 viewers (and surely minimal outside of Spain).
When the super league appeared, some of those clubs came with a shirt saying "win it on the field" and some thought that the response from the big clubs should be "don't take advantage of what I generate."
Who has to sign stars and accumulate debt for 900 million are Madrid and Barcelona.
It could be improved, but I think that with having a couple of more dedicated foreign owners we would be fine.(Peter Lim for example or the owner of Espanyol, now in segunda)
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Would Barcelona and Real Madrid share some of money to clubs like Granada or Betis? For the sake of equality? For the sake of football best? Do you think that Perez have ever thought about it? I don't. It seams to me that when its own dominance are under treath, teams complain. Football is not just about biggest teams. 18 LaLiga teams will be just fine without Barcelona and Real Madrid if it comes to that. But would those two clubs be fine without LaLiga? I doubt.
The bold one is not equality. Some kind, but not in the whole picture. Equality is when everybody is playing on the same field having exaclty same resources. What you write is how football works now. Demand and supply. If you want economic equality, start with wage structure and transfer structure. Say for example, every club can give 100m on transfers every year. Or every teams wage budget must be under 1m per week. Those kind of equality. Would Real Madrid and Barcelona be for it?
More than 60 percent of the fans in Spain support Madrid or Barcelona. Deep down, it's what people want.
Not all teams are the same. Big teams have been winning and struggling for years to get to the point where they attract attention.
Equality values have already been broken. First when two teams were allowed to participate and then 4 teams in the maximum continental competition.
We have been with this Champions League system for 30 years and it seems that the solution is to bring more uneven matches.
It's like the other day on twitter. Someone sharing a photo of the Red Star in 1991, saying that the super league will deprive us of those teams, as if there are going to be surprises of that kind.
Those exceptions will not return (as seen in the Champions League teams that qualify year after year) unless someone brings money.
Personally, what do you dislike about the superliga?
People don't want to see Madrid and Barcelona meet eachother 5 times a year. I don't want to see us playing Juventus every year. I rather see us playing Everton or Aston Villa att full stadiums in Premier League then playing AC Milan in a league where the results don't mean anything. Big teams are blaming others instead of themself when it comes to attracting fans. For a start, slash ticket prices with 80% and there wouldn't be any problems people coming to stadiums and attracting people. Pricing out people from football means something else will get its attention.
Football is more then show. It i about way of life.
I dislike the whole project about big teams breaking away to form a Super League only for they own sake so they can get money. It is not about other teams. It is not about equality. They are just thinking about themself and money. Why would they do that when they almost got everything from UEFA. I think "big clubs" need to learn a lesson. Need to come down to earth. And hopefully UEFA can give out punishment. Not that I think UEFA is doing things perfectly. Far from it, but what this Super League would mean is way worse then people understand. For example, why would teams like yours and mine have some kind of "no relegation stamp"? It is beyond everything a competition is about.
Just so you don't think that I am just against Barcelona and Real Madrid. You can read my posts about ManUtds involvement. I would gladly accept severe punishment for my team if they still went with this madness. Even if it meant kicked out from other competitions. I still think we should be punished for even going with this idea.
Marc Overmars said it best(although it seems very obvious). The Super League was only started to save the clubs from poor financial management.
I understand the argument that those games can get boring over time, but the alternative is to see a Manchester Madrid every ten years. Between that and Basaksehir or a team that is going to be beaten easily, I'll take the former.
Matches that are also irrelevant many times.
Today we could bet and hit at least 4 teams from the next quarters.
Without a doubt it is for money and because Madrid do not want to be a figurant in the success of others (and if that is the case, let's see if we can also be a public limited company and become state clubs).
I understand as well what you say about the promotions. Surely it could be fixed (but don't expect Manchester City to be relegated).
In my head we are not going to play any more Champions League games, so I hope they sanction us to accelerate whatever it takes. A triangle with Barcelona or juve or a world tour of friendlies
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What part exactly?
I don't. I think that every team should be given right to compete in the highest league, if you are good enough. Not if you are biggest but if you are good enough. And it looks like that some "SuperLeague" teams are not even good enough for its own league. Juventus or Milan might not even get to CL. Liveprool are at the risk, so is Chelsea and why would you even have Tottenham and Arsenal if it is about best teams. So it isn't even about "best teams". It is about money. It is about power.
Good thing we have a Madrid fan to tell the rest of us fans what we really want. Anyway, protests may suggest otherwise.
I don't seem to relate to the "poor Big teams struggle and suffer too" narrative, but that's just me anyway. I can't generalize it to the rest of the people.
In the last 4 years we did have Rome, Spurs, RB Leipzig, Lyon and Ajax in the final stages. They fell short, but they were there. Just saying.
Your whole post but especially the last part. Do you agree with Madrid’s actions?
Spot on, a blind man and his dog could tell you its about money and power. If it was about anything else the English teams would have stood their ground. They knew they were caught out. Doing it when a pandemic is on too. Absolutely scumbag move
Agree. That is why I say I wouldn't mind punishment for my club for this. UEFA gave us little slap on the wrist with that fine. Lets see what we get from TheFA. The owners made a big misstake with even suggesting that league without discussing it with anyone except eachother.
I meant in la liga, about what we were talking about the tv rights, explaining the composition of the fans.
Fair enough, but the richest are those who win. I also liked football years ago but I don't think It will return.
How will Steaua or Red Star win if there are teams that spend hundreds of millions more than the teams that generate the most in the world.
