Exactly, the fact that they didn't give him a new contract shows they weren't really convinced by him. It is time to make a change, its gone on too long, its not going to change. We will probably have a reaction tonight and play well for 20 mins and then blame "pathetic" mistakes or not being clinical enough, then go and get hammered at Villa park.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Exactly, the fact that they didn't give him a new contract shows they weren't really convinced by him. It is time to make a change, its gone on too long, its not going to change. We will probably have a reaction tonight and play well for 20 mins and then blame "pathetic" mistakes or not being clinical enough, then go and get hammered at Villa park.
I would be happy to go back for him, however IF we could get Inzaghi/Amorim in summer then prepared to accept an interim appointment
Absolutely no one would have wanted RVN n charge in May when Ten Hag should have been sacked. Would be a terrible idea.
I agree, however like my above post says we can't get an Inzaghi/Amorim right now so how do you get around that if we wanted them?
Interim, not permanent.
I think we're stuck with him due to cost and they are desperate for him to pull something out of the bag this weekend to quiet the noise down.
Jeez that's depressing
Were in October... things change by May next year and those 2 managers may not be desirable come the time. We cant give up on this season.
Not be at all surprised if they go for an old face again. I wouldn’t rule Carrick out. He did a good job in his caretaker role and, I for one, was in favour of keeping him at least to the end of season instead of Rangnick. We could probably get him out of Boro fairly cheaply too.
Said it before but I don’t think the plan is RvN I reckon he stays assistant and Rene Hake would step up as interim.
Agreed. They’d be me too 2 choices. I’m more in favour of Inzaghi because we’ve seen he can improve players and make average players look a lot better. Also I want us to try something new… his system would suit our defence and make us hard to beat.
You suggesting getting Carrick full time? I don’t want to go down that route again. It can also turn sour and ruin his reputation with our fans. We need something different. I’m telling you Inzaghi should be the man. They said they wanted best in class, he’s probably it after Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti.
Its not just about cost. Top managers don't move mid season. Its as simple as that. RVN and Hake are INEOS contingency plan for this season. They might not be the best around but that's the price we're paying for pressuring the club to keep ETH
RVN has more experience then Carrick does
Top 10? Get in!
Inzaghi would be fine by me, but we are writing off this season to wait for him. I’m not sure Ineos are prepared to do that, or wait for anyone else who may be even better.
A manager stepping up wouldn't pass up the opportunity for a huge pay rise. Bigger problem is the cost of getting them out of another club.
The cost of paying off Ten Hag and paying some kind of release fee would be a big issue for us.
they probably have no choice. Serious managers don't like to join a club mid season
Probably just a clash of personalities with them all being Dutch and stubborn. He'd do fine at United as we don't have any Dutc...
...umm that's right.
Bravo!
Yeah plus Inter have got off to solid start in Champions League, might have more chance of being able to get Amorim now though
I seriously don’t think we can afford that though. We need to recover this season before it’s too late. That’s why i think, if EtH is fired, Ineos will try to appoint a new manager, rather than an interim.
How so?
Amorim has a reported €30m buy out clause, that looks beyond our means at the mo.
Surely we wouldn't appoint Ruud permanently, it would just be an interim stint and that's fine. Otherwise we've learned nothing.
As a player he played with numerous top clubs including PSV, Manchester United and Real. He worked under Hiddink as Holland's no 2. It was a short stint but I reckon he learnt more under Hiddink than Carrick could possibly learn out of Ole at the wheel and he managed the second biggest team in the Eredivise where he even won a cup there..
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It's ironic you've asked me to re-read when you seem to have overlooked my previous post.
It can be illustrated by one example - you pointed to a post where I said the Palace game was encouraging as some sort of 'excuse' for the manager, and doubled down upaon it in your posts today.
This was an example post of yours to help build a case that I must be on some wind up. The sentiment I had about Palace is shared by match going fans and also by well respected journalists/life long fans such as Andy Mitten. You don't have to agree with their views but you have absolutely no legs to stand on to suggest they are on a wind up.
You don't just disagree with my views, because I'm not foaming at the mouth with distain toward Ten Hag you think I must be on a wind up. I've said that he's on his last chance saloon, he's on the verge of a sack and other sentiments. But because I said as SJR I wouldnt sack just yet unless he didnt win the next 2 (and I was thinking about operational issues here) you thought I was some sort of opposition fan. It's laughable because thats whats happening and in your own words you think they may have operational reason to
It wasn’t about one post. It was about a pattern of behaviour over months and months where you moved through the litany of excuses for Ten Hag’s failings. It became parody like so I poked fun at it. Still chuckling at the “he’s on very thin ice” comment.
And once again, I have never in my own words said they may have an operational reason to delay - I was arguing the exact opposite. It was the person I was arguing with that was claiming there were operational reasons to delay.
This sort of nonsense is exactly why I keep calling you out for straw manning - either you genuinely struggle with reading comprehension or you are deliberately arguing in bad faith. Neither is a good look, but you keep doing it again and again and again.
Yeah but very few serious manager would consider the job mid way throughout the season. Maybe just maybe we might persuade Pochs to join. He's in a similar desperate situation to what Conte was when he joined Spurs. But that is basically it
I don't think that Inzaghi is untouchable. We're probably capable of financially wrestle him out of Inter. However that won't be done midway throughout the season.
Only 180 minutes of this madness left. Hopefully.
I respect the hell out of Inzaghi and Anorim but I'm just not sure a back three is in the club's DNA at all.
You can generalise as much as you want about behavior and cherry pick which posts are serious and which are worth chuckling at - but when I asked of a single illustrative example, you shot yourself in the foot by hanging your hat on what was actually an uncontroversial take. The post you decided to claim is some sort of excuse for the manager was actually a common view and that speaks volumes about your agenda more than it does about my reasoning.
After this, shot yourself in the foot (again) by calling me a supporter for rival clubs when the decision makers are doing the same thing. You then claimed its different if Sir Jim Ratcliffe does it but if you ask someone "if you're Sir Jim, what would you do", they can't give the same answer. I don't know what logic that is but it's quite funny to look back and just see your reasoning.
I'd challenge you to find any other example of my "strawmaning" or "excusing" for this season but I am near certain you'll just shoot yourself in the foot again.
On the operational reasons to delay, there is probably some. Maybe not all under the operational umbrella but there's a plethora of reasons to see how the next 2 games go than to sack after Spurs.
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Why give us hope only to snatch it away... sighI have been told it was already booked in on the calendar
If it was decided he'd be sacked regardless of the two games.. well.. he'd be sacked without waiting for those two games.
I think this can only read as that they're prepared to give him more time even if the two games have bad results.
If it was made known that they're working on a permanent replacement then I'd be happy. If it was a case of revisit in summer, less so. But I'd probably still prefer it than keep Ten Hag as at least Ruud has some likeable qualities and he'd get the fans behind him. I'd always be worried if Ole 2.0 happening though.
I think it could be pretty great for a shorter interimstint. Like when Ole came in. Those were the days.
We wouldn’t be writing the season of though to wait for him. An interim could easily get us further up the table and another final in one of the cups. Aslong as we tried and signed the deal with a permanent manager before hand. I don’t want us to offer another interim the full time job based on doing well.