You turn it into a popularity contest. This isn't a democracy but a competition. You don't give the membership to the team who earned it through football but who's best at advertising what they do. Why do we even play the games? We could just vote who should win it.
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You turn it into a popularity contest. This isn't a democracy but a competition. You don't give the membership to the team who earned it through football but who's best at advertising what they do. Why do we even play the games? We could just vote who should win it.
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No, the plan has been in the public domain for several months, people have had plenty of time to digest it
Fergie on the super league a few years ago...
https://www.thestatesman.com/sports...lams-world-super-league-plans-1502833484.html
https://www.thestatesman.com/sports...lams-world-super-league-plans-1502833484.html
I think you're missing the point. The key thing is the primacy of the national leagues. That primacy has rested on several things. One is that it remains the main focus of most fans. Another is that they have been the only Leagues - the CL is just a tournament. SL is not a tournament - it is in effect a NA-style League with playoffs. A third is that even for clubs to whom the CL is more important than the national league, performing well in the national league is absolute necessity, because otherwise you don't get to the CL. The CL has never been seen by anyone as a threat to the primacy of national leagues, for that reason: It's a lucrative bonus tournament you get if you do well, and what defines "do well" is how you do in your own league.
In short - the national league is the baseline, for all clubs. This breaks that link, which really changes everything. It turns that level above into the main focus, leaving the national leagues as an afterthought which clubs can care or not care about as they choose - and which will mean less for the financial baseline than the SL does. Like the FA cup now.
That does not mean that people only care about the EPL because it decides who gets to the CL. On the contrary, it shows that people care about the national leagues remaining the primary focus.
Are they feck. You're telling me that there's no requirement to win a game moving forward? That's it? Ambition completely gone? Football now becomes a bunch of meaningless friendlies?
If that's the case then what's the point in playing now? Everyone still gets paid, why try and win any competition, especially the PL, I mean we're in it next year anyway.
The reality is, football does nothing but punish, it never rewards. Had a shit season? Relegated. Missed out on a couple of transfer targets? Relegated. Got a few injuries? Title gone.
I just hope that the players don't have the same attitude as some of you in here.
It's a glorified friendly.
The SL clubs are the most decorated and iconic clubs in the world, the best players are going to want to join them. If non SL clubs really refuse to sell then it would backfire on them; said players will run down their contract and join for free meaning the 50m+ Sporting would have received by selling Bruno to United will be gone and surely that has bigger implications for a club in financial difficulties. Also players are likely to sign shorter contracts as a result so they have more power to move on their own terms.
What was the last trophy Inter won? Why are they in it? Unless they're counting the winnings of ex-United players in their "history".
When the dust settles we'll have some requirement at some point. Like I said previously, if for some reason Southampton go on to become one of the most successful and most viewed PL teams over the next few years, you think they won't be extended an invitation?
This relegation point keeps getting brought up but it doesnt happen in todays CL? We went out in the group stages last year and we are sailing back into it next season.
Where was the outrage back then?
Sorry, that's just too stupid to merit a reply. I can only assume you work in marketing.
Any word on what happens to the European competitions this season?
Trouble is, if we are kicked out of other competitions then it will be all we have. It will be 12 Harlem Globetrotters playing each other.
Still convinced this is a ploy by those teams to get UEFA to the negotiating table.
I will never pay a single penny to watch football again if this happens. Sick of the greed.
Inter were one of the best teams on the 90's and have a huge following. Why aren't they allowed to capitalise on that?
Aren't they going to win the league this season?
I hope you are right but its looking like its already a done deal.
They won't go on to become the most successful and viewed PL team because this plan is purposefully designed to ensure these 12 clubs get the wealth and opportunities and nobody else does.
If these clubs are getting massive automatic payments, in excess of what they'd get for winning the CL, then where is the incentive for actually... you know... competing? It's just a glorified exhibition where they turn up and collect their cash.
The more I think about it, the more I feel the people actually in favour of this are probably more those blinkered fans who don't give a sh*t about anything but what's new and shiny - the kind of people who fetishise transfers, and forget what made football so brilliant in the first place.
