European Super League

[Striker10]

Yeah, in the current pandemic, the UK is gonna waste 10B pounds in buying a few clubs, cause some people in the internet are unhappy.

Football is an entertainment, not something extremely important. If you get entertained, watch it, if not, watch something else. Simple as that.

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Money ain't backed by Gold standard or any standard. It's up to them who make the money.

 

[BootsyCollins]

Hope they say something.
If they dont want to take a stand just yet, at least say they are angry about the way they have been kept in the dark.
Might not be enough, but a start that might make it easier for others to speak up more clearly afterwards.

 

[P-Nut]

I'm obviously 100% against this, but I am confused by 1 aspect.

Clubs have been playing in friendly tournaments in pre-season for years now, what is to stop them labelling this as something similar and therefore not crossing the rule about playing in other tournaments and leagues etc?

We've seen the Emirates Cup, Audi Cup and the one with all the big sides in preseason which is basically the same format as the proposed remodelled CL plans of one big league where the teams don't all play each other.

 

[Paxi]

 

[cyberman]

Not a good source but let’s hope this is it. Disgraceful from United.

212 followers. Theres no need to feed these people

 

[Random Task]

You know Glazers might have just shat their own bed with this Super League. We could end up with real tangible reforms at the end of all this. Best case scenario. It would be totally fecking worth the stress and anxiety to the back of those fecking parasitic cnuts.

I wonder if the Glazers (or any owners of the 12) had any notion that the backlash was going to be as bad as this. They probably expected a negative response, but not quite to the extent that the UK Prime Minister is considering new government legislative options to prevent the ESL from happening.

Also, I think the Glazer's will be a lot more open to selling up if they miss out on this new deal.

 

[villain]

They follow on. Click on the tweet.

I just think it's so funny because
1 - BJ wanted the Newcastle takeover not long ago
2 - The Tories are the "Free Market" Party, and these events are exactly what happens in a free market.
3 - Fans being owners in the football club was a proposal put forward by Corbyn and was sneered at.

Nobody involved looks good, but I can't say where I fully fall yet.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Not a good source but let’s hope this is it. Disgraceful from United.

I didn't think our owners could disgust me further but if this is true.

 

[joobier]

I still find it odd we can mobilise governments, FA’s, UEFA/FIFA in an instant when it comes to a breakaway European competition.

But racism, no chance.

Does anyone really thinks FIFA will ban players from representing their countries? Are they really that naive to think that anyone will bother watching a World Cup without 150 of the best players in the world in it?

Because there is money to be made/at stake. Boris Johnson and the conservatives care as little about the average football fan as they do they’re constituents.

 

[JPRouve]

But we COULD be relegated? What are you not getting? It's not literally impossible. A bad run of form, yes a very bad one, but a bad run of form could see us relegated.

In the early 2000s Monaco won the title and were relegated the following season.

 

[bond19821982]

Imagine Liverpool this season if they had no need to finish in the top 4. They’d treat the PL as a reserve league and focus on the ESL. It’s a joke.

So isn't that an opportunity for other teams to catch up then? West Ham and Leicester will get the top 4 ?

 

[MDFC Manager]

Hopefully a legislation to limit spending to what clubs earn and strict evaluation of books so that it is not inflated. Not letting state to buy football club. One can dream but I would be delighted if these thing happen because of this ESL.

If that happens, United will be the first club to cancel the ESL plans

 

[Random Task]

Like feck

Boris is pro-'Boris sitting in the big chair' and anti-everything else.

He's just sniffed it out as a nice opportunity to score a few PR points with the proles. He's not touching multi-billion pound corporations with a barge pole.

His motives for taking action are not relevant, mate.

 

[Judas]

So isn't that an opportunity for other teams to catch up then? West Ham and Leicester will get the top 4 ?

Why would you or anyone want to watch a league where teams are literally not trying in half the games

 

[Cooksen]

Don't know why. But I feel more encouraged today that this will not go through.

If the players from the clubs reject it, the SL will be dead in the water.

The FA might want to consider forcing the 6 EPL clubs owners to sell if they can somehow do that, there is no way back for them.

 

[stevoc]

 

[FahadiHossein]

By the way, this Super League idea is not new: https://www.tnp.sg/sports/football/asean-super-league-dead-water
There were plans to form one in SE Asia several years back.

