The most likely scenario.Anyone else think we’ll get pumped on Sunday but Erik will still keep his job?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
The whole fecking structure of the footballing side of the club has been replaced, as everyone was crying out for.
occam's razor - the simplest solution is usually the best. I.e. replace the shite manager
As you wish:
Manager | Games | Goals Scored | GF Avg PG | Goals Conceded | GA Avg PG | GD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ETH | 123 | 206 | 1.67 | 161 | 1.31 | +45 |
Ole | 162 | 293 | 1.81 | 173 | 1.07 | +120 |
Jose | 144 | 244 | 1.69 | 121 | 0.84 | +123 |
LVG | 103 | 158 | 1.53 | 98 | 0.95 | +60 |
Here's the GC table again with LVG added:
Manager | Total Games | Conceded 2+ | 2+ Percentage | Conceded 3+ | 3+ Percentage |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ETH | 123 | 46 | 37.40% | 24 | 19.51% |
Ole | 162 | 47 | 29.01% | 14 | 8.64% |
Jose | 144 | 31 | 21.53% | 7 | 4.86% |
LVG | 103 | 23 | 22.33% | 8 | 7.77% |
Thanks for posting.
There are so many stats about how bad we've been under ETH it's surreal.
We're terrible and failing at pretty much everything.
We're terrible and failing at pretty much everything.
The worst part of our indecisiveness is that it keeps inviting these tricky situations where you know that you should be letting him go, but he’s just got you a result that is probably slightly too good to pull the trigger at this particular moment (even if it was largely by luck not design that he even got this result in the first place). If we somehow fluke a win at Villa they will have no choice but to keep him.
Just come off a terrible performance vs Spurs.A difficult spell in general.
We get a bit lucky with the keeper tonight making mistakes and find ourselves two up.
Just park the bus and take the result Erik.
We get a bit lucky with the keeper tonight making mistakes and find ourselves two up.
Just park the bus and take the result Erik.
We've changed razor blades 5 or six times already and we're all still getting burned.
Anyone else think we’ll get pumped on Sunday but Erik will still keep his job?
I think there's a very good chance of that happening. He survived last season, he can survive anything. It's just disappointing to know Woodward would have sacked him for not meeting standards, yet Ineos are allowing this to continue. I hope they prove me wrong but I think they know they'll look daft for sticking with him in the summer and sacking him at a less convenient time, and are just hoping he can get one or two wins to keep the fans happy. Even though they probably know we're going nowhere under him.
Look at the state of his cup draws. 98 % home games and he put out full strength lineups in most of those.
That Coventry whisker VAR offside saved him from being the biggest laughing stock in sports’ history.
One good thing is that atleast current manager cant hide behind “oh its Glazers fault “. We had a decent window, and ETH has all the players he wanted.
Now if he cant deliver in next few games, he should be sacked.
Now if he cant deliver in next few games, he should be sacked.
The most we'll get is a late draw, but still can't see him getting launched . It would have to be another 3-0 for that to happen.
ETH will be sacked either late sunday or early monday.
So when are we expecting to hear rumblings that his job is on the line?
After we lose to Villa?
After we lose to Villa?
Unfortunately, yes. I have no faith in INEOS. He clearly should have been sacked at the end of last season. They even made that decision as briefed by several reliable sources. They then did a u-turn and even so much as disucssed a whole new contract before he rejected it and they triggered the extension.Anyone else think we’ll get pumped on Sunday but Erik will still keep his job?
I think this is something that is often overlooked. He oversaw our worst ever PL and European performance in history and they actually sat down to discuss a new contract with him.
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I loath Woodward but at least he had the decency to sack someone who won the cup but finished 5th. Sickening to think this new gang came in and immediately lowered the standards to 8th being acceptable.
This club is broken man.
Seriously, though, if INEOS don't sack him on Monday, they are worse than the Glazers, and we are unlucky to have been bought by them.
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Interesting figures, nice one!
Using that first table, GF Avg PG - GA Avg PG could be an interesting additional column too. Well I think it is, not suggesting you put it on! How many goals we scored more than the oppo on a per game basis on average, or "goal supremacy" per match. It equalises out the raw GD number and eliminates them all having been in charge for different numbers of matches just like the GF/GA Avg colums do to begin with.
ETH 0.36
Ole 0.74
Jose 0.85
LVG 0.58
If all we did was come in 15th every year and get a jammy Carabao cup win, I’m not celebrating that. Sorry. You’re welcome to.
Skating on thin ice now, needs a win v Villa but even that could be delaying the inevitable.
Win or Lose against Villa should not matter if we dont see performance improvement. Otherwise its just delaying the inevitable
That’s how I feel too. If I don’t see a sacking by Monday lunchtime then this entire season is pointless. Don’t give a feck if we beat Villa. It’s a farce. We should have parted ways a day or two after the FA Cup Final and if anyone gave us shit for being cold blooded about it, we just point at the 8th place league finish and the bottom of our CL group which had Galatasaray and Copenhagen in it.
