European Super League

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Not everyone wants to win the CL. Just participating is enough for most
That’s because they know it’s not a
Level playing field. The positive about the American sports model is that teams who fail one season aren’t allowed to flounder again the following season. That’s all the advantage a ESL offers, teams who finish bottom of a group may be offered the next Haaland and trade him off for 3 or 4 other prospects thereby ensuring that team is more competitive the following season. It’s one option they may consider as there’s no relegation. There may be caps on spending. I’m not that versed in all the finances of American sports. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665623-how-does-the-salary-cap-work-in-the-nfl

None of that is ideal for a football structure that we’re used to.
 
Hope they say something.
If they dont want to take a stand just yet, at least say they are angry about the way they have been kept in the dark.
Might not be enough, but a start that might make it easier for others to speak up more clearly afterwards.

The players should strike, I doubt they will want anything to do with it but they could just refuse to play. Or perhaps have a picnic in the Center circle during the match, genuinely I’ll be surprised if they actually do anything.

The one great hope is Rashford I suppose with all of his political connections and status, that would be a lot to put on his shoulders but perhaps he will be the leader we need.
 
Isn't that happening already? City, Chelsea, Real , PSG are buying whomever they want, offering silly money , setting up offshore accounts funded by states ?
But the current system means that IF Leicester win the league they go straight into the Champions League and at least 3 of these shitty 6 miss out. They will be rewarded with that the next season. This new competition means none of those 6 miss out no matter who beats them and Leicester will probably go into a B-Team European Competition. It isn't comparable to what happens now.
 
The most important thing is to get these parasites out and out of our country
Which ones? You have a host of them at every club. No one can say that Gold and Sullivan or Ashley aren’t the same. They have all sold their clubs down the river
 
You're either being very disingenuous or purposefully thick.

Rashford earns loads of money from endorsements and that is based on this image and public perception which is very positive due to his actions outside his profession.

Now we come to a point where morals and ethics in his day job is questioned and all of a sudden my (and that of others) expectations of his behaviour and principles should change?

What kind of moral hypocrisy is this? If you want to be paid and not be questioned about where your money comes from, stop trying to portray yourself as anything but a mercenary.

This is valid not just for Rashford but for all of them, especially when it concerns the values of the club.

The only person who I can see agreeing with your point is some posh rich boy who's used to behaving hypocritically. I expect better from these working class footballers.
The players have already questioned this to the one person that can answer them...Woodward.

We already know that they confronted Woodward in a meeting, so what good is putting some ill advised tweet going against your employees going to achieve exactly?

I'm not sure exactly what more you are wanting from them? If they lose their jobs then they lose their wage, and in football it's not simple to get that wage back, sure Rashford can criticise the club and Woodward online, i'm sure then he will get repreimanded, and or sacked depending on clauses in his contract, where will he go? The top 12 clubs in Europe are in the same boat, Villa for example couldn't afford his wages, unless Rashford takes a massive decline in wages.

It's really not up to the players to tweet stuff, they need to be putting pressure on the chairmen and owners, which is what they are doing.
 
But the current system means that IF Leicester win the league they go straight into the Champions League and at least 3 of these shitty 6 miss out. They will be rewarded with that the next season. This new competition means none of those 6 miss out no matter who beats them and Leicester will probably go into a B-Team European Competition. It isn't comparable to what happens now.
They just don't care if they misses out though. They will come back stronger with more state funded money next year. The system is already broken. PL and UEFA shouldn't have allowed state funded small clubs to invest heavily and break the balance.
 
Since it seems glazers and woodward are leading the charge for this in England it's gonna need to be Ole & the players to be the ones to do something to make a statement without words and it's gonna have to be this weekend. When it's time to take the pitch vs Leeds they should stay in the dressing room. The feck does ensuring we finish top 4 mean when we are gonna be banned from Europe or even the slight chance City slips up FA wouldn't recognize it
 


Nail on the head from this lad.


It started with Sky. People say this is different because it’s a closed competition, and while that’s true, what we’re seeing is a natural evolution of the commercialisation of the game, that started with the Premier League and Sky Sports. It’s all the same. This has been inevitable for a long, long time.
 
I just think it's so funny because
1 - BJ wanted the Newcastle takeover not long ago
2 - The Tories are the "Free Market" Party, and these events are exactly what happens in a free market.
3 - Fans being owners in the football club was a proposal put forward by Corbyn and was sneered at.

Nobody involved looks good, but I can't say where I fully fall yet.
It’s not unlike politicians to flip flap and go whichever way the wind is blowing is it? Fecking politicians.
 
Yeah, in the current pandemic, the UK is gonna waste 10B pounds in buying a few clubs, cause some people in the internet are unhappy.

