European Super League

[justsomebloke]

I think this sums it up quite well. I also can’t understand why any United fan is not finding Arsenal and Liverpool potentially missing out on CL football one of the highlights of the season. Why the hell would you want an alternative reality where that can never happen?!

Actually, the truth is the complete opposite. In the NA system, rich teams are frequently shit, and they can afford to be, because they're in the same competition anyway. And in any case nobody expects them to be always good, because it basically isn't possible to be a dominant team perpetually no matter how rich you are. Take the Toronto Maple Leafs. Biggest, richest hockey club in the world, with the most fans. Not won a title since the 1960s.

What the Americans can't fathom is a rich club actually having to be good in order to have access to the top level of competition.

 

[cyberman]

Berlusconi suggested it as far back as the 1980's.

Exactly. Blaming the Americans doesnt make sense and is low hanging fruit. Peter Kenyon wasnt exactly fron Texas. Perez the Atlanta native..

 

[crossy1686]

What makes a giant of the game? Surely its the team that won the league last year? What is the point if you're Leicester or someone like that now? What about if you're a supporter of a div 2 club that dreams one day of Champions League glory - fighting against the old aristocrats of Real Madrid and so on. Thats been deprived of people now. This idea kills dreams - for a fecking exhibition of some commercially relevant, rich clubs in a competition with no meaning.

It's a relative term that is based on support on a global basis

 

[Jack-C20]

In fairness they haven’t picked up a single point in the Super League yet so warranted I’d say. Haven’t even scored a goal!

 

[::sonny::]

 

[ayushreddevil9]

So I could wander around like a child and not be worried, concerned, or aware of things. Does wonders for your mental health.

Right

 

[crossy1686]

The best teams? You mean the richest teams? This has absolutely feck all to do with the "best teams".

Scrap transfers and introduce a wage cap then? The governing bodies could have done that a long time ago but they were making massive amounts of coin. Now they're about to be put to the sword by their own hand.

 

[Ixion]

Ban all 12 from European competitions from now on till this new competition happens. If they don't want to be part of it then don't be.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Appears Jose has been sacked as well.

That'd be just like Levy. Could have done that any time, does it now to deflect a little attention.

(And he was never staying anyway. Especially in an ESL).

 

[VorZakone]

It's a relative term that is based on support on a global basis

And this Super League kills other teams' efforts for gaining a bigger global fanbase because all the prestige and money has been secured by 15 clubs.

 

[JPRouve]

I don't think it sums it up well at all. Americans don't have the concept of rich and poor teams because they operate onder a salary cap, every team is equal and has the same amount of money to spend. Franchises are valued differently but in essence no team is richer than another one in the same league.

Teams are richer than others but it's not comparable to football. What you describe only really applies to the NFL due to the hard cap and the fact that teams make a lot of money and owners rarely have to make actual business decisions that aren't led by the league itself. But if you take the MLB, NBA and NHL, there are definitely rich and poor teams, it's reflected in how certain teams do everything to lower their wage bills as much as possible and in the case of the NBA certain owners don't want to have anything to do with luxury taxes while others don't mind it too much. If you look at MLB budgets the gaps are pretty big for example the Dodgers have a 26 man roster worth 211m while the Tigers are at 47m.

 

[Blades1889]

Give Sheffield United our spot in the final if we get booted. We beat them in the Quarters.

Thank, but no thanks

 

[AneRu]

I haven't missed the point at all. Champions league and Europa League would still exist and the likes of Everton and Southampton would actually qualify for that, at least some what regularly.

Those clubs would actually get European games. You may look down on the quality but that's a seperate point.

Everton vs Dortmund
West Ham vs Roma
Southampton vs Ajax

You telling me the fans of those clubs would boycott that because they've don't qualify for a different competition? Would they not receive more TV money and gate revenue as a result? Even if its less than what the cl currently pays, it's still more than those clubs currently recieve, is it not?

They may not play in the super league, but they will actually be playing European competition, with far, far more regularity than they ever have a chance to currently.

When did Everton last play in Europe? How many European nights has Goodison seen in the last 20 years? What if Everton now play in the champions league for 3 out of the next 4 years?

The CL without 6 of the traitorous 12 will be hollow and won't be as lucrative as most of the sponsors will migrate to the ESL. So yeah they will play in Europe but it won't be as impactful as playing in this current version.

Eventually the domestic leagues will die too because clubs in the ESL will hoard all the talented players and they won't have as much incentive to go all out for the local league games when they have a date with Real Madrid in Beijing on Wednesday.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Scrap transfers and introduce a wage cap then? The governing bodies could have done that a long time ago but they were making massive amounts of coin. Now they're about to be put to the sword by their own hand.

So you're saying salary caps are legal in Europe?

Sure?

