True yeah forgot it had changed.
European Super League
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True yeah forgot it had changed.
It’s not a bad thing to want. It’s a dreadful thing to be guaranteed by the legislation of the competition though.
It goes against the very essence of competitive football. Results don’t matter. Where you finish a season doesn't matter as long as enough people watched you do it.
It's got massive cultural power but I'm sure the Tories are expecting this to fold without them actually having to do anything whilst taking some credit for it.
That's not what I had in mind but that would be glorious.
How is it a stretch it's a fact?I need to stop wasting time on these type of Super League defenders.
Better not waste time either, if you don't have a solid point to make except for the idea of relegation of United and Liverpool.
My point of view is I would like to understand more about it before saying whether or not I would like to see it. I think a lot of the outrage is over the top. If Real Madrid and AC Milan sign a contract to play a fixture each year for the next 20 years, should anyone be able to stop that? This is what happens for preseason games (albeit one year at a time). I think if those two teams want to do that then they should be able to. The ESL is a bigger version of my example (and therefore more resources have to be allocated to it for each club, but I am sure there are ways around this). Although I don't like that 15 teams are permanent in the competition, I think they have the right to do it.
You don't understand fair competition much, do you?
Imagine Liverpool this season if they had no need to finish in the top 4. They’d treat the PL as a reserve league and focus on the ESL. It’s a joke.
If Boris actually follows through on this then much can be forgiven...
You need to change the statutes of the club and the current owners won't do it while the prospective owners have no interests giving up 51% of a multi billion purchase. Who are these millions of fans that are going to give up tens of thousands of pounds?
The problem is that we are talking about billions of pounds not dozens of millions, what you are describing is realistic for most clubs because a relatively small amount of fans can put something together and forfeit their investment for example a club worth 50m could be purchased by a handful of multimillionaires/billionaires and who then sell their shares to the club for 1£, that way the club owns itself and you can create your 50+1 system. But that's only realistic when the purchase is relatively small, it doesn't work when you are talking about an entity worth 4bn£, it would involve too many people forfeiting a lot of money.
Well we hear that city and Chelsea followed, that seems to be now commonly admitted. Good to hear Atheletico. We need those to break away.
Zidane isn't pleased
Bring the big fish in a little pond has its advantages, sure, but is it worth sacrificing a windfall large enough to sustain your club indefinitely to remain so? I'm not convinced.
Had the Red Knight consortium succeeded in their takeover bid of United, do you think they would have anything to do with the ESL?
The big question is will the protest get some further traction or will most be "forgotten" in 2-3 weeks time and things go ahead as planned.
I remember how everyone said what they're gonna do once the Glazers took over, yet nothing happened and we went on rather soon
I remember how everyone said what they're gonna do once the Glazers took over, yet nothing happened and we went on rather soon
More like the evil empireRebel Alliance
I know but we have to acknowledge that Joel Glazer is the most proponent supporter of this because he sees an endless money cash cow without even needing investment so the only way is to make sure they have no one to play with except Madrid, Barcelona and the Italians.
Like feck
Boris is pro-'Boris sitting in the big chair' and anti-everything else.
He's just sniffed it out as a nice opportunity to score a few PR points with the proles. He's not touching multi-billion pound corporations with a barge pole.
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We still havnt mathematically made top four have we? We’ve played teams chasing top four or facing relegation. The games are competitive and mean something
Obviously if someone thinks the ESL won't impact the EPL then they're going to have a different perspective and think there has been an overreaction. Because they're looking at it from the POV of someone who is definitely wrong. We've got to be understanding of those different points of view.
Don't know why. But I feel more encouraged today that this will not go through.
You've hit the nail on the head there despite yourself. That's exactly the problem.
Thank you. I will tap into the cautious positivity of this post. I really need it, this is dragging me down.
Honestly it's difficult to understand how people can be invested enough to sign up here yet care so little they don't mind this.
Yep. 50plus1 so get the feck out
The top players are going to want to play for the top teams , viewers are going to want to watch well known clubs names be they English or other well-known European clubs.
You'll always get the core fans at the turnstiles but that's not going to pay the wages of top players or attract the top players knowing that the most exciting game they are going to play in is going to be against West Ham or Burnley or other normally average PL clubs, and the money will just disappear over time because the TV companies won't pay for it and if the TV don't pay for it the sponsors are not going to pay for and the drip drip effect will gradually erode the PL or quickly if clubs have got massive commitments and their lifeline of massive TV deals are needed to pay for it.
