So would these clubs be exempt from financial fair play
European Super League
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Everything you said is completely valid. Unfortunately, the wealth aspect seeped into football a long time ago and it was going to eventually rear its ugly head (I mean it did a couple of times on occasion). There will be more instances of greed taking over football, this is not the first nor the last.
Maybe so but it won't matter to the viewer. If we can't win the league and I know it doesn't matter if we finish 4th or 8th the game becomes a friendly and my interest, passion for the fixture dwindles.
Last 7 years we never really challenged for the league but it was exciting anyways. We had a battle to the last round to qualify for the CL. Last year it was exciting to the very last round. To watch a game that means nothing, isn't very fun for me atleast and with the Super-League the league could be dead by round 30.
Yeah a big if, and absolutely not confirmed officially anywhere. In fairness to him he posted this information in January and he got the 15 + 5 club number right, as well as the total financial figure.
Only reason that Tottenham were invited was because of Pochettino accomplishment. They should not be in this league regardless despite where Pochettino took them
Assuming this gets off the ground, those major clubs won't be able to say no. Sponsorships etc. are going to all flock to the ESL. There is just too large a potential payout with the ESL for clubs to ignore.
You think the Glazers care whether we win the League Cup, or the FA cup? They only care whether we qualify for the CL, and that's because of the finances - not the glory. And the ESL will just mean that there's even less pressure on performances on the pitch because we're a founder member, we're in. Of course our manager and players will want to win, but do you think that manager will receive significant backing in the transfer market? Why would the Glazers spend 150m to challenge for trophies when they can now spend 40m and still play in Europe all season. This is an appalling move for football in general, but it's also appalling for United, because unlike City, PSG etc we're not funded as a PR vanity project, nor are we run like Barca and Real - with a need to win trophies so you get re-elected as club president. We're run as a cash-cow for the Glazers, and this move means they'll be able to suck more money out of the club while leaving us further and further behind on the pitch.
They will have more of a chance to qualify for the champions league. The super league won't be the one and only competition, unless I've missed something?
Will the champions league and europa still exist, yes or no?
Will the super league clubs be excluded from entry, yes or no?
Does that mean other teams will qualify in their place, yes or no?
This is all I'm asking and all I'm considering is could this be good for those clubs, if the answers above are yes, yes and yes.
You're missing me completely, I'm suggesting this could mean those clubs actually do see European football. Rather than now where they can but likely won't ever qualify.
How many teams in the entire English football league have ever qualified for the champions league? How many teams have done it more than once? How many different teams have ever won the Premier League?
You're acting like this replaces all other competitions and the entry is barred. It's doesn't, it seems to add another layer and yes, that very top layer is closed off mostly but it actually then opens up space and competition in the other two.
It might not, I'm just considering it, stop straw manning me and making it out like I'm making arguments that I'm not. I've specifically said every time that I'm not arguing this is fact, I'm considering if it's possible and if so, are there potential upsides for other clubs that didn't exist before?
Not once have I said give a position to anyone for anything. At this point I have to think you're just not capable of having a conversation, you just don't read what's being said and can't form an appropriate response at all.
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If it was just a point, it would be negotiated behind the curtains. This is too public now. I think the decision is taken.
Whilst this is ridiculous, it's hardly as if this isn't already an issue? The ESL is just making it more centralised. You got teams in the EPL getting relegated who probably get a higher payout than some teams winning their leagues.
That's very possible, but I wonder how much of an effect the history and prestige of the Champion's League and the World Cup/Euro will weigh on the players' mind if it really comes down to UEFA/FIFA banning all players in the ESL clubs from those competitions.
They will now qualify for a meaningless version of Champions League with most big teams not in it and got the qualification because the big clubs didn't care or play seriously for it. Nothing to celebrate or consider as an achievement like what Leicester or WHU would have considered if they manage it this season. CL will become a pointless competition, the "elites" have dominated the important one without earning it.
Tell me the reason why Arsenal or Spurs got permanent spot in ESL and not Leicester who have been far better team than both these last 2 years? You know why right? Because Arsenal is just a fecking bigger brand name than Leicester will ever be, so who gives a shit if Leicester is actually the better team finishing 3rd-5th while Arsenal is languishing around 8th-10th? These are trivial.
As much of an effect it has on players deciding to play for clubs like PSG and City... not too much imo, unfortunately. Money talks at the end of the day. The best players are going to want to best pay and the best platform to showcase their ability and build their brand etc.
