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European Super League
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You can’t tweak what’s not there.
Which fans ? The outrage is only from local fans or legacy fans who built the clubs . This is being planned globally. Manchester united vs Liverpool will play in LA and I doubt the fans in US would care .
I don't see the point of Premier League unless these pricks are all kicked out...
Yep. These owner want the revenue of European football without investment. The slightest risk they don't qualify for the Champions League no matter how shite they are is unacceptable to them. Create a league you can't be relegated from and finish bottom every year for all they care.
What is your point? We should get behind it?
There was a big fuss about the Qatar and Russia World Cups, it was the straw that broke the camels back when it came to public acknowledgment of corruption in football. There is a lot of concern about the growing financial disparity in football, about the Chelseas, the PSGs, the City's, the Barcas, the Real Madrids. People quite clearly detest the commercial and soulless nature of the likes of us and Liverpool, the ridiculous sums of money in football and the wages which come with that.
Football is broken and has been for years. It's just desserts for FIFA, UEFA, the PL and the other domestic leagues, I don't think anybody is arguing that. Nobody is shedding tears for them, we all know what they are. However, it's the fans that lose out here. It's a bunch of billionaires with zero interest in football effectively taking the game away from the fans and calling the shots as they see fit, and if you think the actual football, the sport, the competition, is top of the the agenda for the likes of the Glazers then you're in for a very big shock.
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I honestly doubt it could have happened. Banners and planes would have been childs play in comparison to the reaction to this.
Make it happen. I don't care about all these outrages and crying from UEFA, PL, Sky etc who are crying because they see loss in revenue and hiding behind fake morality and tradition.
As for fans as a whole, almost every new thing whether they'd turn out good or bad have usually always been met with outrage. If this SL works out people will be on board.
As for fans as a whole, almost every new thing whether they'd turn out good or bad have usually always been met with outrage. If this SL works out people will be on board.
IMHO I think they are rather counting initially on the viewership that fans of the ESL clubs who hail from Asia, Africa, Australia, South America, and neutrals will generate. Those who do not have strong ties with the clubs at a local level will not care much about where the team is playing as long as they can see them playing against the best the world has to offer. And there are a lot of these types of fans out there. Hell, even I have been guilty of creating custom leagues in PES which would look suspiciously like the ESL. There are people who would love to see that mirrored in real life.
Eventually, there will be kids who will know only ESL as being the crême de la crême of football, and they won’t have a clue what we “legacy fans” (urgh) are talking about, or even why we cherish the old system so much.
They are playing the long game, but I think that they unfortunately won’t even have to wait that long before being vindicated for their decision to break away.
They've been monopolizing the Bundesliga, so why are they against monopolizing league?
Ståle Solbakken: "Tottenham and Arsenal are currently probably not among the 20-30 best teams in Europe"
Cnuts.
Seconded, as much as it's greed and hate to see it the ethos being destroyed in football, I'm also enjoying seeing UEFA, Fifa and Premier league burning after they've been making a lot of money and allowing the sport to become controlled by sugar daddies.
Didn’t Sir Matt decline an offer to join the 1958/59 European Cup because it was anti the competition? Our team had died when we were top of the league but since we didn’t qualify we didn’t accept the offer.
Now we’re wanting to have permanent access to a new top European competition just because we are rich? Not even that we’re the ones creating the competition completely undermining years and years of history? Pretty insulting to compare to Sir Matt. Those clowns at the top of United are so far out of touch.
Now we’re wanting to have permanent access to a new top European competition just because we are rich? Not even that we’re the ones creating the competition completely undermining years and years of history? Pretty insulting to compare to Sir Matt. Those clowns at the top of United are so far out of touch.
I still can't believe Spurs are in this and not Ajax, Roma or Porto, or basically any great european club.
This is why it’ll work. Everyone kicks up a fuss, but before too long, we just accept it. “Greed always wins, oh well.” Nobody has the bottle to truly fight it.
That would not be sad. would be terrible. My big hope is that this is a big bluff, because they need at least 16 teams to make a runnable full season with league + playoffs. I think agreements will be made, rich will be richer and everybody is happy, except the peripherical leagues.
Porto were asked and quite rightly said no
Yes that could be a long time but I don't trust the likes of Raiola and Mendes to forgo the big payday that this ESL promises and I don't see all the FAs agreeing to ban all the players either. Something will have to give but it would be incredibly incompetent of the rebels to go all in without the buy in of the players and their agents, I would expect that from Woodward but not Perez and Agnelli!
Yeah, but being relegated means they can try again to enter next season because they are still in the UEFA association.
This is like breaking away from a relationship with hotter chick, but you can't go back to your ex situation. Of course the clubs will only accept security for their participation.
Because Spurs are financially more valuable than those 3.
Yeah feck all the other teams in the world. Football doesn't exist outside of these 12 teams.
You shouldn't worry about that, it's like the NFL the incentive is TV money and making sure that the ESL attracts eyeballs. The incentive is money and the other owners are the ones pushing for investment.
FFS. I'm so wound up over this I've forgotten basic reading comprehension.
It's pretty hilarious that this supposedly great European Super League counts three teams from London among its 12 members too. Not exactly a broad idea of what makes a super league.
They have a content to sell like a TV show with endless seasons. I think it will have the appeal on the midterm. I really hope it never happens because it would be a very strong focal point for football to rely on, and it would mean the second and thir tier leagues would just become weaker because tv money would be spread all over.
