VP89
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I think the positive is if you create a lot consistently you'll end up scoring more and it'll even itself out.Are you trying to paint that as a positive???
I think the positive is if you create a lot consistently you'll end up scoring more and it'll even itself out.Are you trying to paint that as a positive???
Wrong again, we dominated a decent team away from home today. Not sure what you were watching the previous 12 months where we struggled to createLet’s be realistic , what we did v rubbish teams last Tuesday and Saturday has been out of the ordinary of what’s been happening for 12 months and today was back to normality .
There was nothing back to normality today. We had almost never dominated teams with near 70% match possession and 2-3 big chances created before the players even walk off for half time.Let’s be realistic , what we did v rubbish teams last Tuesday and Saturday has been out of the ordinary of what’s been happening for 12 months and today was back to normality .
It is one. Especially given how we were last season. By the way Arsenal have scored in 3 of their 4 and created less than usAre you trying to paint that as a positive???
I think anyone looking at a table 5 games in has a wider problem with their analysis of the game.
Ok we had 2 more on target chances than them, in 90 mins that is not a match winning stat.Palace did not create us much as we did for one. Secondly quality of opposition restricts your ability to create chances more than take them
Probably after about a third of the season.Only if that’s their only method of analyzing the game. If, however, it’s used as one piece of information in amongst various other pieces of information (such as watching matches), then it’s an absolutely valid reference point. Are you trying to say the league table should just be disregarded? How many games in does the league table become relevant?
Last season was embarrassing.It is one. Especially given how we were last season
Are you really attempting to argue against our domination in this game?Ok we had 2 more on target chances than them, in 90 mins that is not a match winning stat.
You could say the same about United, maybe mid table midiocrity is the level we are at.
There's no way you watched Spurs 5 games, 2 of which being against relegation fodder, and seriously think they're better than us.Only if that’s their only method of analyzing the game. If, however, it’s used as one piece of information in amongst various other pieces of information (such as watching matches), then it’s an absolutely valid reference point. Are you trying to say the league table should just be disregarded? How many games in does the league table become relevant?
Zirkzee is a much better player for the team then Hojlund. When ETH put him off, we couldn’t create a chance. So, I don’t think Hojlund will resolve our goal scoring problems.What has the opposition got to do with quality of our finishing? We created many chances against Palace today and should have been 3-0 up by half time. The obvious trend is in every game this season we are creating chances and the previous 2 games saw us take quite a few of them. The trend is obviously a good one.
We also now have our number 9 coming back from injury. Positive signs 3 clean sheets in 3 games. If we can continue of this path its a good sign.
Consistently creating chances and doninating games is a positive. Not sure it can be seen as a nagetive. Still have to convert that to consistent wins but its a step in the right direction. Under Fergie after a bad spell a consistent run of clean sheets is usually what we aimed for before going on to put a string of wins together.Last season was embarrassing.
If people are going to argue that any improvement from last season is tangible progress, some people on here have truly lost any sense of standard with this club.
For what it's worth, I think we played well today too until about the 60th minute. But the last 30 minutes were appalling and ETH's game management today was awful.
As if they can’t play together…Zirkzee is a much better player for the team then Hojlund. When ETH put him off, we couldn’t create a chance. So, I don’t think Hojlund will resolve our goal scoring problems.
Context matters. The performance against Soton Barnsley and Palace have been encouraging. The poster who I was replying had said beating Barnsley was a false dawn and that is where I replied.sorry but that sentence just sounds ridiculous.
It's alarming.It's staggering how low the bar is that people are defending now.
Wrong again, we dominated a decent team away from home today. Not sure what you were watching the previous 12 months where we struggled to create
I’m talking about our finishing.There was nothing back to normality today. We had almost never dominated teams with near 70% match possession and 2-3 big chances created before the players even walk off for half time.
Probably after about a third of the season.
Although not exactly like Spurs, we have been in the wilderness for the past 11 years if you havent noticed yetYou guys strike fear into me. We really are morphing into 90s Tottenham.
Celebrating a 0-0 draw because we dominated them for 45 mins is where we are at these daysIt's staggering how low the bar is that people are defending now.
You quite obviously have not followed the last 10 PL seasons where top 4 is never gone by then no matter how poor we have beenThis is pretty absurd when you think it through logically. Because chances of a top four finish can easily be pretty much gone if a team performs badly enough in the first 10-12 games. Failing to pick up points in the first third of the season is just as consequential to a team’s final placing as any other third of the season.