The world has changed even from when the PL was formed.
One of the many problems with it for me is that the chairperson of it is one of the owners of the clubs involved. There's no independant body running it
United didn't not spontaneously appear as one of the biggest clubs in the world. The only reason the shithead Glazers are able to do this is by effectively cashing in the work of the Babes, Sir Matt, Sir Alex, those who saved the club from debt in the earliest years etc. to make themselves a bit more money and go against all the values the club was built on. I actually get angry at the thought there are United fans that are OK with this, its a disgrace. We should be leading the 14 PL clubs opposed to this.
All these corrupt owners being removed from these clubs would be the ideal scenario that comes from this shit show. Sadly I don't think that will happen.
Not a good source but let’s hope this is it. Disgraceful from United.
Taken off reddit. Full Bayern CEO interview
The full interview:
**Kalle Rummenigge, CEO of Bayern Munich and Agnelli's predecessor at the helm of the ECA: why did it come to this?**
"We had been talking about it for ten years and we always decided to keep the existing model. Then the coronavirus damaged all of European soccer, especially the big teams, which without fans at the stadium lost a lot. Some clubs thought it was therefore a good time to make a Super League. And a big mess was born...".
**The modalities are striking. President Ceferin had very harsh words against Agnelli, what do you think?**
"I am sorry that what happened happened, because they have always had a friendly relationship and have collaborated well. The important thing now is to resume a certain dialogue. My hope is to still find a solution, because the Superleague damages all European soccer. And we must avoid it."
**What is the solution?**
"The solution is to reduce costs. With the Superleague, clubs are trying to solve the problem of debts, which have gotten worse with the pandemic. But the way cannot be to cash in more and more and pay players and agents more and more. We need to cut back a little, not put more on the table. We've overspent: everyone, no one excluded. It's time to make soccer less arrogant".
**Is anticipating the Super Champions a possibility?**
"No, the 2024 one cannot be anticipated, because the marketing rights have been sold. The reforms are confirmed by 2024: on Friday, even Agnelli was in agreement".
**Doesn't a president who serves the contrary interests of the association he represents seem serious?**
"Unfortunately, I wanted to talk to him, but I couldn't get him on the phone. I don't know his motivations and without knowing them I don't want to criticize him. Maybe there is a motivation that I don't know: maybe I can talk to him and understand better".
**Are you surprised by the fact that Juve and AC Milan are joining the Super League as well as Inter?**
"There are rumors that Inter have big financial problems and maybe they think they can solve them this way. The revenue they are talking about for the Super League seems enormous, but I don't know if in the long run the problems will be solved. I don't believe it. You can't collect more and more money to compensate for expenses".
**Uefa has also made its mistakes, don't you think?**
"The market exploded in the year of Neymar, but we were already on the wrong path and it is not the fault of Uefa and Fifa. Now we have a great chance to find solutions to return to a more rational soccer. All companies in Italy, Japan, Germany or the USA think about reducing costs: only in soccer do they think they can solve everything by increasing revenues".
**Do you expect to play the Champions League in August without Real, Juventus and Liverpool?**
"I sincerely hope not, I find it hard to imagine. It is a damage, on this there is no debate: without twelve great teams the competition is damaged".
**Do you confirm that Bayern is not in the Super League?**
"We are not in because we don't want to be part of it. We are happy to play in the Bundesliga, a 'bread and butter' business, as the English say. We are happy to make the Champions League and we don't forget the responsibility to our fans, who are generally against such a reform. And we also feel a responsibility to soccer in general."
**With a billion in debt like Barcelona, is it more difficult to make certain choices?**
"We fortunately do not have these debts."
**Is the choice of English teams due to American ownership?**
"Yes, because in Europe you spend a lot and maybe you don't win. In the USA, the first thing they think about is earning money".
**Klopp, coach of Liverpool, is a historical enemy of the Super League.If he were to come to Bayern, it would be a symbolic blow, don't you think?**
"We have not yet decided on the coach, first we win the championship and then we decide what to do. Certainly he has spoken heavily against his society...".
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
The full interview:
**Kalle Rummenigge, CEO of Bayern Munich and Agnelli's predecessor at the helm of the ECA: why did it come to this?**
"We had been talking about it for ten years and we always decided to keep the existing model. Then the coronavirus damaged all of European soccer, especially the big teams, which without fans at the stadium lost a lot. Some clubs thought it was therefore a good time to make a Super League. And a big mess was born...".
