As a Manchester United fan, I honestly don't care what happens to Leeds, or MK Dons, or Bromma Pojkarna. Do you think they'd give a shit it we went into administration? Why is it our responsibility to pay them?
European Super League
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No there's no chance of that happening. The club will continue to adhere to the loan obligations and keep paying installments on the interest.
The debt will only be reduced, or paid, when the club changes ownership. As long as the club can manage its obligations there is no incentive to reduce it.
This idea of a Super League might have sit on the table for some time, but surely it has been accelerated in the last months and the fecking stupid English clubs took the bait. Look at who is driving this project - Perez and Agnelli - Madrid and Juventus - the two clubs that financially go from bad to worst, especially Juventus who apart from Ronaldo and to some extent De Ligt, only transfer dross because they don't have the money to challenge others for big players. Same goes for Madrid, their local newspapers talk about Haaland and Mbappe, but they can't do this deals because they don't have the money and it will only get worse for them with the pandemic and everything related to it.
And then guess who flourishes no matter it's cold outside? English clubs!!! Instead of taking advantage of this, these fecking morons took the bait and will balance things and put others in power play positions once again (especially the two Spanish clubs) when it could have been one and only outcome in a maximum of three years time and that was a completely domination of English football, financially speaking.
Can't believe they were that stupid and don't be surprised when, in a few years, Madrid and Barcelona go back to big name, big money transfers and frankly I will not have any hatred towards them knowing that it was the stupid English clubs that allowed it. Instead of having the likes of Chelsea, United, City and Liverpool do an all English fight for the Mbappes and Haalands of this world, they put Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus back on the map, too, when they were going down.
ESL my ass, it's the idiot English clubs saving others ass when they could have just rejected the idea and transform the Premier League into the Mecca of football. I'm sure if Madrid and Barcelona would have had this chance they would knock English football to the ground and bury it for good.
And then guess who flourishes no matter it's cold outside? English clubs!!! Instead of taking advantage of this, these fecking morons took the bait and will balance things and put others in power play positions once again (especially the two Spanish clubs) when it could have been one and only outcome in a maximum of three years time and that was a completely domination of English football, financially speaking.
Can't believe they were that stupid and don't be surprised when, in a few years, Madrid and Barcelona go back to big name, big money transfers and frankly I will not have any hatred towards them knowing that it was the stupid English clubs that allowed it. Instead of having the likes of Chelsea, United, City and Liverpool do an all English fight for the Mbappes and Haalands of this world, they put Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus back on the map, too, when they were going down.
ESL my ass, it's the idiot English clubs saving others ass when they could have just rejected the idea and transform the Premier League into the Mecca of football. I'm sure if Madrid and Barcelona would have had this chance they would knock English football to the ground and bury it for good.
Well, the point is still that you don't get the next level unless and until you've delivered the goods on the pitch.
City fans will no doubt swarm us all at some point with their renewed mental gymnastics.
you have to be one of the worst posters I've ever seen on here, and that takes doing, well done
15th and an EBITDA of 200% and increased drawings.
In a league they CAN'T get relegated from.
They won't give a shit.
LegacyCafe
At least we won't have the glory hunter tag anymore! Nice one Joel Glazer.
Guaranteed participation is THE problem. Why in the feck should they be allowed to squirrel away all of the games money and leave feck all for every one else?
I think you're actually trying to be obtuse and annoying now.
All eyes on Klopp this evening. Really hope he speaks out against it. If he does and the likes of Pep and Ole can follow. Maybe even some players too, this could be all over within a week
The gap in sponsorship between those who are successful and those who aren't is also reduced in a SL as the elite 15 have a guaranteed place regardless. The value sponsors gain from their team winning the SL as opposed to just taking their perpetually guaranteed place is many times smaller than that gained from winning the CL over failing to qualify.
They will get massive sponsorship deals even if they're finishing bottom of the SL, because they're forever guaranteed to be in it. They don't need to spend to make that money.
Ultimately managers are the most expendable commodity in the game, so they will all bend over, even the most pseudophilosophical like Klopp.
Cannot be serious. He is happy to be here.
