Melville Red
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There’s a 2 week break now is the time to act.
What a load of crap! He’s been here 2 full seasons and into his third. He’s been backed every season with any player he’s asked for, the board are able to get. He is out of his depth, simple as that.I think it's silly to sack him after 3 games because he was backed in the summer by the new regime, there's a new coaching set up and new signings that haven't even played yet. I'm trying to approach it as if EtH has just been hired over the summer. Every manager deserves more than 3 games to show their worth but not forever obviously. I think Christmas time is the clichéd sacking point because it gives the new manager coming in enough time to turn things around plus a transfer window.
Well they need to swallow their pride.
They've got enough credit in the bank, for me anyway, due to the work they've done in the recent transfer window. But they've backed the wrong horse here.
He wouldn't do any worse.
Seeing Manchester United fans running around with this “2 trophies” thing is so disheartening. fecking hell
Alright, now that people have got the anger out of their systems, just want to make a few points. 1) All the realistic alternatives out there to ETH are cr@p. 2) We are 3 games into the new season. Last season was bad but he had terrible injuries. 3) I don't think any manager could do much better with this set of players. Too many of them need to go but United can't sell them because nobody else is willing to pay the crazy wages for them. That's down to the recruitment at the club and we already know
that this is done nowadays by a transfer committee. It's that which needs to be looked at. How many managers have been sacked and what has changed? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result doesn't tend to work out well. Yes, ETH has a veto on players (probably) but he is not responsible for the recruitment.
Yes, but we never act in the sensible time.There’s a 2 week break now is the time to act.
Seeing Manchester United fans running around with this “2 trophies” thing is so disheartening. fecking hell
Complete and utter delusional nonsense.
Same, he's really starting to piss me off now.swear to god, if he mentions those two diddy cups he won one more time ill do my nut
What's a load of crap specifically? I'm not sure I want to get into the signings made under the previous regime again but to say he got every player he asked for is just straight up incorrect.What a load of crap! He’s been here 2 full seasons and into his third. He’s been backed every season with any player he’s asked for, the board are able to get. He is out of his depth, simple as that.
I disagree that there’s managers out there who couldn’t do better than him (none of our previous managers post-Fergie finished as bad in the league as him). We look comically bad going forward, maybe as bad as we did under van Gaal. New managers to the PL have shown him up tactically and embarrassed him. If a manager doesn’t work out, you fire them. Just because a bunch of managers didn’t work out doesn’t mean the solution is to give them more time just for the sake of it. Every other club does it - we just give too big of a leash for most managers if anything. It’s also the manager’s job to work with the squad they have and get the best out of them, and he’s certainly not doing it.Alright, now that people have got the anger out of their systems, just want to make a few points. 1) All the realistic alternatives out there to ETH are cr@p. 2) We are 3 games into the new season. Last season was bad but he had terrible injuries. 3) I don't think any manager could do much better with this set of players. Too many of them need to go but United can't sell them because nobody else is willing to pay the crazy wages for them. That's down to the recruitment at the club and we already know that this is done nowadays by a transfer committee. It's that which needs to be looked at. How many managers have been sacked and what has changed? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result doesn't tend to work out well. Yes, ETH has a veto on players (probably) but he is not responsible for the recruitment.
A lot of good those trophies are doing now. Look at the effect on our manager. They've made think he's actually better than he is.Seeing Manchester United fans running around with this “2 trophies” thing is so disheartening. fecking hell
Please I can’t put up with another season like last season.On the fence. I was on the McKenna train this summer, but the other options did not appeal to me at all. I do wonder if changing managers during the season will make this malaise rub off on them too.
If we have another shite season then of course, we'll need a change. I think a new manager would be better served coming in next summer when hopefully the hierarchy gets busy with near enough completing the clear out.
Where is the poll at at the moment?
or the Newcastle defeat where I think we had 8 starters from the previous managers
If anything it shows Ole wasn’t the clueless coach some people depicted hereWatching United this last year actually makes me miss the McFred pivot.
