Pep is at city for years, arteta is at arsenal quite some time now and klopp was at Liverpool for years. 3 best teams in England.
The 2/3 year managers only last that long because things have went wrong.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
The 2/3 year managers only last that long because things have went wrong.
Yeah that's my thinking on it, get us into a better position and maybe in 2 years could attract Inzaghi/Nagelsmann heck maybe Alonso
If we tried selling them we wouldn't even get £400m back for what he's spent £600m on and that's ignoring the huge wages and CL prize money he's cost us.
I see no point in sacking him and having RVN as an interim manager and there is no manager available I can see out there that would be a given that he would any better.
If things happen near the end of the season when it has got no better then I would be happy for us to go after a young manager that has had more success and not just over one season.
No way we should put up with this until May
This is why INEOS have hired specialists, to oversee transfers going forward. It shouldn't be up to the manager to hand pick his signings, yes he should have a say but we've enough talent and experience in our ranks to start identifying players who will work with a range of different managers. Not in as chaotic a way as Chelsea have for example, but a similar kind of model.
I feel the 7-0 killed him and the team. He never overcame that
Only City won more trophies
Brentford 3-0 Manchester United
Manchester United 0-3 Bournemouth
Crystal Palace 4-0 Manchester United
Manchester United 1-3 Brighton
You've got to be taking the piss.
Things go wrong because that’s how it tends to go! Managers are just as disposable - if not moreso - than players.
Pep is at a sandbox football club and is the best manager in world football. Klopp is (was) the second best and was running on fumes for the last 18 months or so of that. Extreme examples which the rest of European football doesn’t align with. You’ve got Simeone as the major exception to the rule - though he is the highest paid manager in the world.
Arteta’s been there for a while because he’s shown linear success but it’ll reach a point soon where he has to prove he can do more than finish 2nd. Or maybe it won’t - Arsenal historically do have the cult of the manager like we do.
I think the signs were there before that. We stumbled into winning the league cup. If you go back and read some of the threads back then people were concerned about the final as our levels were dropping. Liverpool was the first team to see the weakness and they were ruthless in exploiting it.
Coventry 3 - 3 United. Not a hammering but we were 3-0 and they could have won it in the dying seconds. Coventry!!
Some still value the FA Cup
Maybe not the current crop of fan but it is huge for professional footballers and managers to have won the most prestigious domestic Cup in the world.
It's the only logical solution I think of at this moment in time. We had our chance during the summer and blew it. We now have to just own it and try to salvage the season.
Yep the season was built upon that run of form September until the World Cup which coincided with the hottest streak of form in Rashfords career. As you say we started grinding out results post World Cup and after the League Cup final our form really fell off a cliff and foreshadowed what life would be like for Macnhester United over the next 18 months.
We do realise that if we continue the league trend from last season that we’re in relegation form.
Glad you're sure because imo he's proven nothing to show he's a top manager. He's won the league with PSG and Bayarn, he should have went to Scotland and won the league with celtic just for the challenge.
Winning the CL with Chelsea is good but Di matteo done that. So its not really proof of the level he's at.
Nothing about him says to me that he is the one to turn United around.
But if we do get him, I'll back him and I hope you're right and will gratefully eat humble pie.
You also need to look at Arsenal's spend, the more the club spent the more the team performances incrementally improved, because the players were being integrated into a system that was proving to be successful. By the 400 million mark they were challenging for the league.
You could argue that if Arteta was given a plethora of resources at an earlier point of convenience his football intelligibility would see a drastic development with his teams performances.
It's the exact opposite with Erik, he's such an inept manager tactically that despite spending 650m he's regressed to an even worse basis beyond the point which he was hired under Ragnick being 6th.
I don't think it's comparable to measure Erik hypothetically against other managers given the circumstances, it was the right decision to hire him on the premise of his perceived value but intrinsically he's catastrophically failed to deliver.
