European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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Skills said:
My question is - what right does FIFA or UEFA have to do that? How did UEFA secure exclusivity to European club competition? I'm still waiting for this answer
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ROFLUTION said:
This, I don't get neither. I'd like to be informed on it however. Don't see how having a monopoly on creating a leagues obey to EU-laws neither.
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As I understand it, the leagues are members of the UEFA and FIFA and the clubs are members of the leagues. This makes the players members of these world wide associations that organize the WC/EC/CA/etc. You are only allowed to partake if you are a member of this association.

Say I found a club and youbfound a club and we then organize a league for us. We have every right to do so but we are no part of UEFA/FIFA so we can't partake at UEFA or FIFA tournaments. So if a coach wanted to nominate you or me, it wouldn't be possible because we are no members.

Likewise you can organize a tournament and call it the 'SKILLS AND ROFLUTION (SAR) WC' and have every right to do so. The only thing making it less important is prestige.
 
What would you think as a manager or player for one of these clubs? Your progress, season and potentially the Euros are all in jeopardy because your bosses have decided to lock in profit at the sake of fairness and fandom.

It really does leave a bitter taste that we are one of the leaders of this.
 
I'm old enough to remember the days when the team at the bottom of the old 4th Division didn't automatically get relegated (and thus a team which won what is now the Conference didn't come up) but relied on a vote from other clubs to seal their fate. I hated that then and hate the idea of a competition now where most of the clubs were guaranteed to say in the "super" league.

Just listened to Gary Neville's podast and he's right United played in the Champions League all those years because they earned it - and this season a team like Leicester City would not automatically get in. We may have hated losing in Istanbul this year but Basaksehir earned their right to play us (arguably as much right to be there as we were given all those qualifiers they played) - and that right was proved by the fact they beat us - and let's not forget in the Treble year we had to earn the right to compete by playing a qualifier before the PL season started.

Nev's podcast is great - boy he's fuming. Make's Roy Keane sound like a playful kitten by comparison! What he doesn't say, surprisingly, is that playing in Europe every week will leave us knackered and screw any chance of winning the PL (even if we were allowed to stay) and just how would fans be able to get to away games an away game presumable every second week of the season. Every second week - and who would show the games and just how much would the nice American bank running things want to charge us?

Can't say I'm surprised by the Glazers and Woodward being in favour, same can be said of all the owners looking to line their pockets as if they aren't rich enough already. The fact that Bayern aren't interested speaks volumes - a club with class which consistently does the right things.

On top of all other things, how dull will it be playing pretty much exactly the same few teams time and time again?
 
Skills said:
My question is - what right does FIFA or UEFA have to do that? How did UEFA secure exclusivity to European club competition? I'm still waiting for this answer
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It's through FIFA statutes everyone agreed to that, conferederations, federations and every licensed members of federations. In theory you could refuse but in that case you have to leave the system or get into a new legal battle involving at least CAS(which is also an agreement) and probably actual courts.
 
Like i said before the players need to boycott, they have to speak up! now isn't the time to be having a lockjaw.
 
Self entitled greedy fecking fecks.

How fecking dumb does the Superleague sound?!

The world really is a money driven merry go round. We all knew that, but you still had a ounce of hope that not everything is about money, that there is still some pride and integrity in this world.

They can all feck off if this goes through.
 
Sultan said:
Cricket fans will remember similar arguments against the T20, IPL, and Kerry Packer. Players clubs and national associations have had to relent and give permission for players to take part.
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ROFLUTION said:
Out of curiosity how has it been? Entertaining, boring, meh?
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Ironically, T20 killed my love for the game. I'm sure older cricket lovers will confirm that ODIs had the same impact, but T20s for my cricket watching era, resulted in an overwhelming shift in favour of batsman and against bowlers.
 
Nani Nana said:
Truth be told, AC Milan and Internazionale are no better than Everton and West Ham. Average clubs.

What irks me is they use the historical clout generated by Champions League success, to break away from UEFA. The very hand that fed these clubs for many years.

In terms of quality, the league will not be better than Premier League. It would take a few years for Italian clubs to catch up thanks to enormous pay check.