My reading is that they aren’t abandoning domestic competitions although for quite a while there has been a suggestion that the CC is in jeopardy
Fergie has came out against it, ex-players have come out against it, fans are against it.
I don't for a second believe our manager or most of our players would be for it.
Its a statement that the owners opinion is all that matters(to them). I don't think it'll go ahead.
I don't for a second believe our manager or most of our players would be for it.
Its a statement that the owners opinion is all that matters(to them). I don't think it'll go ahead.
So it feels like finishing in the top 4 or winning the Europa league is completely pointless now anyway?
You must just be trolling at this point.
I dont want to see any clubs go out of business. I dont care who they are
I imagine most football fans feel the same
This is pure fantasy on your part. It seems like you decided to play devil's advocate yesterday before you'd even read the official statement and now you've gone down a rabbit hole where you've even tried to claim the Glazers haven't taken a shit-ton of money out of the club.
Joel Glazer literally just put 70m into his sky rocket. Take a break man.
But Manchester United or Arsenal not qualifying for the Champions League is not a fantasy. It's all quite real. Arsenal haven't done it for half a decade now.
And yes, football has been going in the wrong direction for a while. There's no need to step on the accelerator though. Yes, football is becoming more and more of a closed shop. That's a problem - the solution isn't to make it fecking official.
I've messaged every player and staff account I could think of, asking them to speak out.
Of course thats probably a waste of time and I drowned in the barrage of "i need money sir" messages, but its more than nothing.
I would be beyond happy if any player or manager came out against this, don't even care who. Just someone with a voice start something.
In basketball Euroleague clubs have joined to do the same, but for other reasons (FIBA was holding european basketball back, and so clubs created Euroleague and Eurocup). Euroleague has a few residents, but their license can be taken if they have a couple of poor seasons.
In the ESL I think they are taking it to a very extremist position. THey should rethink about it. The biggest looser is going to be EPL, since a lot of t rights will detour to the new ESL.
In the ESL I think they are taking it to a very extremist position. THey should rethink about it. The biggest looser is going to be EPL, since a lot of t rights will detour to the new ESL.
Absolutely. This is all about the money.
I doubt you'll hear a peep. Nobody will speak against their employers.
Docking points?
Does anyone know if any players at the clubs involved have commented publicly about this? I saw havertz tweet but that was all
Is just a natural progression IMO, FIFA/UEFA are outdated. Few years down the line will have mini super league(s), other competitions and cups, and probably some domestic ones for nostalgia. Biggest worry short term should be FIFA and FM video games.
I fecking hate the British media.
Hans-Joachim Watzke states his views are identical to those of Bayern and as far as he knows both Bayern and Dortmund intend to stand by agreed reforms to the Champions League
Just said (effectively) the same thing to someone who said "what if we're 15th?"
The ONLY reason the Glazers wanted us to win stuff up til now was to maintain the brand, earn prize money and get bigger sponsorship.
The ESL guarantees that regardless of position (to a degree). They'll fleece it even more until it collapses or they sell it for a few billion.
You really think all this planning will be shelved because a few people are unhappy?
These billionaires have all banded together to take the power for themselves. If the leagues kick them out then they'll just make their own.
All the top brass have been resigning from their UEFA positions, I don't think there is any going back.
I wish I was this naive.
Feck me, are you being paid by the Glazers or something?
European competition shouldn’t be about seeing United play Barca or madrid multiple times a season. European competition is about the romance of being drawn against competition we wouldn’t otherwise play and having a big match if you get through. The CL need to build on that. Not this..: this power grab: if anyone thinks it’s a reason for the glazers to spend more.. it’s a reason for them to take even more money out
Oh I thoroughly enjoyed Leeds going into administration.
Uefa just need to bend over to accomadate these teams in the interests of everyone not making a balls of everything.
Its actually getting worse by the minute, dont even want to think about what damage this is doing to us as a club.
And also I am amazed that United and Liverpool that value their European history so much are willing to give that up to go compete for a new trophy with no lineage.
Its actually getting worse by the minute, dont even want to think about what damage this is doing to us as a club.
And also I am amazed that United and Liverpool that value their European history so much are willing to give that up to go compete for a new trophy with no lineage.