USA states have different tax rates as well. For all the reasons why an entry draft wouldn't work in European football, different tax regimes is the least of their problems.
European Super League
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Berlusconi suggested it as far back as the 1980's.
Its really hard to empathize with UEFA or FIFA over this, although I do feel for the supporters of clubs like Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Lille etc who have always accounted well for themselves when given the opportunity. FIFA has been a shit hole of corruption.
UEFA has failed many times over to address racist abuse in European competitions and with more commercial revenue at stake and a strict attitude towards that, at least the super league would be free from it.
Other than guaranteed participation, I don't see much wrong with a super league proposal. Will it be any worse if the league is gradually expanded to 32 teams and they hold onto a franchise system like in American sports?
UEFA has failed many times over to address racist abuse in European competitions and with more commercial revenue at stake and a strict attitude towards that, at least the super league would be free from it.
Other than guaranteed participation, I don't see much wrong with a super league proposal. Will it be any worse if the league is gradually expanded to 32 teams and they hold onto a franchise system like in American sports?
Genuinely feel a bit sick.
What is the point with solidarity payments to clubs that no longer can compete, even in theory? 10 bn over 23 seasons.. that amounts to less than 0,5 bn per season divided between 2-300 clubs? Decided by which factors? Who places highest in the domestic leagues, or sells the most players to a Super League team?
Mehh, when it's financed by JP Morgan? I think you can piss off with the racism argument. It's American turbo capitalism performing a coup against football, I'm really hoping this will help wake people up to what capitalism is really about which is, protect yourself and your profits and feck the rest.
1. Why do these 15 clubs get to automatically qualify because they are the top dogs at this moment? The time factor is the random variable here. Do this in 1995 and it may include Blackburn. Do this in 1980 and it may include Forest. These Super League clubs have secured their position for the foreseeable future.
2. Again, you are assuming that new teams get to join this exclusive group of clubs who automatically qualify. There is 0 indication of that so far.
I was wondering how long it'd take for woke capitalism to rear its ugly head as an excuse.
I'm sure we can also improve diversity in the league by incorporating teams from Tokro, Beijing, Singapore, Delhi, New York, California, Houston, Kuala Lumpur and Dubai.
Same here. So we don't really matter any more. They just want the new shiny fans.
100% correct. the legacy fan is dead. going to the stadium is dead. i want to ingest football live streamed on twitch. the chat window should take up half the page. a small window in the top right hand corner can show the game whilst the rest of the screen is dedicated to watching injured players open packs of pokémon cards.
So apparently downtrodden fans savior Mancity abandoned them
Don't be ridiculous. The point is that these teams have to earn their status as big clubs through results on the pitch. Not being relegated is an easy bar to stay over given the resources, but qualifying for the CL isn't.
The European system is a seamless whole where your place in the pyramid depends ultimately on performance. That does matter. There are clubs who 2 or 3 decades ago would be considered part of the European elite that no longer is.
The part in bold is clearly bollocks but don't let a rumour ruin a good story.
I don't want to get into this in this thread. I don't agree with the model but perhaps there's a possibility the SL money could go towards paying off the debt? Thought about that?
Yeah sure, lets bend over backwards for Slavia Prague and Zenit St. Petersberg fans throwing bananas at players because FOOTBALL LEGACY!
Instead of players simply walking on the pitch, this is how teams will be introduced.
Good grief.....Jet was hot!
Oh indeed
It's over for us. It's all about attracting the young fans that don't understand history and traditions of the game.
How dare teams grow organically and join the top dogs.
These 15 clubs have decided that they want to be the top dogs forever and feck the rest.
And this is why they're rich and we're all poor. They won't see the SL as an opportunity to make the bare minimum, they'll be looking at how the can make billions through sponsorships by winning the SL.
You'll notice all the statements are against UEFA and Fifa action. I've not seen one statement from them alluding to whether fans want it.
These owners don't give a shit about us. It's rage inducing.
These owners don't give a shit about us. It's rage inducing.
You have to be trolling at this stage.
The Glazers haven't taken massive amounts of money out of the club?