You are just giving TV rights money to Inter rather than Aston Villa though.

I can see the point for Italian and Spanish clubs, not sure what big 6 PL clubs' rationale is.
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Yes this. With the state of La Liga and Serie A, you can see why they would want this. Those leagues are at their death knells.

Honestly I would rather watch the likes of Everton or Villa rather than Inter. Europe has always just been a bonus. The domestic game is much more interesting to me.
 
The FA and PL set the wheels in motion themselves when they allowed Oligarchs and US owners to takeover the clubs. They can feck off.
 
Sultan said:
Cricket fans will remember similar arguments against the T20, IPL, and Kerry Packer. Players clubs and national associations have had to relent and give permission for players to take part.
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Good point. But there's two main differences here in my opinion. One, the reaction against this league has come from all levels and in many countries. Cricket while huge in numbers of fans, is very concentrated in 3,4 key countries; two, I think the zeitgeist has really changed and the accusations of greedy capitalism will stick much, much more in this era of ubiquitous social media.
 
Just playing devils advocate - is there a case to be made for the elite football clubs who generate much of the revenue not getting their due share of the pie from UEFA or is it all down to them being too greedy?
 
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...he-english-football-association-the-premier-/

"As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."

If this is true then there will be no more PL games for said clubs this season, nor any cups. Maybe not even intl games for the players.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Yes this. With the state of La Liga and Serie A, you can see why they would want this. Those leagues are at their death knells.

Honestly I would rather watch the likes of Everton or Villa rather than Inter. Europe has always just been a bonus. The domestic game is much more interesting to me.
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Most teams in the premiership would do extremely well in every other league in Europe because they are all rich. We have the best league in the world and these clubs are going to destroy it to be part of a much inferior product.
 
KM said:
The FA and PL set the wheels in motion themselves when they allowed Oligarchs and US owners to takeover the clubs. They can feck off.
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Thing is, Madrid and Barcelona are also in favour of this, as I suppose there's always a desire for extra money to be pocketed, or be made available for expanding your business.
 
I genuinely want the Premier League to punish the teams involved. Find a way to guarantee West Ham, Leicester and Everton qualify for next year's Champions League. Start creating a new "big 4" since it was all some media manufactured thing anyway. If these teams don''t want to be in the Champions League don't let them be, let all these teams sit out European Football for the next 3 years.
 
This is all about the owners greed. The PL, UEFA and FIFA should all stop crying as they allowed football to get to this stage by allowing immoral owners to take over our historic clubs and corrupt oil barons and countries to decimate the integrity of our competitions. Sky and BT also culpable.

This has nothing to do with 99.9999999% of stakeholders: players, staff, fans. They just want to line their pockets
 
KM said:
The FA and PL set the wheels in motion themselves when they allowed Oligarchs and US owners to takeover the clubs. They can feck off.
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exactly

They are just pissed they can't profit otherwise they would be happy
Sky the same, they probably aren't involved so are happy to air negativity towards it


Whoever wins, the fans lose in the end.

The owners, FIFA, UEFA and all these millionaires with their faux outrage can fck off (especially the ex players who will happily take jobs to be pundits and commentators)
 
Zehner said:
I also wonder if they really got the calculations correct. 10 guaranteed games against world class opposition sounda nice on paper but realistically the effect will wear off quickly. In no time, United playing Tottenham is the new United playing Sheffield. And Barcelona playing Juventus is the new Barca playing Sevilla. The atmosphere that surrounded these ties in the knockout stages of the CL will be no more.
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Quite. It's insane that they haven't realised this. Liverpool-Juventus or Man Utd-Barca are special because they happen so rarely, and the teams have to work so hard to earn the right to play those games.
 
Cardboard elk said:
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...he-english-football-association-the-premier-/

"As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."

If this is true then there will be no more PL games for said clubs this season, nor any cups. Maybe not even intl games for the players.
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Not happening. People need to slow down. So far it's just a rumour/announcement. This is going to take a long while to materialise, if it ever does.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Yes this. With the state of La Liga and Serie A, you can see why they would want this. Those leagues are at their death knells.

