It’s going to be a longggggggg season if this thread is going to be like this irrespective of performance.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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He just happened to agree with you in this instance. Strange to invoke him as some sort of authority on anything.
The same number as us, but they’ve scored almost twice as many goals. What’s your point?
I don't care. It's the same usual crap, we play ok for a half, then we play crap for the second. There is no consistency. We have no consistency, we've never once had consistency since he took charge. Theres always an excuse for the Manager. Every single time.
Tbh, the whole starting off with good intensity and then not doing much in the second half rings a bell.
Oh he’s not an authority on anything. He’s a mug… kind of my point though.
For me, this is the problem. Performances are fine, but how many seasons do we have to waste hopelessly plodding through. Things don't have to be at rock bottom to make a change. I think we have good players now. It's clear we can press and play intricate football. We've already wasted another season where we won't sniff the title. For us to move forward, we actually have to move forward. I don't think we can afford to just think of challenging these teams, we actually have to do it.
Performances aren’t the only thing that matter. Results matter too. So if the results continue to disappoint like today, then yes, it’s going to be a very long season.
But we did play good today. I won't call it a false dawn type performance
As I mentioned 7 points from 5 games isnt ideal but any sensible United fan knows we are not going to challenge for the title (if thats what you are expecting) with the current squad and we wont be relegated either whether under Ten Hag or not. We were the better team and should have won against Man City, Brighton and today. Thats what I call progress and the results will follow.
I think if you don’t see any difference this season in the style of play you’re a bit daft. And I know you’re not daft so you’re just intrenched in wanting him gone. That’s fine but literally no point discussing the performance as it doesn’t matter to you as you said.
How many games last season did we have a first half quite like this?
Really surprised by the criticism? we are 11th in table.
I swear when did our fanbase become so accepting of mediocrity? Horrible goal difference, struggling to stay mid table being constantly outplayed and yes even today we were awful after 35 minutes and Palace had the better chances.
Yet everything is just peachy with our fans.
Its clear he's burrying his head in the sand.
It's the same inconsistency. Tell me I'm wrong.
It's not though. We actually had control for a large part of the game, which isn't anything like things under Ten Hag most of the time.
One of our major issues is, we rely on Eriksen, and have no one else who can do his job. For it to live and die on him is a death sentence for the manager, and again points to a poorly constructed squad.
In his second season we also finished 8th in the league and dropped out of the CL group stage from what should've been an easy group. It also been shown that other teams had worse injury problems than us last year.
I dunno, mate. We're still seeing the same issues that started to crop up eighteen months ago. Ten Hag seems incapable of fixing them. Ole was sacked after getting 17 points from a possible 32 in his third season, and he managed 3rd and 2nd place finishes. We need to have standards above "we were simply unlucky". We've been "unlucky" for a while now, and I don't see how more time will solve that. I haven't personally seen much from Ten Hag to suggest he'll suddenly make everything work. We might be playing a little better but we still can't score!
We had a good half, but the opposition made changes and adjusted, and we had no answer. Our changes basically killed the games for us.
Weird post. No one is saying the result was acceptable. It's clearly a post that's saying our performances are much improved. They tend to be a leading indicator of where wel head, rather than crying about the first 5 games.
We did! And that's great but there's no subsistence to our performances. So far our season consists of smashing a League One side and a great 60 minutes against Palace in a game we didn't win. We're hardly going places.
It's not about that, it's about knowing how to get a reaction out of your players. Dropping a player, who you played relentlessly through a patch of horrendous form after a couple of decent games, just makes zero sense.
Sack him.
5 games into the season and United is already out of title race.
But this small minded bald guy probably thinks all is good as long as United win Carling cup or FA cup.
5 games into the season and United is already out of title race.
But this small minded bald guy probably thinks all is good as long as United win Carling cup or FA cup.
Criticism of the performance today. I didn’t refer to the league position.
United dominated the game today and were extremely unlucky not to get a comfortable away win.
We don’t have to be hysterical all the time.
I don't think we were unlucky in many of our games last year. On balance we probably overperformed the underlying data despite finishing 8th.
Thats not exactly the same as dominating games better and creating a lot of good chances this season though.
Not saying we are going places. Performance wise we looked really good in the first half. Probably our best performance in ages in PL. Now next two PL games become must win so let us see if beating Barnsley was actually a false dawn or we are slowly becoming something decent.
If thats not the case, you cant genuinely argue that there are no signs of improvement. Be honest and acknowledge that there has been progress in our performance and style of play. We were actually dominant today and could have easily won.
No wayyou are lying to yourself if you think that was easier to convert than Eze pretty much having all time in the world to choose the corner to put the ball in.
We'll if we're stooping to laughing smilies, then
.I do think that, and the xG models agree with me.
We don’t seeing as we can’t seem to take our chances
Palace were woeful in the first half and then very average in the second half. We were just very average throughout the game.
That was very much a clash of two average midtable sides of I'm being honest.
Our defensive structure and control have improved from last season, but we still don't really make a huge amount of quality chances and that is very much a theme for the ten hag era, which I think is what will probably see his end eventually.
That was very much a clash of two average midtable sides of I'm being honest.
Our defensive structure and control have improved from last season, but we still don't really make a huge amount of quality chances and that is very much a theme for the ten hag era, which I think is what will probably see his end eventually.
Suffice to say I disagree for the time being, but this is reasonable enough that I'm happy to agree to disagree.
I don't think we were playing for a draw though, rather that the likes of Eriksen ran out of gas, and a lot of our forwards got impatient.
We'll if we're stooping to laughing smilies, then
I do think that, and the xG models agree with me.
Shows your how flawed and subjective your xG model gods are then, doesn't it?
This is just not necessarily true. Certainly not for the better, well drilled teams who have more talent on the bench. Often in tough games breakthroughs won’t come till later when the opposition tires and they can start turning the screw, making impactful subs and finding the breakthrough. The opposite happened under Ten Hag today, despite us having options off the bench.
Well obviously our improvement this season should be measured in various ways not just by the number of points accumulated over 5 games.
There are valid criticisms about game management in the second half, but the context is that this was still a game we were easily the better team, dominated the first half, and still controlled large portions of the second.
I would love to see improvements in our performances but all I see is us playing with intensity for a set period of the game, the opposition weathering the storm, and then us retreating into our shell while the manager can't adapt to the changes the opposition make while we almost, or actually do, lose the game. Today we were good for 60 minutes, against Brighton we were good for 20 minutes, against Spurs? Who knows! Could be 15 minutes, could be 80, but I promise you, it will be more of the same and you'll be in here banging the same drum ruing missed chances and whatever else.
When we are consistently, and that's the key word here, playing like this full for games and winning the ones we should, I will be delighted for Ten Hag to stay.
Which clubs have sustained intensity this season in their games?
Or alternatively, it shows how people will see what they want, and folks that want Ten Hag gone, especially the kind that use loaded words like "gods" and "cultists" to try to discredit dissenters, will see Palace having better chances as it fits their agenda.
Not us, but that's the only way we can play apparently.
You guys strike fear into me. We really are morphing into 90s Tottenham.
I also think this time right now is not ready to maintain and play high level football for 90 mins. That is why it is even more important to take the chances and build momentum. I hope this draw doesn't take the sting away from our performance in last 3 games. And hope we get a good win against Twente.