He's not my first choice, however many of those aren't realistic or not available now anyway whereas he is so that's why I picked him
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
He's not my first choice, however many of those aren't realistic or not available now anyway whereas he is so that's why I picked him
That's only amusing/confusing to the sort of person who doesn't understand it's actually normal and ok to change your opinion, rather than stick to it no matter what
Of course I am aware of that and it is probably more the case that we have more than our fair share of players that we pay highly that are no longer as motivated as they once were and that is an issue no matter who the manager is.
Why would that crack you up. Every time you get a manager you're simply taking a punt on their ability.
Just because we wanted someone originally doesn't mean we shouldn't change our mind based on the fact we know have proof he is beyond useless.
People who don't change their mind based on literal facts are the ones that should be laughed at.
But again… do you win anything for that?
Pretty ETH won an FA cup aswell. So again. That’s more than Arteta. And I was referring to arsenal as a club winning next to nothing in the last 10 years. Our worse period would be most clubs golden era
But it worked for the first season when he exceeded expectation.
Have we now become a club that sacks a manager as soon as it is not going great....I would like to think we are better than that.
He's set us back years with his transfer business alone.No one is saying forever but for a manager to surpass expectation in his first season and then not so good in the second but still win the biggest domestic Cup in the world beating arguably the best team in world football in the process is hardly ruining the club.
It was not so long ago that we were saying this was the best transfer window we have had in years but now it is a disaster...you could not make this shit up
People really jumped the gun on a transfer window where we arguably didn't improve the starting XI.
Yes because that's the way most clubs work, we might have to burn through a couple of more yet until we find the right answer
It's hilarious watching The Guardian write the last rites of EtH:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...p-antony-set-tone-for-uniteds-slap-dash-spree
He did leave them with egg on their face after all:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-erik-ten-hag-regardless-of-cup-final-outcome
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...p-antony-set-tone-for-uniteds-slap-dash-spree
He did leave them with egg on their face after all:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-erik-ten-hag-regardless-of-cup-final-outcome
Hope they are proven right this time
Come on ...it is not that bad
Admittedly Antony is an absolute shocker and Casemiro we overpaid and put him on a contract 2 years longer than we should have but he cannot be blamed for that.
The rest are young and we are looking at potential being realised and that has been our way anyway.
Thanks, I thought that may have been the case and it was probably just Sky Sports sensationalism.
It indicates you can take fan opinions with a pinch of salt. I didnt even know who he was, but it seemed like 90% of fans were convinced he was 'that guy'. Browsing social media and on here, everybody seemed to be on board, I began to get excited and was duped into thinking this guy was the real deal.
So when names like Potter or Southgate pop up I tend to quickly scroll by the outrage comments. Maybe we need to take a gamble with the least fan favourites and skip the guys 90% would have.
Personally, I would of took Potch or Rodgers, most will laugh, while not having a clue!
Can someone explain to me why we extended his contract in the summer? He had a year left and it's not like anyone would've poached him from us. Now we have to pay him off and for what.
In the last 10 years:
Arsenal won 3 trophies (all of them FA cups)
United won 5 trophies (1 Europa League, 2 FA cups and 2 league cups)
So not a huge difference (5 vs 3), especially given that 2 of our trophies were Carabao
Did he feck.
He took a squad that had finished 2nd 2 years before on 74 points, added Martinez, Eriksen and Casemiro to it. Continued to play the same way they were playing and finished 3rd on 75 points.
Once he started implementing his own style of football everythings went tits up since then and we look like an amateur side most games and we're on a steep downward trajectory.
I suspect it was more a show of confidence in him. If Ineos didn't trigger the 1 year extension it would have seriously undermined his authority with the players.
The media would also use it as a stick to beat both the manager and the club with
The signings made under his watch have been the worst of any manager post fergie. They are also the least coherent and have left us with a weak, slow and technically poor team. It's obviously very early days under the new structure but the signings we have made could have been made under Woodward. If ineos were unsure about Erik or needed more time to bed on the new structure surely it would have made sense to show restraint this summer
If we'd have sacked him "as soon as it wasn't going great" he would've been gone 3 or 4 times over by now.