 

[Mickeza]

I don't think it sums it up well at all. Americans don't have the concept of rich and poor teams because they operate onder a salary cap, every team is equal and has the same amount of money to spend. Franchises are valued differently but in essence no team is richer than another one in the same league.

Yeah. Let’s add the “Greedy Americans who have no concept of equality” to the crushing hypocrisy list. The ESL just takes everything the PL is to a higher level.

 

[dinostar77]

 

[Tom Cato]

Maybe Watford would be a good club to follow, at least as long as Ben Foster keeps doing Youtube videos

 

[MDFC Manager]

Your delusional mate. I'm amazed by the naivety and plastic nature of fans on this website.

We shall see. No way is the PL kicking the 6 out.

 

[Ventura]

I see why Spurs wanted in on this, they needed the cash to fire Jose.

 

[crossy1686]

And this Super League kills other teams' efforts for gaining a bigger global fanbase because all the prestige and money has been secured by 15 clubs.

Other competitions will still go ahead, or are you suggesting they're worthless without the 'big' teams?

 

[christinaa]

The Super League is not good news.
We should not join the rebel clubs.

 

[Devil may care]

He seems the type to go on a massive rant about this. Hope I'm right.

I was thinking the same, if there is one manager that has the balls to stand up against this garbage it's Klopp.

 

[Tom Cato]

José the Redeemer?

 

[Withnail]

I never said they haven't done that and I don't agree with what they do, if you're going to quote me at least keep the thread on track

You can't even keep track of your own bullshit.

The Glazers have spent more money than ever in the last 8 years so that doesn't hold true at all. I don't care what Arsenal do either, good luck to them

they have also taken more money than ever out.

No they haven't?

 

[TMDaines]

Sir Alex Ferguson’s thoughts:

Spoiler: Context

 

[Ixion]

Yeah. Let’s add the “Greedy Americans who have no concept of equality” to the crushing hypocrisy list. The ESL just takes everything the PL is to a higher level.

I dont recall the PL having no relegation?

 

[crossy1686]

Hahaha sacked for moral high ground before he was pushed. What a guy, what a character, never misses an opportunity to look good.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Typical mourinho making the best of the situation for himself

 

[Rightnr]

Leave it to Mourinho to start the bust-up.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Rebel scum!

 

[Withnail]

Do they get away with not paying him the 30m due to gross misconduct or some such loophole?

 

[MDFC Manager]

Hahaha sacked for moral high ground before he was pushed. What a guy, what a character, never misses an opportunity to look good.

Typical Mourinho! Now watch him go and preach some sermons.

 

[crossy1686]

You can't even keep track of your own bullshit.

I'll keep track of it for you. Glazers was implied as the club spending money, not Joel Glazer literally going into his wallet, pulling out the club card and handing it over to Woodward to do some shopping.

 

[dinostar77]

Rebel scum!

Hahahaha. Brilliant.

 

[crossy1686]

Typical Mourinho! Now watch him go and preach some sermons.

And then get employed by a club in the SL

 

[bsCallout]

Should expel all associated clubs from all European competitions, and provide a bye to all opponents, with immediate effect.

feck everyone. Including United.

Also, even though it isn't domestic, there should be some severe repercussions there, too.

What does that help? Those clubs will then just go and create the league anyway.

 

[VorZakone]

Other competitions will still go ahead, or are you suggesting they're worthless without the 'big' teams?

Of course these competitions will significantly drop in value because these 15 clubs will never play in them. No Man Utd or Arsenal in the Europa League anymore. No Ajax - Spurs semifinals like in 2019. As a result the prize money will plummet.

 

[mancan92]

Nope, you don't have to be American to see the sense in this

You pretty much have to there is absolutely no benefit from a competitive or entertainment standpoint. The only benefit is money for the clubs involved.

 

[Rolandofgilead]

yeah, this was all my idea lads, I'll take the blame for this one

Not the idea obviously.

But your idiotic rhetoric that is basically just trolling at this point as you stopped making any semblance of sense last night.

But no, the attitude you display, the arrogant ramblings of an entitled boy. The fact that you can't see anything past United and quire clearly don't give a feck about football on the whole.

And perhaps even more alarmingly, you quite clearly don't give a shit about the history of the club you claim to support.

I'd never noticed you around the forum before, I miss those days.

 

[Withnail]

I'll keep track of it for you. Glazers was implied as the club spending money, not Joel Glazer literally going into his wallet, pulling out the club card and handing it over to Woodward to do some shopping.

Ok so you're just a liar and a wum.

You disagreed with someone who said they'd taken out more than ever. Perhaps you misread or misinterpreted what they said. If you can't even admit you said something you didn't mean then there isn't any point.

Rather than de-rail the thread further I'll just put you on ignore.