European Super League
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In a nutshell. No consequences for their own mismanagement, either historical or future. How clubs the size of Barca and Real could have the nerve to plead poverty, when they've had it so good for so long and allowed themselves to waste hundreds of millions rather than developing their own talent and working within their (still immense) means is fairly breathtaking. The disconnect is something else.
Ah yeah it is that I think - the typo confused me. It say "Sky has chosen to pay £1,193 million per annum under the terms of the new deal, down £199 million per annum. " ... (obviously its not down from £199m!)
What it does mean though (unless my worldwide figure is also wrong!) is that the bulk of the tv revenue comes from Sky, and I think - max - it would be reduced by 50% without the Big 6... there would still be a ton of interest in this country.
I don't remember Rashford calling himself Prime minister. They are well off because they are bloody good at something. Don't understand this notion that they earn more money so they should behave differently
As if the Glazers will give a flying feck. They don’t even watch games. They watch the bottom line.
Yeah I know. All this talk of giving someone a chance, only Everton and Leicester have managed to be in Champions league and that too for one season. Unless you are bought by Arab state or russian oligarchs, champions league is just an illusion
No, they are choosing to go and play in a league that is outside the regulations of fifa and uefa. They can’t then act all spoilt and say we still also want to be part of existing leagues. They can take their ball and feck off to their own tinpot league with it.
We faced granada in the el quarters. We faced 3 difficult teams in CL group and failed to get through. 3 of these teams are also not in the super league.
CL isn't perfect but your example makes no sense
I’m just saying I’m at a point where the events of the last 20 years, Glazers etc, where I’m not too concerned about the bigger picture. It’s not worth the stress to me. I watch United and I’m still a fan but I’ll watch them if they play in the CL or in the ESL. Doesn’t matter to me.
It’s all about money. Not the love of the game. The PL don’t want it to happen because of money. The other clubs in the PL don’t want it to happen because of money. UEFA, FIFA. None of them are driven by “the love of the game” like the media would have us believe. This ESL would simply transfer money to different people and the current establishment don’t like it.
I wonder have they done the actual maths or do they think because they finished 7th behind the 6 that makes them champions?
As in, have they gone through each gameweek individually to remove every fixture involving the 6, to see who finished on top that year without any of those points?
The glazers will just sell the space to the highest bidder ... any why not we are gonna need all the money we can get in the new super league
I just asked becuase I know he is always one of the ones at the pressers asking questions and I know he has close affiliation with the club
Fully support the strongest possible action against Utd and the rest of them, honestly even if the Super League doesn’t take off the intent is more than enough to consider walking away from the club permanently.
Let’s see how things go but I have never felt less connected with this club, it’s embarrassing to say you support Man Utd at this moment in time. FC Manchester must be wondering if their fan base is going to go through the roof!
Let’s see how things go but I have never felt less connected with this club, it’s embarrassing to say you support Man Utd at this moment in time. FC Manchester must be wondering if their fan base is going to go through the roof!
He obviously can in his own made up league outside of the associations. That's part of the problem with it. FIFA and UEFa aren't ONLY leeches, they also regulate the rules of the game, which every team that plays in competitions run by associations must adhere to.
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Every little action that is taken will help. If this was just a United issue it might have limited impact but realistically if the action of Liverpool and united fans gave a few other clubs some concerns then it might test the resolve of the others.
If this goes through, what happens to the non-"big-6" clubs with huge debts, reliant on the influx of money coming from the TV deals just to stay alive? The average Championship team spend 107% of their revenue on salaries, simply because they might eventually reach the promised land and erase the deficit. West Brom, Norwich, Fulham have all been able to stay relevant because of the "parachute" money, what will happen to those kinds of clubs? The players contracts are legally binding for years to come, so it isn't as simple as "stop paying silly money". If the money dries up, and the TV deal(s) collapse by even 20-30%, it would be catastrophic.
Even though I kind of support the whole "kick them (us) out" take, I think it would literally mean the end of a huge amount of clubs in England, and I don't understand how they can possibly allow that to happen. That's not even cutting off the nose to spite the face, it's cutting of the entire head.
Just to be clear, I fully support kicking out all the teams involved in the Super League. I just don't understand how that's even an option.
Even though I kind of support the whole "kick them (us) out" take, I think it would literally mean the end of a huge amount of clubs in England, and I don't understand how they can possibly allow that to happen. That's not even cutting off the nose to spite the face, it's cutting of the entire head.
Just to be clear, I fully support kicking out all the teams involved in the Super League. I just don't understand how that's even an option.
Everton haven’t.
Since Abramovich bought Chelsea, the only English team, outside of the big 6, who managed to be in UCL is Leicester for a single season (they might qualify this season too). Out of 300 or so attempts, only once it happened.
It was an illusion all along. This just destroys the illusion but not more than that.
On the basis of what they’re forming the league for? Yes. It’s for TV money. Arsenal would attract more viewers than Nottingham Forest. It’s silly to compare them. You can’t say Arsenal don’t deserve it on current form and on the other hand mention Villa, Forest or Everton as being equally deserving. Even if it’s just based on historic sporting merit, Arsenal shit over those sides mostly.