They will have an acceptable participation and will be eliminated. In a supposed super league 2 they could progress more in my opinion
Yes, I think the champions have to change. I trust the president and the arguments about loss of interest from fans seem reasonable , as well as the financial fair play
Okay, I will bite. If you agree that it has to change, is this really the way? Closed shop and only rich getting richer? Real and Barca earning 50 million more than the rest from the start? Football is in a financial bubble right now, also because Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus started paying obscene wages - Ramsey on 450k per week, Messi on 100 million per year, Bale on 650k per week are just some examples.
You and the rest of Madrid fans are supporting this shite just because you think that you have a god given right to win all the time. As soon as some team overtakes Madrid, there is already unrest. Imagine accepting the consequences for the stupidity of their actions, instead of acting like football was invented by them.
What you are suggesting is to even take away any chance whatsoever for those teams to compete and win against the best? So, question would be what is the purpose of football?
It is like saying to poor people: Oh, you are poor and have minimal chance to buy Ferrari, so let me just take away the little money you have left so that I make sure you don't even have that chance. You just need to accept that because I have more fans on Instagram or Facebook.
Yup, the thing about being a semi closed competition and having as some clubs just because of how marketable they are were one of the main concerns of the fans. To be fair Manchester United has been dross in their own league and in champions league for quite a while, Arsenal and Tottenham were also questionable inclusiones, all while leaving out a club like Leicester was a disrespectful and puts into question how competitive can it really be when the better performing teams are being left out. The german teams were also not on board so this whole Super League thing needs to be rethink all over again. I'm not against the idea of having something like a better version of the Champions League but it requires something more competitive oriented instead of a circle jerk club between the richest clubs in Europe.
I think Champione League can be done better without starting something looking like NHL, NFL, MLB or NBA.
I'm not saying that the competition is perfect, I supported it in the past when it was theories and I also disliked the lack of promotion, and wanted a second division.
In any case they have not adhered to negotiate. They brought politicians to pressure and they have threatened with two years.
Where are the sanctions against City and PSG? It seems that now the football institutions are saints. There is talk of football traditions but simply between the three rebels they have 19 European cups.
Madrid spend because it generates a lot. The government of Spain has not come up with a sponsorship "tourism from Spain" despite the 900 million debt.
What I want is a better and more realistic competition. The most appropriate thing would be to eliminate the previous phase that is unfair for the little leagues or simply that only the champion can participate?
You should look at la liga for that. The suggestion and the entire concept just looks like a shortcut down the drain fooball has been circling in recent years.
Your not going to get a better product playing arsenal, spurs or the weak crap we've been fielding in recent years than you'll get from sevilla and others.
By all accounts let’s talk about revamping the CL but in a fair and exciting way which is inclusive to all. The CL should not be seen as simply another way to feather the pockets of the big clubs. European football was always about testing yourself against teams from all corners of Europe not just the big clubs of Italy, France, Spain and England. Clubs have become arrogant and the sad thing is that the new fans who know nothing more think that’s normal
I absolutely hate the idea of the super league, but when you see where City are and how they have achieved it, I understand the disruption. It’s beyond the pale to have that much money available and that big a squad. It has given them an even bigger advantage in a post-Covid landscape.
There needs to be restrictions, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, otherwise the future of football is very bleak. The bigger clubs need to get their houses in order too and stop being hypocritical. Barcelona and Real Madrid are two of the worst offender of the latter.
If their ultimate aim really is a terrible super league rendering domestic leagues obsolete, no way. But if their aim is for UEFA to properly address financial fair play and introduce proper restrictions in a world that contains state run clubs, I fully support them.
It will inevitably involved them restructuring their own finances and they way they run their own clubs too.
There needs to be restrictions, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, otherwise the future of football is very bleak. The bigger clubs need to get their houses in order too and stop being hypocritical. Barcelona and Real Madrid are two of the worst offender of the latter.
If their ultimate aim really is a terrible super league rendering domestic leagues obsolete, no way. But if their aim is for UEFA to properly address financial fair play and introduce proper restrictions in a world that contains state run clubs, I fully support them.
It will inevitably involved them restructuring their own finances and they way they run their own clubs too.
Everyone wants always something better. But what do you mean by realistic?
Why would you eliminate previous phase? That simply cuts little leagues off if you mean by playy off games before group games. The other about only champions can participate? I can agree to a certain level.
But if I am totaly honest, I rather win Premier League than Champions League. Or if I was Real Madrid fan, I rather win LaLiga then Champions League.
ah no sorry i expressed myself wrong.
I meant with irony that in order to be totally fair, these clubs should not undergo a preliminary phase to participate.
That is to say, deep down the whole system is a bit cynical.
I understand you about the Premier.It seems quite usual for many United fans. For me the European Cup is always special I had a great time reading, writing and watching the games against Chelsea and Liverpool, hence I imagine something like this weekly
I agree. However, if this is to be achieved it needs to be a hard salary cap and not something like FFP which was just a big club carve up. You go for a hard salary cap with a hard transfer fee cap as well, that is applicable to all teams in Europe, then it is fair.
If you go for a new variation of FFP it is like the local bully crying that the new bully in town is bigger than them.
Yeah, something simple and obvious is the way forward. Nothing convoluted. Clear caps with clear punishments for those who infringe them.
Problem with a hard cap is the established big teams would never agree to them as it takes away their advantage.