European Super League

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Withnail said:
Ok so you're just a liar and a wum.

You disagreed with someone who said they'd taken out more than ever. Perhaps you misread or misinterpreted what they said. If you can't even admit you said something you didn't mean then there isn't any point.

Rather than de-rail the thread further I'll just put you on ignore.
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You do that lad.

Just to clarify for anyone else that wants to make this bullshit claim. I’m aware the Galzers have taken money out of the club, I don’t agree with it. I’m also not naïve enough to think owners will empty their bank balances so we can have nice players. And I’ve always implied the club have spent money under their ‘ownership’, not that them themselves have added funds to the pot.

Go back and check all my posts on the matter if you think for a second I’m lying or wumming
 
crossy1686 said:
Just remember that when the SL kicks off that you’re not allowed to watch it or enjoy it in any capacity, otherwise you’ve been morally corrupted and sold out.

That’s a strong stance to take but can’t say didn’t expect a holier than thou perspective from some
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Not a problem. Except I actually work in football and I'm not starving myself. No doubt I will be tasked with covering this shit house at some point.

But seeing as you are still trying to wind people up at this time..

@Grinner you love banning people that disagree with you, never has a poster been eager for your hammer
 
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I look forward to seeing Leicester earn their way into this, win the thing, and then get relegated because the 12 teams below them can't be relegated.
 
Zexstream said:
Personally, I don't know what the fuss is?

It's literally replacing the European Football Competition with another Group of people running it.

In my lifetime I have seen Premier League clubs leave the Football League and set up their own league, I have seen the Champions League evolve from the European cup.

People say it's not fair, it's all about money, well sadly that is what football has become, Teams desperate to qualify for the Champions League because of the money we make.

Out of the top 6 in England, how many of those clubs in the rest of the league have qualified for the champions league over the past 20 years, about 4-5 other clubs?

Even this year Manchester United is on the verge of winning the Uefa cup when we didn't even win qualify for it, our placement is based on Uefa trying to keep the big elite clubs in European Competition when knocked out of the Champions League.

Football was ruined when we started allowing Billionaires to start buying up clubs as toys.
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2 clubs : Everton (2005 i think) and Leicester (When they won the league)

Essentially this makes way for all 6 which used to qualify in different years, to play regular European football.
 
altodevil said:
It's exactly the same. You're talking a load of nonsense. The American owners of the big football teams will think playing some Belarus team in the UCL just as absurd. Totally different levels in the same competition, which just doesn't exist in the US.
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If you think that, you are fundamentally ignorant of how NA professional sports work.
 
sullydnl said:
Where did you pull those figures from? As reported yesterday the winners would get approx. 30m extra in terms of direct reward, with the bulk of the money gained being awarded just for competing in the group stages. As opposed to the CL, where the difference is 120m. In other words winning has directly been devalued and there's no consequence to finishing bottom.

How would that translate into winning the SL suddenly being worth an extra 1.15 billion?
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Have you accounted for external sponsorships off the back of being the best team in the super league? Or are we talking just prize funds here?
 
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Zlatan 7 said:
Mother of god.

I’m not happy United are involved in this and it’s looking quite real now
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United are the best example of why this is happening. A team whose owners' concerns are solely financial to the point where the team has been neglected enough to be missing out on the top European stage year after year despite mass commercial appeal, so they just create a competition where you don't have to worry about qualifying. They don't care about the competition or the history of the game.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Wait until they are told they won't able to play in the Euros, or the next world cup.
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FIFA aren't in charge of the FA. They can't dictate to national teams who they can and cannot pick in their team. The FAs could all have a gentleman's agreement not to pick anyone who plays in the super league. If it is the FA's choice then no one can really complain about it.

But the second someone loses their nerve and picks a Harry Kane or Mbappe then that goes out of the window too. Can you imagine a Euros and the level of interest in it, with players from Everton and below? A Spain a team without any players from Barcelona or the Madrid clubs?