He tried to play his style the first two games and we got smashed then reverted to old ball amd were OK the rest of the season
Yeah, Thomas Tuchel will take the side who haven’t had positive goal difference in over 50 games backwards.
Hopefully we get the next big thing before another club snaps him up....I cannot see anyone out there at the moment.
So what I’m taking from your post is that we haven’t given ETH enough time?
I would just see him as a 2 year solution until we're in a position to sign one of the younger up and coming candidates. It's unfortunate that we're in a position we're forced to go for a quick fix again, but it's simply once again down to piss poor decisions and planning from the club. We had an entire summer to sort out all of this and stuck with a failed manager. That's the reality.
Yeah - season one was very mitigated by the fact we were deep in lots of competitions. There was a pervading theme of “we’ll play better next year - this is about setting the tone, getting used to the league etc.” — then after the World Cup we fell off a cliff performance wise and most victories were grinded unattractive wins.
Lot of home form heavy lifting - low scoring but cleansheets from the Varane-Martinez-Shaw combo at the back, and Rashford patches to score enough to see us through.
This old chestnut again. Looking at the owners he’s supposedly fallen out with who could blame him?
He’s a top manager and currently available, work with him and I’m sure he’ll succeed.
Well you win points which gives you progression in the league.
So you want to keep eth?
A lot of managers would not last a month if that was the case and thank feck we never thought that way in the early years of Fergie.
Even away from debunking that myth about him — like; how the feck have our fans not realised that it’s exceptionally common to have managers only last 2-3 year cycles?
This whole “long term manager fix” is not a thing anymore. You fix the club and look to set an overarching structure and system, and then you rotate managers around every few years with fresh ideas to get the best of that.
Did you forget last season?
If ETH is sacked after today's game, I'd rather appoint an interim and use the time between now and the end of the season to sign a manager that the management wants rather than someone "that'll do" because all that's available right now.
I think the issue right now in general terms is there's not many top managers around at the moment.
But it was just that - a decision that will end up costing us millions when we have little in the coffers. Clearly, they weren't that confident in him after whoring out for a manager the whole off-season. How does all of that inspire confidence in the mind of the players? It was utter stupidity because we all knew which way and if I recall correctly, we did exactly the same with Ole only to pay him off handsomely a few months later.
Last season doesn't count because of the injuries, in their minds.
And 1 of them was a European trophies. That outweighs the 3 arsenal have.
True mate. But if we was them I guarantee you’d have half of this place moaning because we’d be in a trophy drought and won nothing.. so we’d have nothing to celebrate. Can’t win sometimes
We were generally good for a couple of months and really good in a couple of games (e.g. vs Barcelona). For large parts of the season, however, we were not that good to watch even if we were grinding out results. On the underlying metrics we were actually 6th in the league (all of LvG/Jose/Ole had us performing 4th on underlying metrics in their first full seasons).
What was somewhat concerning is that there was no general trend of improving play over time (it should not necessarily be linear but after league cup the performances were trending downwards quite steadily), and the results seemed to more and more rely on a great form of a couple of players (Casemiro and Rashford). You usually (but not always) see an upward trend in performances under successful coaches, even if the results do not immediately follow.
However the results itself were alright in the first season and definitely above minimum expectations, so EtH got the benefit of the doubt. But there has been no improvement after the first season while squad was more and more reshaped to his liking (or at least with his blessing). Even this is generous as we were mid-table and lower on underlying metrics in last and current season. At the latest since the injury excuse ended arguing in his favor is honestly just a bad faith argument.
I see no way a reasonable person can now conclude that he is any good at this level, unless you cherry pick and attribute all or most of the good things to him and all or most of the bad things to others. It looks like the best he can do is what we witnessed in early 2023 and whatever ideas he has he just cannot implement them at this level.
That can be said for all of our managers since SAF , maybe minus Moyes. Every one of them got players who were overpaid and became a deadwood. Ole's was bad as well. Maguire and awb for 130m , sancho, donny. Jose's in hindsight has been fine as most of his players turned out to be decent.