Football is an entertainment, not something extremely important. If you get entertained, watch it, if not, watch something else. Simple as that.

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Money ain't backed by Gold standard or any standard. It's up to them who make the money.
Inflation still exists though.

In any case, there would be a massive public outcry if Tories spent 10B+ to buy a few rich clubs, while many English clubs probably will go out of existence cause of the hit from covid.

There are some things that just won't happen.
 
They just don't care if they misses out though. They will come back stronger with more state funded money next year. The system is already broken. PL and UEFA shouldn't have allowed state funded small clubs to invest heavily and break the balance.
They DO care if they miss out though, that is the entire reason this competition is happening. The owners unable to accept they can miss out on Champions League football for even a season. That is literally the point of this whole thing and why they're writing it into the rules they can never be relegated.
 
Since it seems glazers and woodward are leading the charge for this in England it's gonna need to be Ole & the players to be the ones to do something to make a statement without words and it's gonna have to be this weekend. When it's time to take the pitch vs Leeds they should stay in the dressing room. The feck does ensuring we finish top 4 mean when we are gonna be banned from Europe or even the slight chance City slips up FA wouldn't recognize it

There's definitely a part of me that hopes they just let Leeds score and protest our remaining games.
 
Isn't that happening already? City, Chelsea, Real , PSG are buying whomever they want, offering silly money , setting up offshore accounts funded by states ?

No. Currently we do not have 15 teams that are guaranteed fixed big prize money regardless of performances, prize money that are literally impossible to get for other teams. If United finish 7th in the PL, they do not get CL prize money the following year unless they performed on the field and won the Europa League.
 
No worries mate, they're totally alright with you pulling the ladder up forever, getting even richer so you can pillage their players even more than before and playing in at the highest level in Europe every single year, no matter how shit you are, while telling the rest of the world to feck off and die.
Quoted wrong post? I’m very against the Super League, just wanting to understand who will actually like it, someone has to for them to make money.
 
Man I’m 28 and I’m just like....am I really that old? Is this really what the generation below me wants?

It just sounds like these people don’t actually enjoy football, and are trying to turn the beautiful game into some more appealing to themselves. It’s disgusting.

I'm exactly the same mate.

I'm only 32 and it feels like I'm in a different world, people who only watch the last 15 minutes of matches, support individual players instead of teams etc.

It's depressing and disgraceful.
 
The players should strike, I doubt they will want anything to do with it but they could just refuse to play. Or perhaps have a picnic in the Center circle during the match, genuinely I’ll be surprised if they actually do anything.

The one great hope is Rashford I suppose with all of his political connections and status, that would be a lot to put on his shoulders but perhaps he will be the leader we need.
I really hope someone does as see that as the only hope this not going thru.

One other hope is that they dont want to renew contracts as i guess many bonuses are connected to Champions League.
 
I'm exactly the same mate.

I'm only 32 and it feels like I'm in a different world, people who only watch the last 15 minutes of matches, support individual players instead of teams etc.

It's depressing and disgraceful.
I’m also a similar age. I understand that football has just gone in this direction for the last two decades. It’s not the same as when I was a kid. I think this sort of thing has been coming for ages.
 
I think the 50+1 rule is a good idea but there are many potential negatives with it, the biggest drawback of the 50+1 rule is that it limits the financial capacity of the clubs. Without being able to captain the ship, external investors would not like to channel heavy funds into a team and current investors might decide to leave.
This will mean the major sources of PL club finances will be limited to the revenue generated through operational activities like match tickets, shirt sales, et al.
This is why Bayern is so dominant financially in the Bundesliga.
So I can see the big 6 doing 5 but the likes of Evertin, Leeds, West Ham may struggle to get potential investors.
Top players will want to play for the top clubs but I’m not convinced it’s at any cost. If there’s an international ban etc what are they going to do? At the end of the day Fernandes or Salah or Foden still have to live out the rest of their days in their country ( post career). The pressure of the public saying that they’ve sold out their countries could be damaging. Or the more idealistic side; they just might value playing for their countries rather higher than money.
 
It’s not unlike politicians to flip flap and go whichever way the wind is blowing is it? Fecking politicians.

True, but it's just tough to find anybody who is doing this for 'just' reasons, right now.
 
They just don't care if they misses out though. They will come back stronger with more state funded money next year. The system is already broken. PL and UEFA shouldn't have allowed state funded small clubs to invest heavily and break the balance.

Missing out on the CL currently has financial impact on a team like Arsenal. Missing out multiple times even more so. Which leads to a situation where a player could easily opt for a team like Leicester over a team like Arsenal this summer, because they're currently a better side more likely to play in the CL.

An ESL kills that. Players will never opt for Leicester over Arsenal, because Arsenal are guaranteed more money and a permanent place in the most high profile competition.