I'm quite impartial on the whole thing, I see benefits to both sides and haven't yet made up my mind until more concrete information re. how it will be undertaken comes out, but that aspect is one I'm worried about. Simply put, it's going to be even harder for 'smaller' clubs to keep hold of their best players, whilst also widening the gap between the elite and said clubs.
Didn't PL plot the idea of having a PL match /FA Cup outside of England ? This moral high stand from them about integrity is BS. They just want a cut of the money.
I don't think a proper outlet for negotiations actually exist which is why this is happening. UEFA took a firm stand to expand and the big clubs have made their stance visibly clear. If suspensions of big clubs ( which can't happen) or the Euros occur, then it would really be a stalemate and could mean the shutdown of football until this issue is resolved. It's the pandemic, fans aren't in the stadiums, not dates for next season have been set by either the ESL, the leagues or the champions league. It's public, but that's how the negotiations in basketball and American football are.
I think UEFA overplayed their hand here. The media are all lapping up against the clubs who actually have genuine grievances against UEFA, and the threats to players and clubs being made will only highlight how important big players and big clubs are to the sport. If a standstill was ever going to happen, it would be now.
That's not a good comparison, because playing for PSG and City will actually really enhance your chance to participate in the competitions I'm mentioning, or maybe only for PSG now that City is part of the ESL.
They should make this a biannual summer tournament instead.
It's more so to illustrate that I don't think the prestige and history of competitions or clubs really matter enough to players to over compensate for the supposed benefits the ESL will bring. The CL is iconic and what not now, but how long will that last when both the calibre of teams competing and the intrigue/sponsorships in the competition take a nose dive?
This piece of news is just so sad for me personally. I definitely would not watch the ESL. I don't even know if I would continue following Utd. I probably would still follow them in the EPL (provided that Utd still competes in it), but even then it would not be the same.
was thinking the same thing. Trophy phobic Spurs part of the elite 12 clubs. Incredible.You know, the thing that kept me going after SAF was the hope that someday we will come back to the top. And when we finally have a good team that looks like turning a corner, our owners come up with this stunt...
There is no use blaming the Glazers because Martin Edwards would have done the same thing. He didn’t hesitate to make a large profit when he sold his majority stake in the club. It never fails to surprise me how much a made up commodity like money has shaped human beings for much of our existence.
It saddens me that we will not compete in the UCL anymore. We lost one of our greatest teams ever trying to win this competition. All those blood, sweat and tears are for nought now.
A sad day for football.
There is no use blaming the Glazers because Martin Edwards would have done the same thing. He didn’t hesitate to make a large profit when he sold his majority stake in the club. It never fails to surprise me how much a made up commodity like money has shaped human beings for much of our existence.
It saddens me that we will not compete in the UCL anymore. We lost one of our greatest teams ever trying to win this competition. All those blood, sweat and tears are for nought now.
A sad day for football.
Feels like the UN Security Council. How has that been working out?
Football is in a very weird and surreal time at the moment. VAR, constant rule changes, no fans has also been surreal (but of course, necessary). I am not going to react to this news. I will look on powerlessly, reluctantly accepting whatever happens.
The crazy thing is we're going to find out soon.
This is the most blatant cashgrab I've seen in a while, maybe ever in sports. I for one do not want the american model with no relegation, and just having the same teams play each other time after time. Sure, you want to face the best teams, but facing them every week will get boring in the end. You need games against the "lesser" teams that don't make it easy for you by defending with 10 men to make the highs of the der klassiker, el classico, CL knockout stages etc be entertaining. At least it does for me.
What’s irritating me now is Arsenal and Arteta getting rewarded for their fecking shambles of a league campaign.
Basically this league will allow Arsenal to spend 75 mill on Pepe and stink up the Prem but still be allowed to take in a giant pot of money from this super league.
The other thing is, if this is purely postering how exactly are the likes of Arsenal and Spurs going to be catered for should Uefa cave and give greater CL revenue money around.
Seeing as how neither of those two clubs will be in next season and possibly for the season after.
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Basically this league will allow Arsenal to spend 75 mill on Pepe and stink up the Prem but still be allowed to take in a giant pot of money from this super league.
The other thing is, if this is purely postering how exactly are the likes of Arsenal and Spurs going to be catered for should Uefa cave and give greater CL revenue money around.
Seeing as how neither of those two clubs will be in next season and possibly for the season after.
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If this plan does actually happen, I could see soccer becoming a more global game with a super 12's in each continent. Then the winner and maybe runners up of each super 12's of each continent would maybe play out an annual Global Champions League mini league over a couple of months.