That is an empty threat from where I sit. Even if they somehow managed to go through it once with no legal ramifications, it won't happen a second time. Sponsors and TV broadcasters won't want to pay for something that doesn't involve the best players
 
Zaphod2319 said:
American Salary Cap keeps getting brought up. It is not an end all cap on spending for players. If you exceed the cap, you pay a dollar for dollar fine to the league but keep your shiny new player. Wealthy clubs just factor in the cost of the fine as a part of acquiring a needed player. It really only punishes the less wealthy clubs who cannot afford the cap fine.

the rich still get richer.
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No you don't, only the NBA has a luxury tax. The NFL and NHL have a hard cap while the MLB doesn't have a salary cap.
 
Seems all of the big sports papers are against it as well (L'Equipe, Gazzetta dello Sport, etc). Hopefully they'll just completely ignore this bullshit competition, that could have major impact on its finances.
 
Can this even be walked back at this stage? Even if this doesn't happen, will everyone just forget this ever happened?
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Not a problem. Except I actually work in football and I'm not starving myself. No doubt I will be tasked with covering this shit house at some point.

But seeing as you are still trying to wind people up at this time..

@Grinner you love banning people that disagree with you, never has a poster been eager for your hammer
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So you’ll be taking the SL coin then? You could refuse and take the moral high ground?

And resorting to banning because you disagree with my stance on the SL being a good thing for Manchester United is hilarious.

If you’re annoyed by me offering an alternate perspective on the SL then it’s on you.
 
duffer said:
Nobody will get punished. They'll come to some sort of agreement.

The Premier League can't exist without the big six. Same as the Champions League can't exist without the 12.
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Sadly yes this will be what happens, the PL, UEFA, FIFA etc. will just eat shit and like it.

This Super league is the top clubs just making it public that they have all the power.
 
JSArsenal said:
FIFA aren't in charge of the FA. They can't dictate to national teams who they can and cannot pick in their team. The FAs could all have a gentleman's agreement not to pick anyone who plays in the super league. If it is the FA's choice then no one can really complain about it.

But the second someone loses their nerve and picks a Harry Kane or Mbappe then that goes out of the window too. Can you imagine a Euros and the level of interest in it, with players from Everton and below? A Spain a team without any players from Barcelona or the Madrid clubs?

That is an empty threat from where I sit. Even if they somehow managed to go through it once with no legal ramifications, it won't happen a second time. Sponsors and TV broadcasters won't want to pay for something that doesn't involve the best players
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Jesus christ.

Fifa runs the world cup, OF COURSE they can say who is eligible for it and who is not.

Every FA in the world is a FIFA affiliate, that is how they take part in international competition.
 
Does anyone know what the time frames of this will be?

The ESL said the season will start as soon "as practicable". I think the English teams are playing a straight bat at the moment and assuming (or pretending) that they will still be involved in domestic league football. It is inevitable they will be threatened with expulsion although the Super League teams have already considered that no doubt. The fact that all the riches clubs in Europe bar PSG and Munich have signed up makes them think the domestic leagues cannot afford to throw them out.....we will see.

Are there no contracts with the TV broadcaster that have to be honoured e.g. Sky? BT? If clubs are thrown out of the Premiership then would Sky have a legal claim to claw back some of the money they have paid out?
 
crossy1686 said:
Have you accounted for external sponsorships of the back of being the best team in the super league? Or are we talking just prize funds here?
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While there is no doubt performing well in ESL will give better sponsor, issue being talked about is competition money. CL rewards team who go further and thus payment is mostly based on merit. Sponsor stuff is true even for CL. Not sure why you cant see the fault in the ESL way of money distribution
 
UEFA couldn't uphold City's UCL ban. They'll do nothing against the big 6.

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Wednesday at Stoke said:
From their perspective, they are the ones paying large salaries, transfer fees, agent commissions etc and they think why should they be investing all this money when finishing 5th in a competitive league would rob them of champions league competition and revenue when some backwater club in Ukraine can get in by winning a mickey mouse league. Its not an idea that's totally out of order.
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The idea is bang out of order, hence the almost universal condemnation. Football is not their invention, nor are these clubs, these cnuts are parasites and do not deserve your empathy.
 