 

[V.O.]

His motives for taking action are not relevent, mate.

My point is he won't take any actual action. You'll get a few soundbytes out of him if you're lucky.

 

[Counterfactual]

I know there’s a lot of Corden fans on here...



Being serous though, he’s absolutely spot on

How weird. I'm pretty sure most of his audience couldn't care less.

 

[Phil]

Can we please take a minute to consider sources before posting them up? People are posting such unsubstantiated bs to grow their follower counts at the moment. It's a bloody perfect free for all sort of time for them.

 

[bond19821982]

Why would you or anyone want to watch a league where teams are literally not trying in half the games

Exactly- I already said UCL is screwed. I just said EPL won't be impacted.

 

[Drifter]

Saddening if true.

 

[RORY65]

So isn't that an opportunity for other teams to catch up then? West Ham and Leicester will get the top 4 ?

How is that a good competition though if there are several teams in it who see it as just a box ticking exercise before they get back to the real entertainment in midweek? How can you sell a league for billions of pounds to fans and broadcasters around the world when a third of the league see themselves as being above it? West Ham and Leicester could make top 4 to play in the Champions League which will effectively have become a glorified version of the Europa League.

 

[Berbaclass]

As another poster already said. There is no need to hide behind this "I want this to happen because UEFA and Sky are bad" spiel.

Like I previously said I don’t really care. Don’t think it’s terrible or brilliant. I’ll still support my team. This is nothing to do with the players or the manager.

 

[JPRouve]

So isn't that an opportunity for other teams to catch up then? West Ham and Leicester will get the top 4 ?

No, because the ESL teams would make significantly more money. Also the ESL is going to tale commercial revenues away from the PL and the CL.

 

[The Purley King]

Not a good source but let’s hope this is it. Disgraceful from United.

Who is Leah Smith? Would be delighted if this was true.
Man City riding to the rescue. feck me I must have had magic mushrooms for breakfast............

 

[Annihilate Now!]

The other thing to remember is that a new big 4/6 will form within 5 years that will likely in the short term end up having decent attraction power.

The champions league isn't going to dissapear overnight, there are still some legitimate behemoths in there such as PSG/Bayern and there is going to remain a large audience.

In other words, whilst they obviously won't grow as big as a Man Utd, teams like Leicester, West Ham will have a very large spotlight still shone upon them, and that in turn will grow those clubs and probably lead to higher investment into the prem then what some in here are probably expecting.

Yeah I'd have to agree with that. Plus if anyone buys a club (say Newcastle) they could also be massive.

I do genuinely think, if the ESL goes ahead, the safeguarding/future of a competitive/interesting Premier League is kicking these 6 clubs out. Yes they'll lose out in the short-term, but in the long-term it would surely be for the best.

They'd just have to do something/put something in place that forbids any more clubs joining the ESL.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

How weird. I'm pretty sure most of his audience couldn't care less.

He admitted that during it. Might give them something to think about. That they get fleeced to watch an pointless load of sports.

 

[pratyush_utd]

First comment on YouTube is bang on.

Only winner out of this are lawyers. There are going to double triple their bank balance after this is over

 

[Paxi]

Nail on the head from this lad.

 

[Ixion]

So isn't that an opportunity for other teams to catch up then? West Ham and Leicester will get the top 4 ?

It was reported that if Leicester were to somehow get invited to this circus and then go on to win it they would earn less than all of the founding members. There is no chance to catch-up. They are creating a rigged game. You cannot catch up when the rest are earning hundreds of millions more than you. Spurs could finish 15th and sign better players than Leicester in 2nd because Spurs have the guranteed games against Barca and Juve and Leicester can only play against the B-Teams in the Champions League. It is rigged. That is the entire point of not having these teams be relegated.

 

[Zlatan 7]

The top players are going to want to play for the top teams , viewers are going to want to watch well known clubs names be they English or other well-known European clubs.

You'll always get the core fans at the turnstiles but that's not going to pay the wages of top players or attract the top players knowing that the most exciting game they are going to play in is going to be against West Ham or Burnley or other normally average PL clubs, and the money will just disappear over time because the TV companies won't pay for it and if the TV don't pay for it the sponsors are not going to pay for and the drip drip effect will gradually erode the PL or quickly if clubs have got massive commitments and their lifeline of massive TV deals are needed to pay for it.

