We are talking about UEFA being corrupt as feck for how fecking long now? Why the backlash now when some clubs have decided feck them?
European Super League
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That is because there is actually a rivalry there, between the people of the two cities, historically related and not just football. There is no rivalry between United and Barcalona, it is just a unique attracted to watch them play because it doesn't happen often.
The hubris of the clubs involved is shocking. Where are Ajax for example. You want to generate revenues? Then put rangers and celtic on the competition? Those games against english clubs would attract alot of people.
Also how do two clubs who have never won the european cup end up founder members? Embarrassing.
Really hope someone like rashford says something today. Someone from the Utd team should.
Also how do two clubs who have never won the european cup end up founder members? Embarrassing.
Really hope someone like rashford says something today. Someone from the Utd team should.
This has been coming for a long time. They ruined the European Cup by letting clubs into it for finishing third or even fourth in some leagues just to placate the bigger names because they were scared of a European Super League, which is upon us anyway because our favourite footballing conglomerates can't make money quickly enough.
Because they're not just fecking over UEFA. It is fecking over the Leagues and Fans of all the Clubs not invited to this circus.
If this shit was done 20 years ago Newcastle would be a founding member. 40 years ago Everton would be. As its now Spurs are and will forever be. fecking over clubs like Newcastle and Everton forever. Who wants that?
That's not how it works, the players that wants to leave would simply not extend or resign. One of the reasons players don't resign is because FIFA wouldn't register the player with his new club but in this case the competition they are joining is out of FIFA's jurisdiction.
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Who cares? Everything is made for consumer consumption these days, not sure why you're so anti American all of a sudden. If the model works then what does it matter?
The reason people are getting upset by this is getting wilder by the second
When is UEFA meeting? Seems like a lot of lawsuits have already been filed by Super league. This is going to be nasty
The NFL merged with the AFL and it didn't ruin American football. The NBA merged with the ABA and it didn't ruin basketball. The National League and American League started playing interleague games and it didn't ruin baseball.
It seems absurd that some of the best players in the world might go their entire careers without facing each other. I get why traveling fans would be dismayed because it's ruining a culture built up for a century... but just in terms of the football it seems silly that the best aren't always playing the best.
It seems absurd that some of the best players in the world might go their entire careers without facing each other. I get why traveling fans would be dismayed because it's ruining a culture built up for a century... but just in terms of the football it seems silly that the best aren't always playing the best.
Cheers, sounds like we've got a much bigger problem than just an ESL here then. It seems like UEFA and FIFA have used their regulatory powers to monopolise the actual competition - especially if they try and strong arm the club's in into playing in UEFAs own competition by threatening to ban players from an unrelated tournament (i.e. world cup or euros).
Hopefully this will trigger the break up of UEFA/FIFA into just regulators and a separate entity for the competitions
Jesus Christ
How do you think rivalries develop?
So if we never play Madrid, when we do play Madrid it's a better game? That's some mental gymnastics right there. Just remember that you're not allowed to be excited about these games when they come along, you know, because they're boring
The Glazers are greedy little fecking rats and they’ve finally killed my club.
Why would they boycott and put their financial future in jeopardy?
Just by looking at number, clubs are going to increase their revenue by 50%-60% and this will trickle down to players as salary. No clubs outside of those participating will pay what they are earning right now let alone what these player could earn in 2 or 3 years time.
If the players end up being prevented from participating in internationals does that mean we'll see a complete breakaway from "football" altogether?
These clubs won't play football anymore, they'll play soccerball or goalblitz. They'll have their own International Planet Cup, EuroContinental Trophy, Incontinent Trophy etc. Change the player names while they're at it to Krusty Rimaldo and Linoleum Messy. Like a real life version of those unlicensed football games in the early 00s but with shitter graphics.
These clubs won't play football anymore, they'll play soccerball or goalblitz. They'll have their own International Planet Cup, EuroContinental Trophy, Incontinent Trophy etc. Change the player names while they're at it to Krusty Rimaldo and Linoleum Messy. Like a real life version of those unlicensed football games in the early 00s but with shitter graphics.
Manchester and Liverpool are rivals for more than just football.
Good post. Hadn't thought of this.
Well the super league is hardly going to fix that issue with Arsenal, Spurs and the Milan’s being in it whilst, Dortmund, Bayern, Ajax, PSG, Leicester (on current form) Roma etc all aren’t in it.
and how many times a year would you want to play teams from the premier league? Play them twice in that, twice (?) again in the super league, and you could still meet them in the other cups.
Yep, the mighty Midtjylland and Lincoln Red Imps battling it out in a Champions League final any day now, what a time to be alive.
If you've got to play two qualification rounds to get into a tournament, you've got no business being there.
Wait till they set a salary cap.
The PL would feel an immediate blow too. If the big 6 teams are banned from the PL, fans of these teams from around the world will not pay their subscriptions and the broadcasters will feel the pain. They will then sue the PL. This is a calculated move by the cnuts at these clubs.