He needs to change the tactics, yesterday.
The gloating that they were somehow vindicated because INEOS had made a terrible decision.Agreed, especially given the abuse many of them happily dished out to anyone with a dissenting opinion.
Alright, now that people have got the anger out of their systems, just want to make a few points. 1) All the realistic alternatives out there to ETH are cr@p. 2) We are 3 games into the new season. Last season was bad but he had terrible injuries. 3) I don't think any manager could do much better with this set of players. Too many of them need to go but United can't sell them because nobody else is willing to pay the crazy wages for them. That's down to the recruitment at the club and we already know that this is done nowadays by a transfer committee. It's that which needs to be looked at. How many managers have been sacked and what has changed? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result doesn't tend to work out well. Yes, ETH has a veto on players (probably) but he is not responsible for the recruitment.
This guy is such a fraud, it's unreal. I feel stupid for being suckered in by that FA Cup, despite knowing he should have been sacked for so long. Beaten by a 31-year-old in his second game at a big club, then shit on at home by a guy in his third game in charge of Liverpool. That after spending 700 million and in his third year, although no doubt the clueless resident "football experts" will come to explain how it's actually fine because SAF did it once 40 years ago, and United "look better than last season", which is demonstrably untrue. Absolutely zero progress since two years ago. None, and that is objective reality, not some delusional make-believe. This clown couldn’t coach a midfield to save his life. INEOS made a catastrophic mistake by keeping him.
For the love of God, sack this fraud, crawl back to Tuchel and beg him to take the job. This break is the time to do it. I absolutely guarantee you 100% this team will look better after a month, although I guess even someone like Solskjaer could do it. . It won’t get any better under this manager, now or 2 years into the future. And on that note, also make sure to sack the set piece coach.
Time for INEOS to show what they are actually about – weak and pathetic invertebrates or people capable owning up and doing what must be done. I already have an inkling which it is.
Agreed, especially given the abuse many of them happily dished out to anyone with a dissenting opinion.
You saying you are treating him as only been here 3 games as if he is a new manager. Same shit different season and same excuses from TH this is his team yet he can’t get a performance from them. It’s all on him.What's a load of crap specifically? I'm not sure I want to get into the signings made under the previous regime again but to say he got every player he asked for is just straight up incorrect.
IF he survives through the international break, which he only may because managers are rarely sacked after 3 games, next 6 fixtures are all the kind that he should win, but majority of them we can easily lose if we play like we did today.
Those 6 league fixtures
1. Southampton (A)
2. Crystal Palace (A)
3. Spurs (H)
4. Aston Villa (A)
5. Brentford (H)
6. West Ham (A)
I think, if he drops more than 3 points out of the 18 possible in these games, he is not making it
Unfortunately, I do think he will fail that test, even with Ugarte, because as big of a problem as Casemiro was, he was far from the only problem today
The days when some complained that we were 'playing 2 DMs' . Now we'd give anything to have something resembling a midfield.If anything it shows Ole wasn’t the clueless coach some people depicted here
Any suggestions for a new manager then? A real name instead of ''anything is better? I dont think Klopp is willing to take the job for example.
Yes, if we play like we did today I can see us losing 3 of these games and drawing couple more, which would be dropping a lot of pointsLikely will lose at Villa and draw atleast one of the games against Spurs or West Ham. 99% sure we drop more than 3 points from those 6 games.
And in hindsight every one of them was a terrible, regressive appointment apart from Ten Hag but he's been exposed outside of the comfort zone of Ajax.It's fair to say that we've had a 0% success rate with managers post-Fergie. That's astounding.
This guy's not going anywhere. We just brought in more of his ex-players and got him a dutch assistant coach with United-history. He'll be here at least out this season unless a total collapse.
This is the way. Our fixture list is pretty rough to start, give the team a chance to get up to speed.A bad day today but I'm going to reserve judgement until I see something like a first choice team out there. If it's not meaningfully better I think he's gone by Christmas though.