**The modalities are striking. President Ceferin had very harsh words against Agnelli, what do you think?**
"I am sorry that what happened happened, because they have always had a friendly relationship and have collaborated well. The important thing now is to resume a certain dialogue. My hope is to still find a solution, because the Superleague damages all European soccer. And we must avoid it."
**What is the solution?**
"The solution is to reduce costs. With the Superleague, clubs are trying to solve the problem of debts, which have gotten worse with the pandemic. But the way cannot be to cash in more and more and pay players and agents more and more. We need to cut back a little, not put more on the table. We've overspent: everyone, no one excluded. It's time to make soccer less arrogant".
**Is anticipating the Super Champions a possibility?**
"No, the 2024 one cannot be anticipated, because the marketing rights have been sold. The reforms are confirmed by 2024: on Friday, even Agnelli was in agreement".
**Doesn't a president who serves the contrary interests of the association he represents seem serious?**
"Unfortunately, I wanted to talk to him, but I couldn't get him on the phone. I don't know his motivations and without knowing them I don't want to criticize him. Maybe there is a motivation that I don't know: maybe I can talk to him and understand better".
**Are you surprised by the fact that Juve and AC Milan are joining the Super League as well as Inter?**
"There are rumors that Inter have big financial problems and maybe they think they can solve them this way. The revenue they are talking about for the Super League seems enormous, but I don't know if in the long run the problems will be solved. I don't believe it. You can't collect more and more money to compensate for expenses".
**Uefa has also made its mistakes, don't you think?**
"The market exploded in the year of Neymar, but we were already on the wrong path and it is not the fault of Uefa and Fifa. Now we have a great chance to find solutions to return to a more rational soccer. All companies in Italy, Japan, Germany or the USA think about reducing costs: only in soccer do they think they can solve everything by increasing revenues".
**Do you expect to play the Champions League in August without Real, Juventus and Liverpool?**
"I sincerely hope not, I find it hard to imagine. It is a damage, on this there is no debate: without twelve great teams the competition is damaged".
**Do you confirm that Bayern is not in the Super League?**
"We are not in because we don't want to be part of it. We are happy to play in the Bundesliga, a 'bread and butter' business, as the English say. We are happy to make the Champions League and we don't forget the responsibility to our fans, who are generally against such a reform. And we also feel a responsibility to soccer in general."
**With a billion in debt like Barcelona, is it more difficult to make certain choices?**
"We fortunately do not have these debts."
**Is the choice of English teams due to American ownership?**
"Yes, because in Europe you spend a lot and maybe you don't win. In the USA, the first thing they think about is earning money".
**Klopp, coach of Liverpool, is a historical enemy of the Super League.If he were to come to Bayern, it would be a symbolic blow, don't you think?**
"We have not yet decided on the coach, first we win the championship and then we decide what to do. Certainly he has spoken heavily against his society...".
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Its Goldbridge though. Hes admitted to being a fake ITK in the past.
Id be shocked if any player was for this. It fell from the fecking sky 2 days ago.
We need a twitter blacklist for this thread, too many bluffers being posted to feed into the frenzy
I go through a mixture of anger and laughable disbelief reading themHow is it a stretch it's a fact?
WOW! I'm really surprised how the Super League has taken the football world by a storm. This is nothing but disgusting. There is nothing more to say. I completely understand that the clubs have decided to do this to overturn the losses they had to incur during the pandemic hit 2020 but it is in no way fair with the rest of the clubs in the world. This is so in concern with the saying, "The Rich get Richer and the Poor get Poorer". What's even more worrying and funny to me is, these clubs who have agreed to join the Super League think they already have the means to cope with the added fixtures and they also think that FIFA and UEFA will be ok with the owners/directors of these clubs going out of their way to resign their roles from UEFA to concentrate more on the Super League. I'm firmly with the people who think this is a disgrace and should not happen because this will not only kill the passion of bigger teams playing each other once in a while but wreck havoc on players of the teams that are in the breakaway league. All in all, it must be stopped or these clubs must be left out of all the domestic leagues and UEFA competitions to teach them a lesson. I hope the Super League is suspended or the clubs in them are thrown out of the rest of the leagues and competitions. One of the two must happen and I hope it is the latter because these club owners must be taught a lesson.