The more I think about it, the more I feel the people actually in favour of this are probably more those blinkered fans who don't give a sh*t about anything but what's new and shiny - the kind of people who fetishise transfers, and forget what made football so brilliant in the first place.
I heard it so I don't know why you didn't. Go listen to some podcasts from last few months if you really want the answer
The difference is that while very few know that Burnley exist Inter and Milan has huge fan bases. Inter has 55m and Milan has 95m. A game between Manchester United and Milan would attract thousands of fans world wide something both clubs would benefit from. They won't be piggy banking on our popularity to attract the ££££ needed for their club to thrive/survive.
I understand and in many ways I share your concerns/anger. However I am also trying to see the other POV as well. When I started following United, the EPL was nowhere near as being the best league in the world. However it was certainly entertaining. Smaller sides would throw caution by the wind and play attractive football to keep football entertaining. By doing so they kept their side of the bargain. Can you say the same now? All these teams care about is that extra point needed to remain in the EPL or making it in the Europa league so that they can keep on piggy banking on the money the big guns generate. So if these clubs can be allowed to be greedy then what's so tragic in us doing the same?
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They’re like 5 years old. What are Celtic thinking of this for instance. Pure joke. Absolutely no meritocracy.How fecked is it that Leipzig are the other club that is going to joinSuch a blatant money grab. Disgusting.
All this talk about trophy cabinets and history as if performing now doesn't matter as much.
Would they have been OK with a Super League in 1995 including Blackburn? Or in 1980 with Forest after their back-to-back European Cups?
Would they have been OK with a Super League in 1995 including Blackburn? Or in 1980 with Forest after their back-to-back European Cups?
Not sure who you're arguing with here. I think the same as you. I was responding to someone who didn't see the problem with it.
It's 20 teams. People have seemingly missed that part but it's essentially a normal league with playoffs.
The big six will be out of the league because competing for four spots for UCL football is no longer needed. They can finish 13th and it makes no difference.
Think most think that, but it is not showing them in a good light at all. The F.A. , P.L. etc should never have allowed these owners in.
Ferguson, in his first intervention in a live issue since retirement, have commented this time around too:
“Talk of a Super League is a move away from 70 years of European club football. Both as a player for a provincial team Dunfermline in the 60s and as a manager at Aberdeen winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup, for a small provincial club in Scotland it was like climbing Mount Everest,” he told Reuters.
“Everton are spending £500 million to build a new stadium with the ambition to play in Champions League. Fans all over love the competition as it is,” he said.
“In my time at United, we played in four Champions League finals and they were always the most special of nights.
“I’m not sure Manchester United are involved in this, as I am not part of the decision making process,” he added.
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(Reuters calling the club 'Soccer-United' in their headline though.
)Stop making assumptions, this is what's stopping you from seeing this a positive thing.
They won the Champions League more recently than United. And are going to win their League this year.
Football as content rather than sport.
Spoken like true glazer supporter.
Your examples dont work in this case because ALOT of clubs are excluded.
Depends if the other eight teams fancy it now they have seen the backlash.
After what, a decade? Gee whizz, if only Juve hadn't hired a wine maker as coach, they might have won their tenth league in a row.
Tottenham a founder of the European Super League, the same Tottenham who were knocked out of the Europa League by Dinamo Zagreb....
Yeah, but the talents? You can't possibly imagine ALL the top talents in the world to play only in the 20 clubs of the world.
That's just ridiculous.
Mbappe came from Monaco.
Haaland came from Molde and RB Salzburg.
Bruno came from Sporting.
If the top 20 can't buy from Monaco or Molde or Salzburg.....in 5 years when they're done trading Neymar between themselves, they're fecked.
They could. It's their league, their rules.
Just out of curiosity, how many free agents are there today that the top clubs would buy?
Most of the top players are contract bound.
Also, most players, young ones especially, they want to play football. Not sit on a 3 mile long bench at PSG waiting their turn to play.
This entire thing is disgusting. Anyone who agrees with this super league is a disgrace as well.
It’s literally all money based. Like that’s it. Nothing to do with quality of football. You can say football is money based these days but this is like...another level of greed.
It’s literally all money based. Like that’s it. Nothing to do with quality of football. You can say football is money based these days but this is like...another level of greed.