I understand you support ETH, but come on...
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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Wow, Is this stat true? That’s even worse than it feels. It’s literally relegation form.
Because there is higher expectations at United.
Spurs have spent nowhere neat the money and Arsenal have made huge strides and been very close to winning 2 titles. The 89 points they took last year would have won many league titles. Two years of Ten Hag and we are averaging 67.5 points a season.
What you are saying is irrelevant. ETH was asked why we have been seeing the same mistakes for two years now, not why he lost last night. It was a totally justified question that we are all asking, and should be answered. And that Arteta example you brought up is a bit daft if you ask me.
Aside from Ugarte, we'd have Ramus at number 9, and Luke Shaw at LB. Potentially Lenny Yoro too. Having an actual centre forwards change the balance of the team markedly.
I wanted him gone before the cup final last year, but we've backed him this far, I think we need to give him another 6 weeks at this point.
I understand you support ETH, but come on...
He is a Liverpool fan who is choosing to play a long game of WUMing on Redcafe. @Danny_ used to post openly as a LFC fan and then when Moyes took over decided to start pretending to be a United fan, with his only posts being in LVG/Moyes/Mourinho/Ole and now Ten Hag threads, telling everyone to be patient and not be knee-jerk etc. It's quite bizarre behavior and the sad part is he must be in his 30s by now considering how long he has been registered here.
That’s exactly what it is. Such delusion borne out of hope. Wank position to be in as fans.
Exactly. Truly backing the manager would involve kidnapping the player who clearly has no interest in signing for us and coercing him to do so.
Should be put under his username so we don't have to answer posts thinking he is a United supporter. (Mods?)
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People need to get out of their minds that there has to be a "better option on paper" alternative out there before you replace a manager.
It is about being the right fit for a particular team, or maybe for this league. Ten Hag has shown over the last season and now into this, that he cant get a tune out of this team. Even when we win, it is rarely convincing. Maybe his way of playing isn't suited to the Premier League.
What are you going to do? Wait for someone to come along that has a better resume? No, you just find someone who may be a better fit.
The most lenient fanbase I've ever seen from a top tier sports club.
Forget only football. I've never seen a fanbase that just accepts mediocrity like we do. @Skills has a point at times. It seeps into the club.
Not sure what ETH is trying to do/play here. At Ajax he always played with a double pivot in the beginning at least. Schone/De Jong was the pairing that got them to the CL semis.
And yet somehow he decided to walk away from that and to make matters worse, he plays Case as a single pivot even though he doesn't have the legs nor the passing range to do so. Very weird set up really.
I wonder if he is trying to accommodate Bruno? But if that is the case, we should move to a 4-4-2 diamond and have Ugarte as our base, Mainoo and Mount as our 8s and Bruno as our No. 10. Have Rashford/Hojlund/Garnacho/Zirkzee as our 2 CFs.
And yet somehow he decided to walk away from that and to make matters worse, he plays Case as a single pivot even though he doesn't have the legs nor the passing range to do so. Very weird set up really.
I wonder if he is trying to accommodate Bruno? But if that is the case, we should move to a 4-4-2 diamond and have Ugarte as our base, Mainoo and Mount as our 8s and Bruno as our No. 10. Have Rashford/Hojlund/Garnacho/Zirkzee as our 2 CFs.
I am right. He said it in an interview with RAC1 (radio channel) and later other Spanish news outlets like AS and Gerard Romero confirmed it too, back then as well as now. You don't have to search hard to find all of this. It is pretty widely reported.
I agree on Casemiro being a shit substitute for him by the way, but I think he's gotten enough of "his own guys" to say he's been backed pretty heavily too.
There isn’t much nuance left in this argument, that’s the frustrating thing. We will all debate it and drag it out, but there is nothing left.
It is just a waiting game now. He isn’t a good coach and he has proven that as decisively as you can at a big club.
It is just a waiting game now. He isn’t a good coach and he has proven that as decisively as you can at a big club.
He’s shown no semblance of a plan for 18 months now. We routinely get outplayed by teams not just lower down the PL but in the league cup, FA cup and European games even if we do scrape the results.
He has talked ad nauseam about individual errors or players not following the plan. Well whatever the plan is either these players can’t execute it or it’s a bad plan. When you keep making ‘individual errors’ at the rate we do then it starts to indicate a pattern.
Whatever this system is trying to be it puts too much emphasis on individuals. The best teams score goals through the sheer quantity of chances they create. The best defences limit shots on goal. We create little and allow loads against. We are constantly asking our forwards to take the one or two chances they manage to create in a game which makes finishing even more pressurised than it already is while asking defenders and the goalkeeper to defend broken plays often man to man or even outnumbered.
Across football it’s interesting because tactics that go against the status quo have been making some waves. Whether that’s aspects of Xabi Alonso, Thiago Motta, Henrik Rydstrom or Fernando Diniz’s ideas. What Ten Hag is doing is definitely very different to almost anyone else out there but it just doesn’t seem to be something that will work even with patience.
He has talked ad nauseam about individual errors or players not following the plan. Well whatever the plan is either these players can’t execute it or it’s a bad plan. When you keep making ‘individual errors’ at the rate we do then it starts to indicate a pattern.
Whatever this system is trying to be it puts too much emphasis on individuals. The best teams score goals through the sheer quantity of chances they create. The best defences limit shots on goal. We create little and allow loads against. We are constantly asking our forwards to take the one or two chances they manage to create in a game which makes finishing even more pressurised than it already is while asking defenders and the goalkeeper to defend broken plays often man to man or even outnumbered.