Anyone know how reliable this guy is?
Id add in that all these pundits talking about how bad it is for the game are also on the payrol of Sky and BT who are not exactly neutral parties on the issue given the TV rights they own to the premier eague and CL
The one glimmer of hope I am clinging onto is that if the ESL can be beaten, the Glazers might sell.
feck this voting and get the banners gone, let them have a soulless anfield and old Trafford to play their spoilt rich games in
What gives UEFA the right to determine who should play where? Don't understand this all of a sudden love for UEFA. Fifa wants a similar league for Africa. So most likely it will get ratified. Champions league can continue without them. Also Clubs do need to play in competition ratified by FIfa or UEFA. They have voluntarily removed themselves from European competition. That's about it. If UEFA could, they would have removed them from this year competition. They didn't because legally they can't do anything. Next year is different because these clubs will no longer be member of European club competition. They don't need UEFA permission to play in domestic league
But even the ‘founders’ of this nonsense aren’t trying to claim that’s what this is based on.
West Ham need to call on the GSC.
Everton did make it to 3rd qualifications in 2005 if I am not wrong. That time it wasn't automatic qualifications for 4th place team
Money. They looked at the club's income and said let them in. Leicester as one more PL title than Spurs, but it's all about how much cash can you generate.
To be honest, every club should be boo'ing their own players as though it's an away Champions league game, except the entire stadium boos in this instance (home and away fans).
I would happily boo our own players vs Leeds, and that's not because I think the players are the problem but they can be a big driver of the solution. More than likely they will react to the boo'ing and take a stand internally against the managers and owners and create immense internal pressure to have something changed.
We as fans are extremely limted on how we can express our dissatisfaction - and matchdays are the best time to do it. Banners and half time protests, full time protests, marches are never enough. Very few things are bigger than Manchester United for me, but one of them is Football as a sport itself, and that is under threat right now. As is our club.
I would happily boo our own players vs Leeds, and that's not because I think the players are the problem but they can be a big driver of the solution. More than likely they will react to the boo'ing and take a stand internally against the managers and owners and create immense internal pressure to have something changed.
We as fans are extremely limted on how we can express our dissatisfaction - and matchdays are the best time to do it. Banners and half time protests, full time protests, marches are never enough. Very few things are bigger than Manchester United for me, but one of them is Football as a sport itself, and that is under threat right now. As is our club.
Its not about them, its about us.Flags
Do you think they would ever notice?
Its about us feeling a disconnect from the club.
No, but I’d say they earn enough money and will have enough job opportunities if they leave their current club to atleast make some kind of stand. If they play football because they fell in love with the game, the competiveness of the game and dreamed of playing the champions league etc then it would be the right thing to do stop this for future generations to have their chance.
it’s not as if they’re miners on the breadline striking
You are giving them too much credit. This is a league with no consequences for ending up last. At most we will become the laughing stock of social media when we are regularly on the negative end of 6, 7-0 scorelines but what do the glazers care when their pockets are practically bursting.
Fair play to Harry if true... I mean it's hard to confront someone when they're cowering in fetal position in the corner of a room.
We could see this in our last game when fans are allowed.
That's an excellent post, thank you for taking the time to reply.
Yeah it will lose in quality and get less money, obviously but I don't see it collapsing. The Government will jump in at some point if things really go south. It will also even the odds and actually make it exciting since the gap between the teams will be reduced, opening more opportunities for investors in the long term. The downside would be that the ESL teams getting richer and able to buy more players from the other not so lucky clubs. But then again if the FIA and the UEFA indeed manage to kick them out of every competition, where's the appeal for the players? They'd be reduced to play their same 38 odd games in a season, which can become boring fast, and then go home. Money can't compensate for everything. I can't think of many players willing to give a pass on playing for their country in the Euros, AFCON, Copa or the WC.
Like you said on a domestic level, kicking out the top 6 is doable and I don't see any of the 14 other teams objecting to that. On an international level less so, especially with the EU laws, but I suppose that the FIFA and UEFA won't back down either. They'll give instructions to the FAs to simply not call up the ESL players. Also who's going to be ref in ESL? The FIFA won't let any of their own officiate there.
I'm not fond of an even more watered down CL, or a WC in Qatar, and football needs a shake up but this is pure insanity. Unfairly and arbitrarily closing the shop at the highest level, writing their own rules for their own league, while still wanting to prey on the domestic competitions is a piss take that is never going to happen. I've read that some of the founders don't a rat's ass and even want their players to be banned from the international competitions. That gives weight to your assumption that these people neither are interested nor have a clue about football.
It ain't a FU to the UEFA or the FIFA or the oil clubs or whatever some fans like to sugar-coat it. It's been done to save the indebted big clubs in Italy and Spain and the owners of the english big six (Tottenham, lol) saw an opportunity to make even more money. Nothing more nothing less.
correct and not long before that Newcastle were in it
Leicester have a very real chance of getting there again and who is to say in a few years the likes of Leeds, Villa Or Everton again might not do similar.
It’s the same as always, show that by not giving them any money.