Honestly I would rather watch the likes of Everton or Villa rather than Inter. Europe has always just been a bonus. The domestic game is much more interesting to me.
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I have seen that just for the invite each club will earn £425m. That’s 4 times more than winning the Premier League. Any United fan wanting this is an idiot. Do they honestly think that additional money will go back into our squad and stadium?
 
I'm a bit out of the loop, can someone fill me in? I get the premise/ concept of the proposal but what stage are we at? Have the clubs officially made a statement they can't back down from or have they registered their interest to gauge public/ wider perception?
 
Cardboard elk said:
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...he-english-football-association-the-premier-/

"As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."

If this is true then there will be no more PL games for said clubs this season, nor any cups. Maybe not even intl games for the players.
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The breakaways are going to have to go home with their tails between their legs. The reaction has been fierce and overwhelming. The hit to UEFA's pockets is not immediate, it'll take a couple of seasons before they feel it. This hammer is immediate.
 
RoyH1 said:
Good point. But there's two main differences here in my opinion. One, the reaction against this league has come from all levels and in many countries. Cricket while huge in numbers of fans, is very concentrated in 3,4 key countries; two, I think the zeitgeist has really changed and the accusations of greedy capitalism will stick much, much more in this era of ubiquitous social media.
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There is also one major difference with cricket (and I always though Packer was a w@nker): the county championship never drew huge crowds and was barely covered on TV
 
Btw people saying that the PL should throw away the big six are surely looking at the smaller picture. The other 14 clubs will be financially destroyed if the big six are out of the league. The TV revenue will be reduced by 70-80% imo.
 
Brightonian said:
Quite. It's insane that they haven't realised this. Liverpool-Juventus or Man Utd-Barca are special because they happen so rarely, and the teams have to work so hard to earn the right to play those games.
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Absolutely. Our great CL games are special because they were rare. Playing Madrid regularly will make it about as interesting as your regular game against Chelsea. The magic which is borne out of novelty will truly be lost IMO. Not that the PL games are boring but they are meaningful for other reasons such as your local history re: that club.
 
KM said:
Btw people saying that the PL should throw away the big six are surely looking at the smaller picture. The other 14 clubs will be financially destroyed if the big six are out of the league. The TV revenue will be reduced by 70-80% imo.
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Yes, it's easier said that done.

I reckon there are a lot of games being played right now by all parties. Power moves and posturing. Let's wait and watch to see what meaningful outcomes are actually realised.
 
I hope they dock enough points off the six clubs that it's Leicester and West Ham duking it out for the title this year. A strong message needs to be sent immediately or this isn't going away.
 
Sylar said:
exactly

They are just pissed they can't profit otherwise they would be happy
Sky the same, they probably aren't involved so are happy to air negativity towards it


Whoever wins, the fans lose in the end.

The owners, FIFA, UEFA and all these millionaires with their faux outrage can fck off (especially the ex players who will happily take jobs to be pundits and commentators)
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One scenario makes the fans lose more than the other for me. Football does need a total revamp in its institutions for sure but this would be a horrible start
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Thing is, Madrid and Barcelona are also in favour of this, as I suppose there's always a desire for extra money to be pocketed, or be made available for expanding your business.
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Real Madrid and Barcelona are both in riduclous amounts of debt. Ofcourse they are going to be a part of this. Madrid made 0 singings last summer. These two teams can do whatever the feck they want in their league with out any repercussions.

Having said that no team is going to back out of ESL. They will miss out on a lot of money. Fear of what they might miss out on. Its stupid.
 
Brightonian said:
Quite. It's insane that they haven't realised this. Liverpool-Juventus or Man Utd-Barca are special because they happen so rarely, and the teams have to work so hard to earn the right to play those games.
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I’m not sure that is true, given the interest in United-Liverpool and other domestic rivals every season/
 
The only way this could be stopped is:

All other clubs in the Prem/La liga/Bundesliga/Italian/French leagues decide not to sell players to the Superleague clubs.

In 3 years the SL clubs would be fecked.

No Mbappes, no Bruno, etc.

They could have all the money in the world, yet, they couldn't spend it.
Sure, you could buy brazilians and other South Americans....
 
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