European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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Delano said:
This is my entire problem with the whole situation.

Perez talks about this concept as if it's saving the game? From who? Himself? For being completely unable to manage a club within it's means? For removing equality in his own league?

Then there's our lot, are we saving the game from owners who pile mass amounts of debt onto a club? Or those who run clubs as a second rate organisation, and cry poverty when the performances on the pitch aren't on the same level as they achieved under the greatest manager in football history? A manager who achieved his success in spite of these parasites.

I could do this for practically every club in this "league". But we can all see through it, we all know his has been set up to create a bottomless well of guaranteed cash. Cash to help circumvente the billions these clubs have pissed up the wall through their own incompetence.

Which begs the question, why in the feck are City in here? They are the only Club that is "sustainable" from this who's who of organisational incompetence. They should be the ones who break off, they have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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From City’s perspective I can only imagine, as someone pointed out, it’s a FOMO thing. Possibly also to gain exposure, of course they are much bigger since the takeover but no doubt there are plenty of people in the world (my mum being one of them up until I had to educate her :lol:) who still have only heard of one team from Manchester
 
Zlatan 7 said:
He didn’t mean that, he was just chatting to a mate wasn’t he @cyberman ? Obviously nothing will change and football is going to be bigger and more exciting than ever!!
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Yep. Doubt Perez has the power to change the rules of world football to be honest. 12 are struggling to get the job done as we stand.
 
VorZakone said:
And now they're called Las Vegas Raiders. Keep this shameless Americanization and all their name/stadium shenanigans out of football.
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If we moved our stadium and no longer based ourself in Manchester, are we still going to call ourself Man Utd, or just something like Red Devil’s United?

It’s like playing PES without licensing patch.
 
It would be worse if the Glazers and FSG hung onto this crusade while the rest of the lot chicken out and this ends with us and Liverpool getting points docked in the league.
 
I remember reading Bayern were involved in this tournament discussion. Struggling to find the article. After seeing what they wrote about ESL, I think they will join as a founding member in not too distant future. It wasn't as dismissive as others have done in their press release
 
I want it to happen and fail, we can carry on in the EPL without the big 6. It would have some financial issues likely but eventually things would work out better.

Then the big 6 come back after ESL fails, tail in between their legs realising they need the other 14, and stop been idiots with all the silly ideas, 39th game, overseas games, uneven money share, veto votes etc. Let them back in with 30 point deductions for 4 seasons and 4 year European ban
 
the more you read and listen to all the views the more I come to this conclusion;

If the shithouse 6 do go ahead with their plans to form a superleague, they will not remain part of the EPL.
 
BlackShark_80 said:


Serie A Assembly: "With this much extra money we can't possibly compete with Inter, Milan and Juventus", to which Agnelli replied with: "I see no change, we've been winning for 80 years".
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Fecking hell :lol:

What a twat, sadly he's not entirely wrong though.
 
cyberman said:
Yep. Doubt Perez has the power to change the rules of world football to be honest. 12 are struggling to get the job done as we stand.
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He doesn't have to change the rules of world football. That is the entire point of this.

It is outside the rules of world football, completely independent, and they can do whatever they want in it.
 
Rado_N said:
The “who will risk €12bn in a multi year broadcast deal” question has Amazon written all over it.
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Yip.

I'm sure the broadcast deal will include TV shows like the Spurs documentary. The real kicker is this is an all round year 'series', meaning people will likely pay subscriptions continuously instead of a few months here and there.
 
RedRonaldo said:
If we moved our stadium and no longer based ourself in Manchester, are we still going to call ourself Man Utd, or just something like Red Devil’s United?

It’s like playing PES without licensing patch.
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Red Devil Raiders sponsored by Wallmart and brought to you by Budweiser
 
pratyush_utd said:
They are not freedom fighters. This notion that they should go against their employers publicly is just naive and stupid. No one here will do it. Not sure why it is expected of players and managers
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It's different asking someone who works to put foodon the table to stand up and asking people with millions in the bank to do it.
 