Go be miserable. You're welcome to
Perhaps a bit tinfoil, but I wonder if he's been told from above that he needs to rotate more, and he's gone into sabotage mode with some of his substitutions as a result (e.g., taking players off when they're playing well).
The fact that his team has conceded 2 or more goals in over 50% of his games and 3 or more in 24 games, he simply has to go after the Villa game whatever the result!
He’s bought some of the worst signings we’ve ever seen and now we will have De Ligt, Ugarte and Zirkzee to add to Antony and Casemiro.
Even Martinez looks like a fraud without R Varanne next to him, I mean right now Eriksen, Maguire and Onana are the only players who actually deserves any credit whatsoever.
We could beat Villa 4-0 on Sunday and I'd still want him sacked.
I really don’t think that’s what had happened at all. The “new gang” took full control in the summer. I think from there most people said that there would be changes but the manager would get the chance to prove himself under the new footballing structure. I don’t think there was any suggestion that 8th was acceptable, not when Berrada is saying the objective is to win the title in 2028. Which is in 3 seasons.
Now do I think keeping ETH was a mistake? Yes, absolutely. I argued heavily for his removal, and was hugely disappointed and upset he remained in post. However, the reality is that there was an enormous amount of fan pressure to keep him because he had won a trophy, and be given the right to prove himself under a proper footballing structure and with backing in the summer.
This put Ineos in a lose-lose situation. If they sacked him, fans would’ve been up in arms; and if the new manager had a sticky start it would’ve unravelled quickly in terms of atmosphere. In the end they stuck with a manager that the majority of fans wanted - however ill informed those fans were and misdirected those petitions were - and we are where we are. I have no doubt they are regretting that decision now, but I do wish the fan base would take some accountability for this mess too. They applied enormous pressure to keep Erik, which was stupid, and now many of the same people (not saying you) have the gall to turn the finger on Ineos.
Everything I’ve seen about restructuring behind the scenes is extremely positive. The people brought in are best in class. This was never going to be a quick fix, and Ineos know that. I am certain they have a list of replacement candidates, many of whom have already been interviewed in advance. I’m looking at this and their success or failure over a 3-5 year window.
Or it ain't that deep and the player who was 'playing well' became complacent and stopped doing the basics, resulting in a 2 goal collapse and so was hooked for his unprofessional attitude
There's no turning back now, this is just absolute chaos. I would rather we lose to Villa without him anywhere near the bench than endure another 90 minutes of his car crash football. I can understand the logic of letting him fall on his own sword on Sunday to give whoever a bit of time before Brentford, but if by Monday there isn't atleast heavy rumours of him being removed then the senior management will be just as culpable as ETH by prolonging this disaster class.
I don't see how improved performance matters. People were raving about 45 minutes against Palace and now look at us.
It's the same shitty predictable cycle again and again. Enough is enough
The first bit, maybe. The second bit, no
Someone should tell him that he’s gonna get judged a lot earlier than end of season
It's likely we'll have 4 defeats after 7 league games after Villa game. That's embarassing after all the money spent and 2+ years in charge. Not even going to mention other stats like goals conceded in games (tonight was another one where we concede 3, feels like we've had 15 of those over last year). Ten Hag has failed massively since the start of last season and is lucky to still be in his position. Hopefully it's only few more days.
That's one of the annoying things about our approach. We just have to hope that we will finally be ruthless and think long term in a proper sense and stop writing off full seasons due to a couple of victories at the final hour. Getting rid of LVG after the cup final was the right play and we should have done the same with Erik, but there is too much of a weird narrative around Manchester United and managers that nobody applies to any other club, which holds us back.
Unbelievable that he still has defenders, I think anyone supporting him is actively sabotaging the club and that includes INEOS if they aren’t taking action soon.
Maybe I missed this before but was just reading that Steve McLaren had a bust up with ETH about trying to play more pragmatic and less chaotic, this was the reason he left in the summer
I just watched us have another 3 goals dropped on our head by a mediocre side. Trust me I’m already miserable.
Judge not lest ye be judged...at the end of the season -Eric(3-0)
He's just so far out of his depth and has gotten overwhelmed with the pressure that he can't see or think clearly about his tactics, blaming others when it's his own garbage tactics that are the problem, time and time again. Beyond toxic is what he's become. fecking garbage.
Anyone else think we’ll get pumped on Sunday but Erik will still keep his job?
Would not surprise me at all. If he can survive last season he can survive anything. He is one of the most durable managers I've ever seen. Difficult to really visualize what it takes for him to be gotten rid of at this point.