The only European thing is that it is compromised of European teams. Quite obviously their target market is the US and Asia. Soon we will have to wake up at 2 am in the morning to watch the Manchester derby in New York or Barca against Real in Jakarta at 2pm prime time.
European Super League
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Why do you not have a problem with the fact that these 15 clubs are guaranteed to qualify for the Super League?
Winning the Europa League for the sense of achievement is exactly what football is all about. Why are you even interested in United and football in general otherwise?
How can any football fan be positiv about this?
Its all falling apart and the game we know is dying. Its all about how much they can rinse from fans for a long time but this is a whole new level.
Horrible that United are involved.
Horrible that United are involved.
Time to go support a German club, they know what it's about.
This will turn into a circus.
You'll have United v Liverpool in Atlanta or Boston and all the rest.
Its also odd seeing people talk about player drafts.
Do you think that players used to deciding where they play suddenly agreeing to a draft system?
Not a chance.
And as I said earlier, if Fifa stick to their statement that players involved are out of international football, its already dead.
Or do you really think Kane will rather play superleague and finish in the bottom 3 every year instead of breaking Rooney's goal record and have even a slim chance of being the captain of an England team that wins something?
You'll have United v Liverpool in Atlanta or Boston and all the rest.
Its also odd seeing people talk about player drafts.
Do you think that players used to deciding where they play suddenly agreeing to a draft system?
Not a chance.
And as I said earlier, if Fifa stick to their statement that players involved are out of international football, its already dead.
Or do you really think Kane will rather play superleague and finish in the bottom 3 every year instead of breaking Rooney's goal record and have even a slim chance of being the captain of an England team that wins something?
There is also Monaco playing in the ligue 1 with a complete tax system. If there is a will, there is a way, specially when it comes to money
Right. So winning the ESL gets 500m - an extra 200m. They won’t care about that but they’re willing to spend 80m on Harry Maguire to guarantee the 70m for CL.
Oh yes.I assume we are talking about @crossy1686 ?
Not sure if a tool or wumming. Either way, should be banned.
At the best of times I'd have done it. In the mood I'm in now (and presumably the mods are), no idea how mods haven't banned him/her.
This Crossy fella must be some sort of American NFL fan because I find it unfathomable that one can grow up in the UK and not realise why this ESL is a problem on so many levels.
And before anyone says it's racist, it's not. The lack of cultural awareness of his point of view is so obvious, my statement is the least of a number of suggestions I can make.
And before anyone says it's racist, it's not. The lack of cultural awareness of his point of view is so obvious, my statement is the least of a number of suggestions I can make.
if true - major slap in the face for the 12 founding bellends
I mean, I’ve argued this for years and have really enjoyed participating in the Europa League for this reason, but we seem to be in the distinct minority.
I was feeling really optimistic about United and how Ole has been doing. Now I just feel sick. It is like a kick to the stomach.
That is exactly where UCL reform is headed from 2024-25 : larger group stages where you only play every opponent once.
The maximum number of times you could play an opponent would be twice in knock-out rounds. I would trust UEFA to anticipate watchers' tastes when they make these decisions.
Club owners doing exactly the opposite is not surprising considering they, erm... have no idea how to run a competition.
They're pissing away the history of the club and some fans are still failing to grasp that. It honestly feels like we won those three European Cups for nothing. Not going to be viewed the same in 20 years. Same with the league titles.
100% its taken the wind out of our sails. All that progress from last season and the potential of a trophy is rendered meaningless because of greed.
We've actually signed several youngsters from Brommapojkarna over the past 10 years.
We have a young goalkeeper in our folds from their clubs right now. Them folding would affect us.
And smaller clubs affects the overall level of competition. For all the youngsters that have been brought up by United, there's a dozen who developed at smaller clubs.
Even for the players that came through United's ranks, quite a lot started their footballing at smaller clubs, like Fletcher Moss Rangers, who were responsible for early development for Wes Brown, Marcus Rashford, Jesse Lingard, Danny Welbeck, and so on.
City fans should be more concerned than anyone. The guys pushing this are following a NFL model, there is zero reason they will be against franchise location changes which as we know are very much an accepted part of that model.
Why be clear second club in a city like Manchester when you can be the first club in New York, Tokyo? Or the club of Abu Dhabi? Being in Manchester is only a limit to their potential in franchise terms. Same goes for some of these other clubs. Why are the owners going to give a shit about being the 3rd team in London finishing bottom every season? Become Singapore Spurs and tie up the South East Asia market.
United should be ok from that perspective, too much marketing potential based on the status quo. You'll just have to put up with half your games being played globally as theSuper League global tour bringing the game to the world. #ForTheFans
Why be clear second club in a city like Manchester when you can be the first club in New York, Tokyo? Or the club of Abu Dhabi? Being in Manchester is only a limit to their potential in franchise terms. Same goes for some of these other clubs. Why are the owners going to give a shit about being the 3rd team in London finishing bottom every season? Become Singapore Spurs and tie up the South East Asia market.
United should be ok from that perspective, too much marketing potential based on the status quo. You'll just have to put up with half your games being played globally as theSuper League global tour bringing the game to the world. #ForTheFans
Maybe you can be a United Customer and kind these changes, but you can't be a football fan.