I'm not even sure that this would be possible. The authorities behind player licenses etc. are the UEFA/FIFA and the domestic leagues. If they build a parallel competition it is possible that players would legally be allowed to be contracted for two clubs simultaneously. It would be treated like a differet sport. Just like a membership in a football club doesn't prevent you from joining a basketball team. I'm sure there'll be working laws to be considered, too, but I doubt this new constellation would have absolutely zero influence on the fees paid at all.
It's a sport known for it's half time entertainment and adverts as much as the game itself. It's completely ruined.
All these false comparisons with the problems with UEFA, FIFA, the CL, clubs funded by oil magnates and nation states and all the other things that are problematic about modern football are missing the point.
You do not get into this 'competition' on merit.
There's no way past that, for me. Leicester's league win would not have earned them a chance to play in it. If West Ham get fourth this season, that will not earn them a chance to play in it. Football may have structurally undermined its own meritocracy in a number of ways already but the principle remains that you can play your way to the top. The ESL would end that principle.
You do not get into this 'competition' on merit.
There's no way past that, for me. Leicester's league win would not have earned them a chance to play in it. If West Ham get fourth this season, that will not earn them a chance to play in it. Football may have structurally undermined its own meritocracy in a number of ways already but the principle remains that you can play your way to the top. The ESL would end that principle.
Threatening to ban players from representing their countries if they take part in this competition is absolutely shocking.
It's actually the elites saying "we want a fair share of what we actually bring to the table for once" and there's nothing wrong with that.
I know it's trendy at the moment to be all doom and gloom and see this as the death of football but none of that is going to happen. Look around at other sports and tell me where an influx of money has ruined the game? People said exactly the same thing as this when the CL came along, guess the game was ruined and owners made quick bucks a long time ago then?
It would be absurd if the CL didn't exist and these players faced each others multiple times in their careers. Also the best NFL, NBA and MLB players do not necessarily face each others regularly, the nature of conferences and divisions means that certain matchups are rare and can only happen in the last rounds of the playoff.
The other issue is that amercan sports have been built around closed leagues, franchises and varsity, the entire structure from top to bottom makes sense. Here we have a clunky unbalanced structure.
Acquiescence to the almighty dollar is not what a football club is about.
I remember when Jose was at Madrid and there was a season where there were a bunch of classicos. We all still got excited to watch them through out the season.
They're called for sheep for a reason my friend. Completely different sentiment if the media put out a positive story yesterday instead of a "football is dead" vibe. I can't believe people are this easily led to be honest
Clubs in debt plus covid pandemic and no money coming through the turnstiles. Something had to give and it's turned out this superleague is the saving grace before clubs go bump.
It's just morally wrong.
It's just morally wrong.
But for sure, all top players will want to play in super league, as that’s where all the big money and spotlight is on.
So possible scenario: All other clubs in PL etc refuse to sell players to super league club, and all top players from those clubs will sit out their contract to get free transfer to super league clubs.
Baseball players in the National League would never play against baseball players in the American League unless they made the World Series. Sure it was special, but it was a tragedy that certain pitchers never faced certain batters over their entire career. Obviously it's only a start as they will eventually recruit the Bayerns and PSG over time... and they will need to make concessions to the loyal fans who followed them around for years... but it will an amazing league to watch and the domestic leagues will still continue to feed players to the superleague... I don't see how this is the end of the world as long as they find a way to include the traveling fans somehow.
Your team just built a new stadium so more fans could watch them play and therefore increase their revenue. That's okay but playing in a competition is 'sickening'? That's some moral dilemma you've got there
United-Liverpool has its own attractions, but they're different from those of playing Madrid or Bayern. We always know we will get to play Liverpool twice again next season. You never know how long it might take you to claw your way to the next game against Madrid, and that brings its own special something.
Also, incidentally, games against Ajax, Porto, Marseille, Roma... but apparently these don't interest enough people because the clubs aren't rich enough.
Simon Stone: The Super League clubs have contacted UEFA and FIFA issuing notice of legal proceedings designed to block any sanctions the two governing bodies may try to enforce over The Super League's formation
The FA is no better than Uefa so no simpathy, and I don't think the fans have to be affected by this, the FA through the likes of Sky and other media outlets are trying to make like they care for the fans when in reality they are only worried for themselves, therefor they can ban the clubs from domestic competitions and harm the fans.
I have been reading a lot of about this Super League today and watching a lot of reactions. Some background about where my views are coming from here: I was born in Poland but grew up in America. I followed the World Cup and Euros but that was essentially it. My cousin visited me in the States and began to show me United matches and got me into the club. This was late 2000s. I haven't missed a Champ League or Premier League match since. I fell in love. The passion, the history, the structure, everything. It all meant something. I missed the majority of United's glory years but went back to watch a lot of it. It was incredible.