Good luck to them getting those figures when 50%+ of loyal fans will boycott this abomination. Do they really believe fair-weather fans will pump that much capital into the game, and on an annual basis at that?
No chance.
What is with the warning sign about inciting violence. Some members on here taking this news too seriously 
I believe going into next season clubs that decided to join this league should be deducted 20 points from next season campaign and have players banned from international competition, to set an example.
I believe going into next season clubs that decided to join this league should be deducted 20 points from next season campaign and have players banned from international competition, to set an example.
What's this UEFA plonker going to do if his 'legals' tell him that he can't ban players from their tournament?
I think that it is obvious such a super league is now driven by greed and power when you look at it on the smaller scale, however, there is something else happening on the bigger scale. This is an international issue that started with American and Chinese businessmen affiliated with their corresponding governments slowly moving into the European football scene because it is a treasure for Europe that has made it stand out sport wise and even political and financial wise. That meant Europe is losing influence over its own scene and now they are making the bigger move specifically the Americans since the Chinese involvement is always merely superficial.
However that doesn’t mean that Americans are overreaching here. I mean just look at most of the responses: they’re ruining football, football is dead, money is now taking over, etc etc. but what football are they talking about? European football only? Football is or at least should be a worldwide sport and living of glories of the past is what made European football an attraction to sport fans worldwide which left the asian and African and American scene neglected. Isn’t living of the glory of the past what allowed Europe to capitalize economically and politically? yes the way the European super league is taking off now is pure greed business but this is only a more vulgar and sudden extension of the pure greed and business and power that controlled this sport. Dont get me wrong, what I hate about such a super league is how some players might now earn crazy wages when they don’t even deserve the big wages they earn now, while other players might not earn anything.
But there is a silver lining if this is fixed. If such a super league doesn’t only force a flux of finances from “lower” clubs and “lower” players but instead helps establish super leagues in the south Americas and Asia and all over the world and thus instead of having players earn triple what they earn now, have some go to mls or other super leagues to strengthen them and maybe create secondary leagues as well in each area. In other words, domestic leagues will become obsolete and it would be as if the whole world sport-wise becomes smaller and more connected.
However that doesn’t mean that Americans are overreaching here. I mean just look at most of the responses: they’re ruining football, football is dead, money is now taking over, etc etc. but what football are they talking about? European football only? Football is or at least should be a worldwide sport and living of glories of the past is what made European football an attraction to sport fans worldwide which left the asian and African and American scene neglected. Isn’t living of the glory of the past what allowed Europe to capitalize economically and politically? yes the way the European super league is taking off now is pure greed business but this is only a more vulgar and sudden extension of the pure greed and business and power that controlled this sport. Dont get me wrong, what I hate about such a super league is how some players might now earn crazy wages when they don’t even deserve the big wages they earn now, while other players might not earn anything.
But there is a silver lining if this is fixed. If such a super league doesn’t only force a flux of finances from “lower” clubs and “lower” players but instead helps establish super leagues in the south Americas and Asia and all over the world and thus instead of having players earn triple what they earn now, have some go to mls or other super leagues to strengthen them and maybe create secondary leagues as well in each area. In other words, domestic leagues will become obsolete and it would be as if the whole world sport-wise becomes smaller and more connected.
Interestingly enough, the German teams Bayern, BVD and Leipzig as well as Porto and PSG have refused, the first 4 have issued official statement backing the UEFA CL new format instead. Without Bayern, that battle would have been lost. Now, it's still unbalanced but maybe there is a rapport de force to look for.
I think the founding clubs, backed with millions of research and investment developing this will always predict this outcomes. The backlash, betrayal to football as what the media is suggesting.
To join something new by breaking away from established organization, they must have some form of security. I believe that is why there is no relegation for them. This is suicidal risk, and they all know it.
But do you think it's fair for the players? What did they do wrong here? Professionally respecting their contracts?
Do you think it's right to arrest the child of a kidnapper and tell him you'll harm his child if he won't release the hostage?
If they ban the clubs, would the broadcasters have a right to challenge the money they have to pay uefa and the leagues? There's so many strings to this web.
Well, there was a similar clash in European basketball two decades ago, and the records are still there. While it's true we might be closer to a post-orwellian world more than in the past, that does not mean we will reach that extreme situation you describe.
Would anybody be so kind as to give a few bullet points of the developments/key bits from today?
I think the SL have only 2 options here, call quits and say was late April's fool or invite more teams to a no-relegation scheme because a team will not play as a guest 1 year and then playing on a lower division the next since they would be kicked from the top division. A league may not able to kick the team out but would be able to relegate that team to a lower division. In this scenario they will have to add more teams from countries like Netherlands and Portugal for example, Ajax has more CL wins than United, Inter, Chelsea and Juventus. In a situation like that FIFA will make a lot of noise but wouldn't ban any player because they need them to make money when basically all the best national teams couldn't have their best players.
I don't really see how that article supports your point beyond City sparing no expense. You're implying UEFA lost that case because they had worse lawyers, while at the same time saying the facts were on city's side.
I still think UEFA has enough money to employ lawyers of the highest standard.
Haha. 50%. You're about to learn something about crowds. Unless this is a satirical/sarcastic post.