European Super League
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Careful, you're basically asking for UEFA to become the first Galactic Empire.
The Premier League is one of the countries most successful global exports. You can offset any gains you think these 6 make in this new competition with the nosedive the PL will experience. It is too important a "product" for the country to let it fizzle out. And most of the profit these 6 will make will go into their owners pockets, not the UK economy.
watched it. he really did say that. fair fecks to him. He also questioned how Ajax cannot be in there when they won the european cup 5 times
Not sure where to go with this. On the one hand it's fecking hilarious. And on the other tragic. But if they are forced to pull out and pay some vulture capitalists billions of pounds, then the stated aim of "equaling the playing field" will be achieved I guess.
Do you really think this wasn't consulted by those richest clubs before making a public announcement ? Mute point.
I'm not talking about the sports aspect. I'm talking about the intentions of the government not matching with their political philosophy.
It smells like they either have Party Members/Donors who stand to lose a lot of money if this goes through, or are only getting involved in order to maintain parity with voters in upcoming elections.
Never mind people just saying things, there's always people who take things further.
This may be the owners decision but if the players do nothing, it won't be long before fans (of their clubs but especially the 'not invited' clubs) bombard their social media, the same players partners. You know there's always some head case that will take it further... I'm sure these players want to keep going out but what if you get a group of fans harassing you/your partner, even on holiday/abroad. Their lives wouldn't be much fun, may well be short lived but still... is it worth a bigger wage when you're already on good money? And that's on top of maybe coming from certain backgrounds, your family telling you it's shit, your principles AND no more international caps.
Personally, I hope we play Liverpool in 2 weeks and all 22 gently pass the ball about for 90 minutes, no tackles. Play headers and volleys, rabona passes, backheels, basically treat it like a training session. Then off.
Bayern not being in or looking like they will be in it is helpful. That gives the CL some glamour still, PSG could also do this. If Chelsea and City grow a pair and pull out as they never really wanted to be apart of it. The Super League isn't going to look quite so super as half the teams are Ropey League ones.
Yeah, cannot see the Government doing this. However, they could tax the life out of them. I think with Brexit the UK will have more levers to do something (although that is me guessing than knowing.)
We all know this is true. That is the sad thing about it.
But what if it isnt the clubs backing out? They want to stay in domestic football
It is not fair to expect managers or players to come out individually and say something, yes they are wealthy, it is still their jobs on the line.
However, both players and managers are unionised.
Those respective unions should be making a statement on behalf of all affected.
However, both players and managers are unionised.
Those respective unions should be making a statement on behalf of all affected.
No it won't but this foul cry by UEFA or PL is just a skint attempt because they are losing their money and not exactly because of their love towards the game.
Hate to bring more politics into it but it doesn't matter what they do, they will keep getting reelected.
Aren't all the other club owners in the football leagues rich folks too? Maybe even better connected (if less rich) in UK & Tories politics than Kroenke, Glazer etc? Their assets will instantly lose value if this goes through...
Johnson is above all a populist. He championed brexit because he calculated it gave him more chance of winning elections.
The defender of the great game and national sport is all he sees, he thinks it will win him votes.
He's probably right.
No, you literally dodged the question. The system is already rigged and that was my point.
Don’t necessarily agree with that as a fan of American sports.
This thread is all politics. There is no way around that. It's a political decision within a political climate that's been cultivated for decades. There is no context free vacuum here regarding only sport.
Not only this, but they were the same ones conveniently telling Rashford to keep politics and football separate when he was willing to do something that is literally their job
There is no loyalty, traditions, respect any more. If Ole publicly comes out and says he doesn't agree with it then Woodward sacks him. Any player that disagrees with it can be sold. Woodward doesn't give a shit about Ole's history with the club or relationship with the fans, those things are just getting in the way of potential profit.
It is like those constantly shitting on Neville saying he was complicit in the Glazers owning the club because he didn't speak out. No he wasn't. He could have protested outside Old Trafford day and night and it wouldn't have made a difference. Individuals saying things doesn't stop these billionaire twats, it is going to take changes to the law.
It is like those constantly shitting on Neville saying he was complicit in the Glazers owning the club because he didn't speak out. No he wasn't. He could have protested outside Old Trafford day and night and it wouldn't have made a difference. Individuals saying things doesn't stop these billionaire twats, it is going to take changes to the law.
Perez himself I expect
For fibbing to him about joiningMate that's pretty much what happens in every single industry within this capitalist system. We have a right-wing government, they are usually all about maximising the money at the top end. This would most certainly fit in with the way they approach every other industry.
I'm not entirely sure on the following, but you'd assume there won't be grounds to sue if the clubs involved are legally obligated to pull out due to government legislation.
Right?
It was very quiet
Well done pep
On purpose.
There's something highly laughable and revolting at the idea of City dropping out and being spoken about like saviours and true good guys.
I can see that happening, the owners of the other clubs will lose out on revenue if this goes through - so it pressures the government to go against their main political ideology.
