So I could wander around like a child and not be worried, concerned, or aware of things. Does wonders for your mental health.
European Super League
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I doubt anybody at the club had a clue what's going on apart from those in the Glazer circle. Sir Alex sounded surprised and had no clue if United were involved which says it all considering he's on the bloody board!
Wait, so you're saying that the only reason people are angry, is because the media are angry?
Dude. That is so wildly dishonest.
The only reason PSG owners aren't for it is it will completely mess up the 2022 world cup which they've just spent however many billions organising.
I never said they haven't done that and I don't agree with what they do, if you're going to quote me at least keep the thread on track
Finally, there aren't following orders
It's a leveraged buyout of an entire continental industry by US finance to control and monopolise it. If you support it you are a mark, a paypig, a soulless consoomer. And you're #1 with a bullet crossy
Because you seem to think they've been gifted this by some sort of lottery, whereas I see it as giants of the game being asked to compete against each other for our entertainment
Oh, I think there is a lot of room for improvement... I liked the idea of the guy who suggested the major European leagues would all feed into the superleague with relegation in and out of it.
However, I'm guessing the major players wouldn't take the risk because they don't want to tarnish their brands by having to play even a year in the now Championship version of the Premier League. If you have a league with only the elite... someone's gotta go down... and nobody wanted it to be them.
That would be the fairest way to do it... but the clubs in the Super League have become too big to fail as they say about the American financial giants.
Its not a competitor league though is it? It is a cartel. Ban them I say. I wonder if there is a way of stopping the TV contract through Ofcom.
Oh, you're coming out on the offensive now.
I would suggest people fighting this disgrace are the ones aware of what's at stake.
I'd suggest it's the 'sheep' that are happy for all other football clubs to fail as 'I'm alright Jack' and would represent the future fan these people are relying to line their pockets.
So take a minute and think why your opinion is so strongly opposed. You are not some Messiah bringing the knowledge to the masses of the uneducated and unenlightened, you are part of the people that enable a takeover by a cabal of rich and ruthless excuses for a human being.
I also thought about the fact that if the Super league games were banned from other competitions, Ligue 1 and Bundesliga could take a fair share of Serie A, PL and Liga TV deals since one league is during the week and the others are on weekends. I wouldn't be surprised if the handful of billionaires owning french clubs aren't wondering if they can exploit the division that other leagues are suffering, same with the Bundesliga.
Yes, I'm very fine with that. Only recently us the great elite club, founding father and saviour of football, lost to Istanbul Bahshshaakweir and ultimately failed to get out of the group. Other elite club the Tottenham Cocks lost to Zagreb. It's a sport first and foremost and every club has an opportunity, if managed right, to tests itself against the best. Every club from EVERY country. Of course you might think eastern europe doesn't deserve to exist, I don't know.
How did this just come out of nowhere? Announced one Sunday when
That isn’t even touching on the main moral argument, which is to ask why we or anyone else thinks we have a god given right to be in this new league. We haven’t been good enough to qualify for the champions league for any 2 consecutive seasons out of the last 8. And yet we want to hop over the others and hoover up money based on history, not merit. Football is all about the present - it’s why we take the piss out of clubs like Liverpool when they used to go on about how good they used to be. The point being nobody gives a shit if you’re 8th right now! It’s all about what you did this season. Well not anymore because that doesn’t matter. Whatever happens now, you’re in the same league playing the same teams. No relegation, nothing to play for beyond the top 2-3 teams. Where’s the excitement in that, when nothing can change based on results? You might as well not bother.
Plus there’s the tiny matter of us turning our back on 20 league titles and 3 European cups, deciding we’d sacrifice all that for a few quid. We’re basically selling out, using all that history as a ticket to gain entry to this table of football masons who want to pull the ladder up and leave the rest out in the cold. It’s completely against the spirit of competition.
Let’s say your favourite day of the week is Friday, right? It’s the end of a tough week, and you love getting home and having a well earned beer to signal the weekend. Well, why don’t you just quit your job and then it’s Friday every day? Beer is cheap, have it all the time. It would be just as good, right? My point is it’s not about the thing itself, it’s the context surrounding it. If we binned off the PL and just played Madrid and Barcelona every week it would lose something.
That isn’t even touching on the main moral argument, which is to ask why we or anyone else thinks we have a god given right to be in this new league. We haven’t been good enough to qualify for the champions league for any 2 consecutive seasons out of the last 8. And yet we want to hop over the others and hoover up money based on history, not merit. Football is all about the present - it’s why we take the piss out of clubs like Liverpool when they used to go on about how good they used to be. The point being nobody gives a shit if you’re 8th right now! It’s all about what you did this season. Well not anymore because that doesn’t matter. Whatever happens now, you’re in the same league playing the same teams. No relegation, nothing to play for beyond the top 2-3 teams. Where’s the excitement in that, when nothing can change based on results? You might as well not bother.
Plus there’s the tiny matter of us turning our back on 20 league titles and 3 European cups, deciding we’d sacrifice all that for a few quid. We’re basically selling out, using all that history as a ticket to gain entry to this table of football masons who want to pull the ladder up and leave the rest out in the cold. It’s completely against the spirit of competition.