I was a massive NFL and NBA fan growing up. Once I got into (proper) football, it all seemed pointless. Teams in those two leagues get rewarded for being bad. You get rewarded for losing. Think about that concept. The NBA regular season is largely irrelevant. The NFL season? The best teams do not win. The New England Patriots were 18-0 going into the Super Bowl and lost. The playoffs are one and done. They were by far the best team that season and lost one game and were not champions.
Meanwhile in football, you get the best teams that win the league each season. There are no massive flukes because you cannot luck your way into a title. Even Leicester deserved on merit the season they won because they were the best team that season (maybe not most talented but irrelevant). Even the Champions League you have group stages and two matches for elimination prior to the final.
This Super League is an absolute joke for many reasons I have seen mentioned and someone that rarely get mentioned. The Champions League is something you look forward to during a work day here. I love working from home because I can pull up midweek games and watch them. In the office, I can stream them on my phone and still enjoy. It is an amazing competition and has incredible moments. Sure, the big teams win this. However, you still have great storylines. Giant slayers happen all the time. For a lot of these clubs, those are moments they remember. Scoring against United, beating City at home, going to Real Madrid and playing there. For a lot of teams (Belgian, Swiss, Polish, Ukrainian, etc.) these are the moments they do not forget. Those are now gone. Real Madrid should be absolutely ashamed for doing this. The Champion's League is a competition they are kings in. They are so admired in this competition and they will piss it all away. Disgraceful.
Domestically, what is the point? The second you are out of the title race, why even try? Liverpool would be resting players by New Years this season. Why compete in the EPL when you are still playing so many games in the super league? Getting 2nd, 3rd, 4th in the EPL is irrelevant. So once City or Liverpool or United get a comfortable lead then why keep trying? All 6 English teams will not remain competitive in the EPL so I would guess at least 3 will be resting players by New Years to focus on Super League placement (if they even care about that). It destroys the competition in domestic leagues. What about teams like Leicester, West Ham, Aston Villa? These teams can overtake Spurs easily (or already have) as the consistent top finishers. Now they do it for nothing. What is the point of the season once a team has a somewhat comfortable lead.
There is no risk for the big teams. No reason to push for the league. No reason to compete. The money will constantly come in and it will be mostly the same every season. You will push to win the Super League but once that is out of the realm of possibility, what is the competition? Spurs will be walking through the motions in the Super League within a month. They will not be punished for not being competitive because their owner is on the board. It is a complete joke of a league where teams will not get punished. I hope the Leagues, UEFA and FIFA come down on this. It will ruin mid table clubs and make winning the league even more impossible.
I was a massive NFL and NBA fan growing up. Once I got into (proper) football, it all seemed pointless. Teams in those two leagues get rewarded for being bad. You get rewarded for losing. Think about that concept. The NBA regular season is largely irrelevant. The NFL season? The best teams do not win. The New England Patriots were 18-0 going into the Super Bowl and lost. The playoffs are one and done. They were by far the best team that season and lost one game and were not champions.
Meanwhile in football, you get the best teams that win the league each season. There are no massive flukes because you cannot luck your way into a title. Even Leicester deserved on merit the season they won because they were the best team that season (maybe not most talented but irrelevant). Even the Champions League you have group stages and two matches for elimination prior to the final.
This Super League is an absolute joke for many reasons I have seen mentioned and someone that rarely get mentioned. The Champions League is something you look forward to during a work day here. I love working from home because I can pull up midweek games and watch them. In the office, I can stream them on my phone and still enjoy. It is an amazing competition and has incredible moments. Sure, the big teams win this. However, you still have great storylines. Giant slayers happen all the time. For a lot of these clubs, those are moments they remember. Scoring against United, beating City at home, going to Real Madrid and playing there. For a lot of teams (Belgian, Swiss, Polish, Ukrainian, etc.) these are the moments they do not forget. Those are now gone. Real Madrid should be absolutely ashamed for doing this. The Champion's League is a competition they are kings in. They are so admired in this competition and they will piss it all away. Disgraceful.
Domestically, what is the point? The second you are out of the title race, why even try? Liverpool would be resting players by New Years this season. Why compete in the EPL when you are still playing so many games in the super league? Getting 2nd, 3rd, 4th in the EPL is irrelevant. So once City or Liverpool or United get a comfortable lead then why keep trying? All 6 English teams will not remain competitive in the EPL so I would guess at least 3 will be resting players by New Years to focus on Super League placement (if they even care about that). It destroys the competition in domestic leagues. What about teams like Leicester, West Ham, Aston Villa? These teams can overtake Spurs easily (or already have) as the consistent top finishers. Now they do it for nothing. What is the point of the season once a team has a somewhat comfortable lead.
There is no risk for the big teams. No reason to push for the league. No reason to compete. The money will constantly come in and it will be mostly the same every season. You will push to win the Super League but once that is out of the realm of possibility, what is the competition? Spurs will be walking through the motions in the Super League within a month. They will not be punished for not being competitive because their owner is on the board. It is a complete joke of a league where teams will not get punished. I hope the Leagues, UEFA and FIFA come down on this. It will ruin mid table clubs and make winning the league even more impossible.