Like most people I am 100% against this idea, I can't believe that these clubs (including ours) are just happy to throw away well over 100 years of history in domestic football and just abandon the league & cups (as I assume would have to happen).
I think from a United perspective maybe the board are thinking the deal would be sweetened for fans because we would still get our 2 biggest games of the season - City and Liverpool.
And they will argue that with the other 3 English teams in there too, all of our biggest games will still be replicated in the European Super League.
This doesn't however make it OK. In fact far from it - a football season is about 38 games of hard graft including all of those tough but fun away days, coupled with a chance to win a domestic trophy.
Then of course there is the chance for the best teams to compete in Europe depending on their achievements in the previous season.
That is the bit which is the biggest kick in the teeth, and stinks of arrogance to a level that I can barely comprehend they've had the nerve to even suggest it in the current climate when the world is on its ar$e and some people are struggling to put food on the table day after day.
And I know it's been said loads before on here and on radio phone-ins but even if this was a good idea then what is the rationale behind invites for the North London clubs? Oh of course, my mistake.... £££££££.
It's been done for two reasons only - money is the obvious one, the TV deals will be eye wateringly big. But also it shows that the clubs don't care about the fans walking through the gate every weekend (and very often midweek), i.e. the type of people that have built the club to what it is today.
They are only interested in the fans around the world, a huge majority of which have never visited the ground and never will. The simple fact is United, and the other clubs probably wouldn't even care if they had to play their matches in front of no fans because they know that around the world (I suspect Asia has had a big part to play) there will be hundreds of millions of fans tuning in to watch this 'big names only' competition.
When you actually line up the clubs named so far and list their recent achievements (particularly most recent domestic league title (neither of the Milan clubs have won Serie A in a decade and Arsenal are probably at least a decade away from challenging in England) or European trophy (I'm looking at you City & Spurs although granted one of them could win one this season) then it starts to show you how desperate this whole thing appears.
I really hope that German football sticks to its model of majority fan ownership so that this can't happen. I also think it's good that PSG are resisting (so far) as Bayern (last 8 in a row) and PSG (7 of the last 8) can at least justify their inclusion with recent domestic achievements.
I think this one has a long way to run but I really hope the powers that be, along with perhaps more importantly the fans oppose this with everything they have and continue to do so.
I think from a United perspective maybe the board are thinking the deal would be sweetened for fans because we would still get our 2 biggest games of the season - City and Liverpool.
And they will argue that with the other 3 English teams in there too, all of our biggest games will still be replicated in the European Super League.
This doesn't however make it OK. In fact far from it - a football season is about 38 games of hard graft including all of those tough but fun away days, coupled with a chance to win a domestic trophy.
Then of course there is the chance for the best teams to compete in Europe depending on their achievements in the previous season.
That is the bit which is the biggest kick in the teeth, and stinks of arrogance to a level that I can barely comprehend they've had the nerve to even suggest it in the current climate when the world is on its ar$e and some people are struggling to put food on the table day after day.
And I know it's been said loads before on here and on radio phone-ins but even if this was a good idea then what is the rationale behind invites for the North London clubs? Oh of course, my mistake.... £££££££.
It's been done for two reasons only - money is the obvious one, the TV deals will be eye wateringly big. But also it shows that the clubs don't care about the fans walking through the gate every weekend (and very often midweek), i.e. the type of people that have built the club to what it is today.
They are only interested in the fans around the world, a huge majority of which have never visited the ground and never will. The simple fact is United, and the other clubs probably wouldn't even care if they had to play their matches in front of no fans because they know that around the world (I suspect Asia has had a big part to play) there will be hundreds of millions of fans tuning in to watch this 'big names only' competition.
When you actually line up the clubs named so far and list their recent achievements (particularly most recent domestic league title (neither of the Milan clubs have won Serie A in a decade and Arsenal are probably at least a decade away from challenging in England) or European trophy (I'm looking at you City & Spurs although granted one of them could win one this season) then it starts to show you how desperate this whole thing appears.
I really hope that German football sticks to its model of majority fan ownership so that this can't happen. I also think it's good that PSG are resisting (so far) as Bayern (last 8 in a row) and PSG (7 of the last 8) can at least justify their inclusion with recent domestic achievements.