It's a bit weird that there's so much emphasis on money , even in the media. The biggest point against the Super League is the exclusiveness and guaranteed qualification aspect of it, which removes merit out of the equation for the future. They're essentially forming their own cute little club of "big boys".
 
sullydnl said:
Takes some doing to come out of this as the biggest cnut but Agnelli is putting in great work on that front.
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He's right though. The Champions League has been a key driver of massive inequality in the European domestic leagues. The ESL is just following the path that UEFA laid out to its logical end.
 
red4ever 79 said:
the more you read and listen to all the views the more I come to this conclusion;

If the shithouse 6 do go ahead with their plans to form a superleague, they will not remain part of the EPL.
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They are choosing to withdraw themselves from Europe. No way they will move from EPL. There is no compulsion to play CL if you play in EPL. So there are no grounds to remove them. Even UEFA can't do anything.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Hard to say, it would obviously worth less, but never 10%. The rights are currently around £1.5bn per year... you'd probably be looking at half I think, as the EPL brand alone would still be a thing and a big deal.

Looking locally...

Sky pay £200m per year for Prem rights.

They pay roughly £120m per year for Championship rights.

So it certainly won't be 10% locally at least.
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It says in this article Sky pay nearly £1.2b per season for PL rights

https://www.sky.com/help/articles/sky-channel-changes
 
Berbaclass said:
Thus why I said started.
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So let’s just let it roll now then? It’s started. Someone didn’t speak up ten years ago? feck them it’s already started.
It’s never too late to speak out and wanting everything to crumble to just watch it like some soap opera or because no one spoke out before is pretty childish imo.
 
Dennis Viollet said:
Chelsea and City

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Sky will try anything to destabilise this, BBC have said otherwise and I know who I'm trusting. If the clubs existed they'd name them to sow discord. Sky are essentially trying to take down the Super League with wishful thinking.
 
pratyush_utd said:
:lol:

The amount of arrogance is staggering
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It is arrogance, but it is also the truth. The only thing that changes is the illusion that these other teams can compete (long term).

In the words of George Orwell, ‘all teams are equal, but some are more equal than others’. Agnelli is just translating what that means, that teams are not equal and telling the others to feck off.
 
I've sat on the front row of the Stretford End on European Nights against others in this shitty 12 clubs and sat on the back row of the North stand third tier against relegation fodder and I was just as happy to watch either. I don't care who United are playing or what world class names they have. Football is more than just watching Ronaldo and Messi. I''ve sat in disbelief as some teams with no right to beat us walks out of Old Trafford with the points. That's how it should be, not teams like that closed off so they can never embarrass us.

unplayable said:
That's pretty embarrassing tbh.
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No it's good banter. If the 6 were kicked out it would be the best solution anyway.
 
Withnail said:
The story had just broken but it was before the announcement wasnt it and certainly before all the furore. He was able to deflect it as nobody really had much info.
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He did't get it as bad as Klopp, but they were still pricks for putting him in that position by leaking the news before the match.
 
cyberman said:
A thread by someone who doesnt have a clue whats already in place.
We need less hysteria and more substance. Without actual facts football will struggle to legally stop this.
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He is citing numbers. If they're not true, it would be easy to refute them. So why don't you?
 
cyberman said:
Yep. Doubt Perez has the power to change the rules of world football to be honest. 12 are struggling to get the job done as we stand.
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They won’t be playing under the rules of world football will they? Unless fifa crumble too
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Hard to say, it would obviously worth less, but never 10%. The rights are currently around £1.5bn per year... you'd probably be looking at half I think, as the EPL brand alone would still be a thing and a big deal.

Looking locally...

Sky pay £200m per year for Prem rights.

They pay roughly £120m per year for Championship rights.

So it certainly won't be 10% locally at least.
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Wow I didn't realise it was that close. I think the EPL would be fine then given that the money would be more evenly spread so effectively softening the blow.
 
Devil may care said:
It's different asking someone who works to put foodon the table to stand up and asking people with millions in the bank to do it.
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I don't see why bank account difference should matter. Players are normal people who are more talented than us and have earned the money. Why should they do something normal people would not do ?
 
pratyush_utd said:
They are not freedom fighters. This notion that they should go against their employers publicly is just naive and stupid. No one here will do it. Not sure why it is expected of players and managers
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I remember people calling Rashford Prime Minister. How is this different?

These people are not normal workers fighting for day-to-day survival. They can stop now and live better than 99% propel on the planet.

This spiel about them not going against their employer is just another excuse for cowardice and inaction.
 
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