I think the problem will be even if the Glazers spend trying to compete with Madrid or Barca on an even playing field is going to be a real struggle. Players have always prefered to go to Spain due to the climate. At the moment because of the financial strength of the premier league, we have had an advantage. That would go out the window with this.
Thats an awful example.
I don't follow your question, Mbappé wouldn't have a choice if he wanted to play in the ESL, play against the best for the biggest contract he would have to follow the path designed by the ESL Players don't have a right to play even today, they are licensed to play and the way to get a license depends on the will of the organizers.
I am with you @DomesticTadpole i was starting to feel good again, the away win last week against Spurs was the first time I got emotionally invested in us for a while. This is all a kick in the balls and sickinening.
They've spent nothing though. They put zero pounds of their own money up to buy the club and have invested zero pounds in the club.
But that wasn't what was said. What was said was that they've taken more money out over the past 8 years than ever.
Can we have a mega thread for reactions? Sassuolo has commented, so has Hasenhuttl.
Why do you wish to be naive
It’s amazing isn’t it. The major argument against it is it’s all about money and devalues the achievement of finishing 4th...which was only an achievement because it got you money...
He seems the type to go on a massive rant about this. Hope I'm right.
I'm an NFL and American sports fan. I follow NFL more than I follow footy these days and I know how much of a fecking joke this is. You can't compare the two sports. Totally different.
There's far too many posts for me to catch up on from last night, so apologise if this has been covered ad nauseum...
From the statement, there'll be 2 groups of 10 and playing home and away - so that means there'll be 18 group games plus a 2-legged play off and knockouts from the Q/F. Which is between 18 and 25 games in a season.
I guess that definitely means the plan is to not enter the domestic cups (if they're allowed to stay in the leagues that is). And if they're still in the domestic leagues, they can't even create an extra SL Cup of their own with that schedule (which they might do if they're denied entrance to their leagues). So we'd be playing for a maximum of two trophies in a season instead of four?
Absolutely awful idea. I hate everything about it - especially just from a 'watching United compete in competitions for trophies' way, which is the main thing for me. All the rest of it - the ethics, other teams finances, etc, is obviously hugely important. But just from the standard 'being a United fan' viewpoint it's gut wrenching enough.
From the statement, there'll be 2 groups of 10 and playing home and away - so that means there'll be 18 group games plus a 2-legged play off and knockouts from the Q/F. Which is between 18 and 25 games in a season.
I guess that definitely means the plan is to not enter the domestic cups (if they're allowed to stay in the leagues that is). And if they're still in the domestic leagues, they can't even create an extra SL Cup of their own with that schedule (which they might do if they're denied entrance to their leagues). So we'd be playing for a maximum of two trophies in a season instead of four?
Absolutely awful idea. I hate everything about it - especially just from a 'watching United compete in competitions for trophies' way, which is the main thing for me. All the rest of it - the ethics, other teams finances, etc, is obviously hugely important. But just from the standard 'being a United fan' viewpoint it's gut wrenching enough.
My point answers both your points. Let's wait and see what the requirements for new entries are and you'll get your answer
What? How? They spend to get CL football to get more money. Why wouldn’t they spend to win the ESL and get even more money?
Because we won't even exist in these competitions anymore. It just feels like a hollow victory now.
3x CL titles are now worthless, Europa league titles mean nothing. Who knows if we will be even allowed to finish the competition? we might get thrown out before the semi finals even start
Respect as always to the Germans. Professional and well run outlet
UEFA is already moving away from the old cup format with the swiss model. 36 teams, you play 10 group stage games against new opponents every game. More games, more fodder. On top of that the teams that make the knockout stages are automatically qualified for the next season. The CL will go to shit whether or not this super league happens, it's basically just a question of what shade of shite will be going forward.
Leicester Premier League Champions
West Ham competing for a CL spot
Tottenham suddenly became a CL club
Liverpool won the Premier League - Remember they were hot garbage for nearly 30 years until 4~ years ago.
You're misreading the point when you see "relegation". The point isn't direclty relegation, it's the inability to not qualify for the competition through success in the domestic league
The domestic competition and the Champions League are intimately joined. Now that is threatened.
Imagine a world where third placed Manchester United who are 7 points behind Mancheter City with 8 games left on the season make the choice to rest players in the league against Chelsea, thinking there's no point in risking injuries for a maybe-shot at going up in the table, because they're placing Barcelona in the midweek in a competiton to qualify for the tournament playoffs in the Super League.
That is the reality you're advocating for. The domestic leagues WILL becomes second priority.
Have any players released statements yet? I think the longer they're silent, the worse it looks.
I'd fully support the first team threatening strike action and/or a mass exodus. Surely they have a legal right if they haven't been consulted.
I'd fully support the first team threatening strike action and/or a mass exodus. Surely they have a legal right if they haven't been consulted.
I can't see them letting us play another match.Because we won't even exist in these competitions anymore. It just feels like a hollow victory now.
3x CL titles are now worthless, Europa league titles mean nothing. Who knows if we will be even allowed to finish the competition? we might get thrown out before the semi finals even start
From their perspective, they are the ones paying large salaries, transfer fees, agent commissions etc and they think why should they be investing all this money when finishing 5th in a competitive league would rob them of champions league competition and revenue when some backwater club in Ukraine can get in by winning a mickey mouse league. Its not an idea that's totally out of order.