I think this one has a long way to run but I really hope the powers that be, along with perhaps more importantly the fans oppose this with everything they have and continue to do so.
It's been less than a fecking day dude, and you've asked me this question 3 times in here already. Just fecking wait and we'll find out eventually won't we?
The whole idea behind the ESL seems to drive down costs and drive up profits, so yes, there'll definitely be mechanisms to drive down costs, and for clubs, transfers and wages are the biggest costs.
It makes perfect sense for them. Their biggest problem in squeezing as much money as possible out of the club is the competitive nature of the Premier League which means we frequently miss out on the Champions League cash cow. This solves that problem.
That, incidentally, is why the notion that this might force UEFA to commit to meaningful reforms sounds like a fairy tale to me. What reform could they possibly propose that satisfies the Glazers' wish for financial stability AND preserves some semblance of sporting merit? None.
Didn't say they haven't done that. I said they haven't taken out more than Manchester United have spent which was what was implied
Feck them all and hope the 12/15 rot in Hell!!
By all means if these 12/15 owners/chairman want to run their own super league crack on but don't prostitute the name of these famous clubs to start up your own league, start your own
I hope the Premier league/UEFA/FIFA stand firm on this and hold the clubs to an ultimatum, either stand together as one and if you want to whore yourself out to this debacle nob off now you will not be in the league, cups or internationals from season 2021/2022
Players/managers then have a choice to either jump or stay
By all means if these 12/15 owners/chairman want to run their own super league crack on but don't prostitute the name of these famous clubs to start up your own league, start your own
I hope the Premier league/UEFA/FIFA stand firm on this and hold the clubs to an ultimatum, either stand together as one and if you want to whore yourself out to this debacle nob off now you will not be in the league, cups or internationals from season 2021/2022
Players/managers then have a choice to either jump or stay
Care to respond to my first point too?
If you can buy yourself out of 18th, 19th or 20th... you can often buy yourself into 4th or 5th. There is a little element of chance... but it's mostly about money other than the occasional Leicester type miracle.
Yeah thats it, the super league is great because it is for some reason going to end discrimination. #ForTheFans #BLM #AbuDhabiCup2024
Embarassing people actually fall for that corporate nonsense. If yelling racial slurs was profitable these teams would have all the players doing it. There's no morality here.
Jeez if there is anything else they could do to destroy the PL it's adding Scottish football into it. Sent a shiver down me spine.This is probably the right time for Celtic and Rangers to join the Prem
Agree. Will there be breaks in the games every few minutes for a word from our sponsor. Will commentators have to advertise cures for erectile dysfunction? Cheerleaders, marching bands before games.
Of course you can, what nonsense. Look at the NHL - not just a bunch of different states (all of whom set their own taxes, largely), but two different countries - Canada and the US. Come to think of it, the other NA major leagues have Canadian teams too.
They assume the fans want it and even alluded to it I think. Basically saying the fans could only say "yes"
I'm god damn Legacy Fan, motherf*ckers! Wooooooooooo!
Buy them from where? The other clubs will be miles behind, possibly fold.
How does another Roy Keane happen if the little Irish club folds and Forest are part time say?
Where do we send our players on loan (like Henderson did, Beckham, etc)?
Can West Ham afford to buy, nurture another Declan Rice to have him grabbed by an ESL club?
Never mind cake and eat it. It's cake, eat it and you (the non ESL clubs) can fecking wash up.
I've been thinking about so many things about this and one hypothetical was the FA/PL saying "you can't have the ESL and play here, choose. And if you choose the ESL, you're kicked out immediately".
And thinking "good". After almost half a century of support, the Glazers could take me to the point I'm happy (sic) United get kicked out of a league I've grown up with.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion but for me, there is NOTHING good about the ESL
Solidarity payments are payments to the ESL members only
The non ESL clubs will not get a single penny. That 10bn seems helluva lot attractive for the 15 clubs right?I'm glad to see most on here have some sense. A very limited few making a fool of themselves.
Will be interesting to see if the managers have any balls or they'll do a 180 in their opinions.
Will be interesting to see if the managers have any balls or they'll do a 180 in their opinions.