The world has changed even from when the PL was formed.

I agree that is a very real possibility and one that I dread, like I said it mainly boils down to the players and maybe I’m hoping or dreaming too much but I can’t see these super league teams taking their full squads. It’s easy to say sat here as a fan but I’m disgusted with it, players could easily feel the same.

 

[zakk88]

If Englands government made new laws for football, like that 50+1 rule like in Germany, and a new English League ( copy of the old except for the Super League teams) was set up where no club could join without having achieved the 50+1, then the clubs with Super League could be held responsible AND owners prevented from doing shit like this.

I think the 50+1 rule is a good idea but there are many potential negatives with it, the biggest drawback of the 50+1 rule is that it limits the financial capacity of the clubs. Without being able to captain the ship, external investors would not like to channel heavy funds into a team and current investors might decide to leave.
This will mean the major sources of PL club finances will be limited to the revenue generated through operational activities like match tickets, shirt sales, et al.
This is why Bayern is so dominant financially in the Bundesliga.
So I can see the big 6 doing 5 but the likes of Evertin, Leeds, West Ham may struggle to get potential investors.

 

[Zaphod2319]

How weird. I'm pretty sure most of his audience couldn't care less.

Watching with curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't say could care less, but more of interest of how big money pushes the smaller guys around in sport. Obviously most have no personal investment in what happens.

 

[Bastian]

Nail on the head from this lad.

Yeah, reminds me of Keano's prawn sandwich rant.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Real and Barca are too, didn't stop them. Though I wonder how much of that is due to them knowing that they have the Spanish media in their pocket and can easily control the narrative.

Did the fans even get given a choice?

 

[Enigma_87]

Yeah, in the current pandemic, the UK is gonna waste 10B pounds in buying a few clubs, cause some people in the internet are unhappy.

Football is an entertainment, not something extremely important. If you get entertained, watch it, if not, watch something else. Simple as that.

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Money ain't backed by Gold standard or any standard. It's up to them who make the money.

It's not as easy as this and not only few people unhappy. This idea breaks the model and means the domestic economy takes a big hit. I don't know how Spain feels about it, but the simple solution is tax the English clubs to death and they will eventually crumble and sell out. You can't move the club, stadium to a new place(football is not NBA yet). Football is a big big money making machine so it went above and beyond a simple entertainment. It's bigger than gambling for example, which is heavily regulated and taxed. Big clubs might not depend on UEFA and FIFA to the biggest extend, but go against the govt and those unhappy folks that elect it and you are dead, simple as.

It's a real possibility for both England, Italy and Spain governments to ride this huge PR wave and oppose this idea, especially in the midst of Corona where governments can hardly finish their terms. Real and Barca are bailed out by the government every decade and are always dependent on in and in major debt. Their model is not sustainable if the state doesn't support them. Even if they hit 300m more per year, it's still isn't enough to even cover Messi's wages.

 

[bond19821982]

No, because the ESL teams would make significantly more money. Also the ESL is going to tale commercial revenues away from the PL and the CL.

Isn't that happening already? City, Chelsea, Real , PSG are buying whomever they want, offering silly money , setting up offshore accounts funded by states ?

 

[bond19821982]

It was reported that if Leicester were to somehow get invited to this circus and then go on to win it they would earn less than all of the founding members. There is no chance to catch-up. They are creating a rigged game. You cannot catch up when the rest are earning hundreds of millions more than you. Spurs could finish 15th and sign better players than Leicester in 2nd because Spurs have the guranteed games against Barca and Juve and Leicester can only play against the B-Teams in the Champions League. It is rigged. That is the entire point of not having these teams be relegated.

That's happening already. If Man City finishes 15th next year, they are still going to spend huge money.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Man I’m 28 and I’m just like....am I really that old? Is this really what the generation below me wants?

It just sounds like these people don’t actually enjoy football, and are trying to turn the beautiful game into some more appealing to themselves. It’s disgusting.

It's a commercial product that aims to elicit a response, that you can join in with other people for enjoyment rather than the actual events of the sport to enjoy.