He's only got himself to blame under those parameters, I think most managers improve if given the resources and time he has, they might not win the league but the bar is so low with Erik that it's indispensable to sack him on the merit of the club's own respect for itself alone, no other manager has ever plunged to such depths aside Moyes and we know his level as a manager.
There's no one in the world that could do better.
I didn't even insinuate that. I'm saying ten hag should show a lot more this season if the comparison to Arteta were to hold better weight.
And more generally to that, Arsenal give time and space to managers that generally allows them to be shit for extended periods before getting it right.
Ten hag has had more than enough time to show progression from 3rd place and hasn't exhibited it - which is a separate point.
None of these teams are sides rock bottom of the table. Ole had thumping to Everton toward the bottom too. Unsure on how this is related to the general point I made.
Personally I couldn't care less for numbers of the people with the wallet are clowns. Arteta didn't have clowns spending the cash.
Murtough is out there prioritising his transfers poorly and panic buying Antony when he could have negotiated him cheaper early doors. He's the one who paid 60m for Mount when our ceiling was 42m. He's the one who threw 70ish mil at Hojlund. It's just a mental way to allocate resources.
It's a trophy Manchester United should be winning, on their way to achieving greater things. Not exactly a bragging right when you've simultaneously finished 8th and bottom of your CL group. An incredibly easy group at that.
What happens across Europe is of no concern to me. English football is where united reside and if you look throughout English history from Busby babes era to the present day, the most dominant clubs generally do with managers who have been at the club for longer periods of time and that includes today
What we've seen this season based on a back 5 of Onana, Dalot, Martinez, DeLigt and Mazrouri should pop the balooon of the theory that our struggles last season were down to injuries and missing Martinez.
Simeone is also at a club where they don't really expect him to win anything or even compete that much.
With Ole he got beat by 13th placed Leicester 4-2, Liverpool 5-0 and Watford 4-1. He started the season well getting 4 wins in the opening 5 (the other being a draw).
It was a small slump in form that got him sacked. We were abject during that small period. ETHs bad form has been for 83 games.
Yes. But the causal relationship is that managers who are dominating, get to keep their jobs longer.
They've been at their respective clubs for years because they've brought success (or relative success in the case of Arteta). They haven't had success because they've been at their clubs for years.
Success>Longevity not Longevity>Success
Yeah, then Ole went on a run winning 1 from 7.With Ole he got beat by 13th placed Leicester 4-2, Liverpool 5-0 and Watford 4-1. He started the season well getting 4 wins in the opening 5 (the other being a draw).
It was a small slump in form that got him sacked. We were abject during that small period. ETHs bad form has been for 83 games.
I agree on Ten Hag being extended in shite form, but I don't think he had a run where it was 1 win from 7. If he had that now (he's roughly at the same point Ole was) then yeah I'm sure he'd be sacked. He should be sacked sooner than that.
They weren't far off it. They were a lot closer to that point than any of the mid table sides you named.
Getting a roasting on Sly Sports
If we hired Pep tomorrow there's no guarantee he'd work out here. But you can't just leave a guy in place who has the team in relegation form over months.
There's no guarantees in football but it's no excuse not to try something different. To let the current situation continue until the end of the season would be madness that would probably see us in a relegation scrap.
I think you're splitting hairs here to try and create a distinction between the two.
Getting battered by Bournemouth at home vs getting battered by Watford away.
Is there really any difference? A big enough difference to say one guy should get sacked and another should stay a bit longer?
What are they saying?
By Jay fecking Boothroyd and fecking O'Hara
We're officially a joke club
The idea is to correct it then and that is what we are hoping for and that will be the same for an interim because it will be these players that have to do it.
Turnaround needs to start today if it's to work out for him here.
Nothing you haven't read on here.
I'm not splitting hairs. We were 4 points off 16th place by mid November(!) the season Ole got sacked.
How is this comparable?
My vote is to sack Ten Hag, need I remind you. I'm just being here being questioned for having an opinion on who was more shit.
Evans and Maguire at centre back vs Villa sounds like a resigination letter.