Across football it’s interesting because tactics that go against the status quo have been making some waves. Whether that’s aspects of Xabi Alonso, Thiago Motta, Henrik Rydstrom or Fernando Diniz’s ideas. What Ten Hag is doing is definitely very different to almost anyone else out there but it just doesn’t seem to be something that will work even with patience.
People always go one about this, he was however knocked out by Pochettino with Spurs in that famous semi, with all his favourite players.
Not a magically clean slate, as I said before obviously you can't totally ignore the previous two seasons. I just don't think it does much good to go into the season thinking the manager is a dead man walking.
I agree that the buck stops with EtH and he's the one who will get the blame at the end of the day. It's just a little silly to say everything is his fault like that other poster was saying.
You’re absolutely right, I just checked his old posts. Thanks!
I mean Casemiro was a massive reason we kept losing the ball. If Ugarte could even just tidily maintain possession it would help. Probably not enough but that performance today from Casemiro should be a career ending one. It had shades of Neville years back.
There was a moment in the 1st half when Dalot made a run towards the center and near Liverpool's box.
A few seconds later, we lost the ball and the entire left flank was essentially vacant because of Dalot's run.
And this is a run Dalot's routinely made before so it's instructional.
I'm not sure there's another manager on the planet who'd instruct a full-back to make runs into central channels like that towards the opposing box.
A few seconds later, we lost the ball and the entire left flank was essentially vacant because of Dalot's run.
And this is a run Dalot's routinely made before so it's instructional.
I'm not sure there's another manager on the planet who'd instruct a full-back to make runs into central channels like that towards the opposing box.
Don’t think ETH will be here in December but I also don’t think it’s time for panic.
With the slew of changes we’ve had in backroom staff and players, some pain is necessary for future dividends to take root. This squad is still finding itself and hopefully this will be accelerated once we have someone new at the helm. The pain of this defeat feels necessary because it further solidifies our case for a new manager - even if it was blatantly clear for many before.
With the slew of changes we’ve had in backroom staff and players, some pain is necessary for future dividends to take root. This squad is still finding itself and hopefully this will be accelerated once we have someone new at the helm. The pain of this defeat feels necessary because it further solidifies our case for a new manager - even if it was blatantly clear for many before.
Throw Ruud in. He's a big bastard and at the very least he will look more intimidating than Walter Shite.
He was via Lucas' only world class game in his career. It wasn't like Poch took him to the cleaners. Felt more like Poch was extremely lucky to win that.
Deciding to do something different because what you’ve been doing for a while isn’t working is not “change for the sake of change”. If Ineos replaced Ten Hag with Ruud it’d be because they think he might do better. Some would disagree with that choice of course, but the only way to find out would be to do it.
No one knows if any replacement will be “good”. So it simply comes down to whether they want to continue with the same or try something new, whatever that new is.
It was clear during Fulham game that team is totally unorganized and playing same crap football like last season. Only thing we were better than last season was that we didn't give them 20+ shots, but 10. Then we got destroyed by Brighton and we became their traditional prey. Today another liverpool battering on OT, so after 3 games we have 3 points with uglyass football and crap "tactics" and EtH started to talk delusional and annoying things to the press.
What's worse we got him another 5 players who could become (or already are) deadwood like Sancho so new manager can't get rid of them easily. And I really don't trust EtH signings, and no one can say that those Netherland players are exclusively his choice.
What's worse we got him another 5 players who could become (or already are) deadwood like Sancho so new manager can't get rid of them easily. And I really don't trust EtH signings, and no one can say that those Netherland players are exclusively his choice.
Agreed. It's strange behavior for an apparently grown man.
We will have to agree to disagree
Well that makes more sense.
Yeah, genuinely shocking. Now ten Hag’s set up doesn’t help, but if you’re Casemiro in the build up and the fullbacks go way up the pitch, the last thing you do is give it away cheaply, especially against Liverpool.
There was a replay from behind Casemiro of what he could see and it made that first time pass before their first goal even more mind boggling. He tried to thread it through the eye of a needle between three scouse attackers. Absolute suicide ball.
Our team is littered with bad decision makers. The final 3rd is the worst, but it’s everywhere. And you’d have to place some amount of blame on the manager for that.
Yes, Ugarte seems to keep it a lot more simple. But we need a balance of that and being able to open teams up too. I hope he has a big impact though.
How did you completely miss the point?
Complete and utter nonsensical hyperbole. They didn't destroy us. We gifted them their 2 goals.
We can call out poor performances without resorting to nonsense like that.
OK fair enough. I can't find any direct quotes from Frenkie himself, just reports from sources and one quote from his dad about the weather. It doesn't really matter anyways.
Mate they were shouting Oles as they attempted to walk it In the net for the 5th time.
We were cometley and utterly outclassed and embarrassed.
OK fair enough.
Reasons for why we are still so shite:
Not enough timeWasn't backed in the transfer marketNot ETH's teamMassive injuriesToo many deadwood impacting morale- Piss-poor tactics that got found out
- Unable to score to save our live
I’m old enough to remember when he came out after the Fulham game and said something like ‘forget about last season, these back 4 are a proper unit’
This is my feeling too, he has 6 more PL games, 1 Carabo cup and 3 Europa league games. I have a feeling that if he doesn’t have 14/15 points in the EPL, qualified into Carrabo cup 4th round and at least 5 points in Europa league, he’s gone!
He’s basically now going to be living month to month as he’s started yet another PL season very poorly with 2 losses from 3 matches.
Are you guys purposefully ignoring the rest of my point or did you just miss it? What's delusional about giving a manager a chance under a new structure, with new coaches, and new players while also keeping in mind that the past seasons happened but under different circumstances?