Exactly this, and even further don't protest on societal issues - while they actively try and push through a Bill to give protestors harsh criminal sentences - however when it comes to football do protest because we don't want our buddies to lose money.
It's very snide and I don't trust their stance.
To some degree, I agree, but I still don't think the Government will have too much power to do much in this instance. I do agree with Villain though, opposing this is the most anti tori think I've seen in basically forever.
Arsenal deserve what they earn, no more and no less. If their underperformance on the pitch impacts them financially while Leicester get a financial boost from overperforming then that's sport working as it should. Why on earth should Arsenal be ring-fenced from their own failures as if being good in the 00's means they're owed something 20 years later?
You would think that this would give Labour the fuel to call him out on his hypocrisy in future political exchanges, but they somehow manage to offer less than nothing.
We were hated because of our success and that was fun. It's no fun when the hate is justified by us being rancid cnuts.
Right but no one in here gives a single shit about UEFA, the PL, Sky, FIFA etc. The outrage on here, by all the other fans around the World is not for them, it is because this represents something much worse.
I understand that but I think it’s not outlandish to treat competive sport differently to business. It’s a shame that the sport of football has turned into more of a business I suppose.
I don’t trust the government but I suppose protecting the premier league will also protect a lot of jobs and income more so than having the premier league fold and just have 6 rich clubs taking most of the money.
Well said. Could be a blessing...
I'll almost be a bit disappointed if the Super League is scrapped now.
Not because I agree with it, but because I'm pretty fed up with European football today. Since the introduction of the Champions League, where every team needed to go through qualifying rounds, and the champions of Germany, Spain and England all failed to enter the group stages, the "big 5" have more or less managed to hijack the whole thing (the "big 5" is a relatively new concept, don't forget). Hints and threats of forming a super league at regular intervals have transformed the Champions League from an initial level playing field in 1992 to an almost closed shop already. First, one automatic place for champions of certain countries, with an extra place in the play-offs for the runners-up, then two automatic places, and so on. You add in the UEFA coefficient points, and the new proposals of qualifying by "merit", and voilà, you have today's situation where 75-80% of league champions around Europe have almost zero chance of qualifying, and where a large section of fans, in particular younger fans, turn their nose up at every team name that's not among a select 15-20 clubs.
A U-turn by these clubs would certainly only happen by some sort of decade-long guarantee of CL football, coupled with an even bigger portion of the revenue. Let them leave, and boycott everything that has to do with it. Tear up the CL, start afresh, and make sure that it becomes a true European competition, and not just something for a handful of countries. So what if the revenue takes a hit? I don't care one bit if players no longer become millionaires in a week. The fan culture in many countries could make the games a much bigger spectacle for the viewers than Super League matches at random locations around the world (because there's not a chance in hell that these will take place at Old Trafford, Emirates, Anfield, etc, when the local fans decide to stay away).
Not because I agree with it, but because I'm pretty fed up with European football today. Since the introduction of the Champions League, where every team needed to go through qualifying rounds, and the champions of Germany, Spain and England all failed to enter the group stages, the "big 5" have more or less managed to hijack the whole thing (the "big 5" is a relatively new concept, don't forget). Hints and threats of forming a super league at regular intervals have transformed the Champions League from an initial level playing field in 1992 to an almost closed shop already. First, one automatic place for champions of certain countries, with an extra place in the play-offs for the runners-up, then two automatic places, and so on. You add in the UEFA coefficient points, and the new proposals of qualifying by "merit", and voilà, you have today's situation where 75-80% of league champions around Europe have almost zero chance of qualifying, and where a large section of fans, in particular younger fans, turn their nose up at every team name that's not among a select 15-20 clubs.
A U-turn by these clubs would certainly only happen by some sort of decade-long guarantee of CL football, coupled with an even bigger portion of the revenue. Let them leave, and boycott everything that has to do with it. Tear up the CL, start afresh, and make sure that it becomes a true European competition, and not just something for a handful of countries. So what if the revenue takes a hit? I don't care one bit if players no longer become millionaires in a week. The fan culture in many countries could make the games a much bigger spectacle for the viewers than Super League matches at random locations around the world (because there's not a chance in hell that these will take place at Old Trafford, Emirates, Anfield, etc, when the local fans decide to stay away).
Hmmm.... I don't hate this as much as I thought I would.
- The competition winner would receive just 1.5 times more than the bottom side. By comparison, that ratio in Spain’s La Liga is closer to 3.5 times
- The 15 “founding clubs” of the Super League would share 32.5 per cent of these commercial revenues
- A further 32.5 per cent would be distributed between all 20 participating teams, including the five sides invited to play in the competition each year
- The final 15 per cent would be shared based on broadcast audience size
- Super League clubs have committed to using only 55 per cent of their revenues on “sport spending”, such as player salaries, transfer and agent fees, according to people familiar with the terms
There's definitely room for improvement. But that's not the worst start. Assuming it is only a start.