Who celebrated? Just because we are not bashing the team or moaning about no patterns of play and midfield structure that equates to celebrating?Celebrating a 0-0 draw because we dominated them for 45 mins is where we are at these days
That nobody would have succeeded under the previous structure.What does that actually mean though? The last two years don't matter? Just the cup wins though, they definitely matter right?
There's no way you watched Spurs 5 games, 2 of which being against relegation fodder, and seriously think they're better than us.
And I've always not bothered going by results in isolation until 8-9 weeks into the season that's irrespective of who is in charge. It's just too early doors to assume anything, unless a side cant buy a win in the first 4 weeks.
Yes, I think any team can beat any team in the Premier League and there is enough plausibility in Spurs creating enough to beat us given they are quite an attack focused side with quality players.I think they are enough of a threat to score goals against us. That’s why I think any assumption or expectation we’ll beat them is ill founded. You give Spurs the chances we gave Palace today and they could easily get a result.
And to be clear, I’m not predicting they will beat us. Given both team’s form, I think it’s a toss up. I was specifically taking issue with Cassidy’s assumption that we’d beat them.
Domination is not the same as winning, you don't win a league or a trophy by having the most possession, that is my point, this team continually fails to put away the few chances it actually creates.Are you really attempting to argue against our domination in this game?
Because he couldnt name a single team that has dominated an entire match this season.I've asked him to name which clubs are able to maintain intensity in any of their games this season so far. And I'm yet to get a reply.
The last two times we made the top four we were 7th and 4th after ten games. To suggest a team can’t do irreparable damage to their chances of making top four in one full third of the league is nonsense. It wouldn’t be mathematically impossible, but that’s not a sound basis for disregarding results for that large a chunk of the season.You quite obviously have not followed the last 10 PL seasons where top 4 is never gone by then no matter how poor we have been
Yes, I think any team can beat any team in the Premier League and there is enough plausibility in Spurs creating enough to beat us given they are quite an attack focused side with quality players.
That being said, you mentioned how Spurs are better than us because of their league position, or at least insinuated it. I'm just pointing out that logic is very flawed.
No they haven't. 2 of their games have been against relegation fodder. Their performances have not been better than ours and they have benefitted from easier games.I didn't say that. I said they have been doing marginally better than us so far this season. That is a fact. We have the same points but they have a better goal difference. Objectively, that is marginally better.
I dont see anyone celebrating the 0-0 draw. Reasonable people are just pointing out our dominant performance and that we should have/or could have won this game.Celebrating a 0-0 draw because we dominated them for 45 mins is where we are at these days
Dominant in the 1st half.I dont see anyone celebrating the 0-0 draw. Reasonable people are just pointing out our dominant performance and that we should have/or could have won this game.
7th.The last two times we made the top four we were 7th and 4th after ten games. To suggest a team can’t do irreparable damage to their chances of making top four in one full third of the league is nonsense. It wouldn’t be mathematically impossible, but that’s not a sound basis for disregarding results for that large a chunk of the season.
I suppose only time will tell.I agree witth this, my one difference is that ETH hasn't shown that he is capapble of leading us into a poition where we can once again compete with the (second) best in Europe.
Narrowly missing out an and ECL place this season would in my mind be seen as a distinct improvement, I just can't see that happening with this manager and Captain, we need better leadership on and off the field.
Celebrating a 0-0 draw because we dominated them for 45 mins is where we are at these days
Dominant 45 mins . Palace had the better chances in the 2nd .I dont see anyone celebrating the 0-0 draw. Reasonable people are just pointing out our dominant performance and that we should have/or could have won this game.
No they haven't. 2 of their games have been against relegation fodder. Their performances have not been better than ours and they have benefitted from easier games.
This is why looking at a sample size of 5 games to look at a league table is generally pointless, especially if there is a marginal difference.
Newcastle are not a very tough opponent. Newcastle are actually shite, they have been playing as bad as Crystal Palace in a couple games. They lost that game anyway. They drew to relegation fodder and they played another relegation fodder at home.And two of their games have been against very tough opposition in Arsenal and Newcastle.
You still seem to be missing the point. I was simply pointing out that an expectation that we would beat a team that is scoring more goals than us and is currently getting very similar results to us, whether we’re five games in or not, is not well founded. Do you disagree?