Spurs and City being labeled a European leading clubs proves past achievements mean nothing.
The best, obviously. But that's not the question.
The question is how much are they willing to pay to back the winner over the rest when the rest are forever enshrined as one of the elite clubs regardless? And is that extra amount enough to justify large investment by the Glazers into the club to regularly compete for and win the SL, or small enough that not making that investment offers a more stable line of profit that isn't dependent on sporting results.
Do we expect any punishments to get rolled out today?
Oh I dislike PSG more than anyone so I'm sure their motives are purely selfish. Still, they're on the right side of history on this one.
They're not being asked though, they're organising it themselves.
There's no going back from here. United are all in.
We'd best get used to the idea of an ESL.
I’m curious how this will effect three out of four teams currently in the CL semi-finals?
UEFA are havinga meeting. Some possibility that the breakout clubs will be banned from the european competitions.
Would be nice if Premier Leauge levied some real punishment on the big6 as well. The more points deducted the better.
Enough to help Sheffield United stay in the Prem.
If it was all meant to be posturing from these clubs, they might find they have shot themselves in the foot.
I'm sure I will enjoy the SL, I'm sure most of you in here will but won't admit it. In fact, I think most of the world will which is why this is going ahead in the first place. I've spent an unhealthy amount of money on United, I've been to watch them in two European cup finals and many away days and I will continue to do so now we might actually play against someone I'd be interested in watching us play against.
Can we please stop feeding this attention whore. Bugger off now man
After reading this thread, I have really come to understand why massive inequality is generally accepted, unchecked capitalism is left unchallenged, and billionaires are able to just do as they please.
#eattherich
#eattherich
These clubs are there because they have the largest fan following. I am interested (not supportive) of Superleague founders' argument that legacy fans are not the future. Ticketing income is already dwarfed by TV rights income...
There is a clear lack of interest from young people in football. They consume it differently. They favour individuals like CR7. It makes sense because one player that you like will change clubs. The era of Giggs and Scholes and one-club players is dying. Even Messi wants to join Man City. Fast forward a few years and ticketing business model will not look the same in that format.
From a sporting viewpoint, of course it makes no sense. From a fandom angle, these clubs are 12 of the most popular on Earth.
Genuinely interested to hear any Manchester residents here and whether their offspring are as much into football as they are.
In all seriousness, I'm surprised there's no Ajax or PSV at the very least?Point is, who decides the criteria? It's just money. Take money out of it and Id say Schalke and HSV would even be better candidates than Leipzig.
It's just a big fat feck you to fans of all, but these 12 clubs. Upsets like Leicester winning the title or Porto winning the CL or comebacks where a club escapes certainr elegation is what makes football great. Now they just remove relegation and promotion in favor of these few clubs getting richer and richer and richer until it's all about 12 clubs.
Im sure it will be a commercial success mind you, but it sounds fecking soulles.
Unless Feyenoord can join, then I'm all in.
So you are fine with the giants of this moment completely securing their position for the future by taking merit out of the equation. Now Spurs will never have to fear being overtaken financially by maybe Leicester or Everton.
Oh wait, your response will be that Leicester or Everton may be included in this group of exclusive clubs who automatically qualify.
Should expel all associated clubs from all European competitions, and provide a bye to all opponents, with immediate effect.
feck everyone. Including United.
Also, even though it isn't domestic, there should be some severe repercussions there, too.
feck everyone. Including United.
Also, even though it isn't domestic, there should be some severe repercussions there, too.
Nobody will get punished. They'll come to some sort of agreement.
The Premier League can't exist without the big six. Same as the Champions League can't exist without the 12.
You are the problem.
PSG wins it by default, then gives the finger to FIFA after the 2022 WC and joins the Super League.
Would be the only silver lining to this whole thing, that City definitely aren't winning it
Can you imagine how Pep and Tuchel will feel if they are kicked out, how Ole and Arteta will feel. They have professional pride.
I do think the tv channels have a cheek with their moral high ground when they wanted us to pay Pay per view during the pandemic to watch the premiere league.
Hopefully they are banned and PSG crowned champions.
Of there is a complete break between the UEFA competitions and the SL then the FIFA clearances become worthless and the transfer markets within the UEFA/FA cluster would be at the mercy of the ESL clubs, why? Rather than negotiate with clubs, the ESL clubs will just encourage their transfer targets to break their contracts and payoff the value of the remaining years then join as free agents.
A full blown rebellion will be costly to UEFA, FAs and the Leagues. Imagine the fallout, with the broadcasters who pay billions to broadcast these matches, if three of the current CL semi finalists are thrown out or if the top six is thrown out! I can see next season failing to kick off if the big clubs stick to their guns and the confederations will have to come to the negotiating table, imo.
I think this sums it up quite well. I also can’t understand why any United fan is not finding Arsenal and Liverpool potentially missing out on CL football one of the highlights of the season. Why the hell would you want an alternative reality where that can never happen?!
Let's say the minimum you could make by finishing bottom of the SL is £350m, and lets say the maximum you could make is £1.5b for finishing first. What do you think the summers investment will be like?