There are dozens of pundits at the moment trying to boost their profile by replicating the Gary Neville clip and getting a viral video on the back of this. Each one is more outraged than the last.
 
pratyush_utd said:
While there is no doubt performing well in ESL will give better sponsor, issue being talked about is competition money. CL rewards team who go further and thus payment is mostly based on merit. Sponsor stuff is true even for CL. Not sure why you cant see the fault in the ESL way of money distribution
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I never said there wasn’t a fault with the money being distributed in the SL but people keep suggesting there’s zero reason to buy players when we can finish 15th and pick up £350m. I’m saying there’s a LOT of motivation to invest and finish 1st
 
crossy1686 said:
Have you accounted for external sponsorships of the back of being the best team in the super league? Or are we talking just prize funds here?
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That 30m is the prize fund.

But again, why would sponsors make up the 1.15 billion shortfall in your figures? How does that represent value for them over paying 1.15 billion less on a different elite team that's in the competition forever anyway and has a guaranteed number of games against the other elite clubs?

Once you devalue winning (as the SL does by not only awarding less for winning but removing the consequences of losing) then you devalue what sponsors gain from backing the team that wins. The value of the SL lies in being involved, not in winning it.
 
https://thesuperleague.com/

Unless this is fake that suggests it will only replace the Champions League. And if that's true I'm all for it. UEFA is corrupt to the core and make so much money off the back of the clubs. It's about time there was a shake up really. Although I still think there should be an independent body, rather than club owners managing the league.
 
sullydnl said:
That 30m is the prize fund.

But again, why would sponsors make up the 1.15 billion shortfall in your figures? How does that represent value for them over paying 1.15 billion less on a different elite team that's in the competition forever anyway and has a guaranteed number of games against the other elite clubs?

Once you devalue winning (as the SL does by not only awarding less for winning but removing the consequences of losing) then you devalue what sponsors gain from backing the team that wins.
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If this truly is going to be a global league that’s watched all around the world there will be untapped markets in America and China that will result in huge sponsorships.

United’s annual revenue right now is still less than Tesco makes in one quarter. There’s a tonne of room for growth opportunity
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Isn't that a problem in itself?
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Yes of course its a massive problem for football, but we've known for a long time that the top clubs were pulling UEFA's strings.

With the route football has been going the last 30 years a breakaway like this was inevitable. (accelerated by Oil states buying clubs).

The last PL rights deal is the first time it went down, now with the financial hit of Covid. These clubs have decided to pull the trigger to secure their place at the top of football.

I don't like it but everyone involved with football is to blame. If English clubs were't owned by foreign billionaires then i doubt this happens. But sadly the Governemnt/PL/FA/UEFA didn't give a feck who was buying english clubs over the last 20 years.
 
Josep Dowling said:
https://thesuperleague.com/

Unless this is fake that suggests it will only replace the Champions League. And if that's true I'm all for it. UEFA is corrupt to the core and make so much money off the back of the clubs. It's about time there was a shake up really. Although I still think there should be an independent body, rather than club owners managing the league.
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You’re very late to the party my friend. This was always the case until the FA told us we’d be kicked out of domestic competitions if we joined the SL
 
crossy1686 said:
So when I do it it’s disgusting and I’m everything that wrong with football? Got it...
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If you want to separate yourself from them because you think you're inherently better and more worthy than them, yes..? There's a big difference between football tribalism and 'banter' and wanting to start your own, exclusive 'super' league ffs. It's funded by JP Morgan mate, can you seriously not see that money is the only driving force behind this?
 
MDFC Manager said:
The leagues will come around though, whether UEFA does or not. There's no way the PL would want to lose their 6 biggest and most watched clubs. It is even more skewed when it comes to La Liga.
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I know yeah. I can’t see that I he premiere league has a future without the big 6.
Spain and Italy the same.
 
Josep Dowling said:
https://thesuperleague.com/

Unless this is fake that suggests it will only replace the Champions League. And if that's true I'm all for it. UEFA is corrupt to the core and make so much money off the back of the clubs. It's about time there was a shake up really. Although I still think there should be an independent body, rather than club owners managing the league.
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That's what it has always been, it's not a replacement for the PL
 
Ian Holloway says The Super League is a betrayal to the memory of Prince Philip
 
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