You could see the likes of Inter Miami and LA Galaxy from the USA, and the likes of Boca Juniors and Flamengo from South America, and the best 2 teams of Australia/Asia etc playing in a mini global Champions league against the 2 best of Europe each season whether Barcelona and Man Utd or whatever.
Seeing Utd guaranteed to play home and away to Barca, Madrid, Juventus etc each season is not the worst idea at all it must be said. The Champions League has gone a little stale in recent seasons and I'm not sure Real Madrid would dominate a Super 12's as much as they dominate the Champions League.
The weird thing is, why is there no Bayern, Dortmund or PSG in this supposed European super 12's? Seems like this new league could be a way of the rest of Europe stopping the likes of sugar-daddy clubs like PSG and City vastly outspending everyone each season.
So many unanswered questions right now. But football is forever evolving, The Champions League was a major upgrade on the European Cup that came before it. So I guess we'll need more answers before we know if this is a plan that will work well or not.
You could see the likes of Inter Miami and LA Galaxy from the USA, and the likes of Boca Juniors and Flamengo from South America, and the best 2 teams of Australia/Asia etc playing in a mini global Champions league against the 2 best of Europe each season whether Barcelona and Man Utd or whatever.
Seeing Utd guaranteed to play home and away to Barca, Madrid, Juventus etc each season is not the worst idea at all it must be said. The Champions League has gone a little stale in recent seasons and I'm not sure Real Madrid would dominate a Super 12's as much as they dominate the Champions League.
The weird thing is, why is there no Bayern, Dortmund or PSG in this supposed European super 12's? Seems like this new league could be a way of the rest of Europe stopping the likes of sugar-daddy clubs like PSG and City vastly outspending everyone each season.
So many unanswered questions right now. But football is forever evolving, The Champions League was a major upgrade on the European Cup that came before it. So I guess we'll need more answers before we know if this is a plan that will work well or not.
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Is this even happening? Everyone is crying about the end of football while some are saying it's just a negotiating tactic. It's not official right?
That's why the Super League is a shit idea. It's not based on footballing merit but power and money. Spurs and Arsenal have no business being considered super clubs right now just like we didn't when we finished 6th.
Anyhoo I will still watch it if this goes through but it seems to go against the spirit of natural justice and sportsmanship. Also, a part of me thinks this isn't actually happening but rather is a threat to uefa
Funny cause its true. But for that matter you can lump Arsenal in there.
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That's the thing though. Those players and clubs became famous over time because of their success. Twenty years ago Chelsea were not a big club, same as Spurs. Leeds used to be a big club until their downfall.
This super league will essentially create a franchise teams like in the US. There won't be a room for a new successful club like Leicester who are slowly getting to a pretty decent level.
Owners of those founders clubs won't give a damn if their players are no longer up to it because of age or form. Until now they had to rebuilt squads because of the champions league money. In the super league why would they invest money in a new squad if they could just rebuilt slowly for cheap while being last all the time and pocketing those huge earnings themselves? It's a recipe for disaster.
And I personally find it disrespecting when they talk of European super league while only clubs from 3 or 4 countries will play in it. In the age before tv money there were successful european clubs who are nowadays just happy if they manage to qualify for the group stages of the CL. It's a disgrace in my opinion.
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Why are Serie A clubs a shoe in as if it’s 1997? Second rate league who’s top teams are built on the discards of top European clubs. Half of their soon to be champions starting 11 doesn’t get into Leicesters.
At this point, there is only an announcement of an agreement between the clubs forming. You can sort of equate this to when the U.K. voted for Brexit a while back. There's still so much more to happen before this actually gets established, and there's no guarantee that it will get established, by the way. To further support this notion, Juventus themselves even alluded to this in their official statement:
There are some exceptions (Wolfsberg, Hoffenheim, and Leverkusen), but generally they must be owned 50% + 1 by supporters/the club. RB Leipzig is also hated because it uses some loopholes to get around the rules (only have 17 members and all are employees or associated with Red Bull).
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...become-the-most-hated-club-in-german-football
Based on this article, there's no way Dortmund would ever join the Super League. With Bayern having 290,000 members, I can't see them approving this either, if they would be involved in the process.
That's incredibly naive, of course it's greed.
Any reason other than greed, and the idea of an European Super-League, which could potentially have a lot of other merits, would have materialized in a different way: Namely by not having fixed spots and having solely sportive merit at the basis of the initial choice of members. Also by not including 6 clubs from a single country, a few of them only there because they are filthy rich or have the potential for generating wealth.