I might be way off, maybe he knows the public will react like this and the media pressure is on him and not the players. I know Sir Alex used to always do this, he'd take the heat and would go mental at a reporter if they try to criticise his players. Not same situation just saying.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
I mean, it's incredibly worrying too from a coaching point of view. Well, at least it would be of we didn't already know he's just not that good. Asking the players to come up with the answers just sounds like he's out of ideas. His responses in the sky interview were equally as daft too, saying his solution to our problems is "keep the belief" etc.
Unfortunately, we've seen time and time again that when it goes - it all goes. And when players and a team aren't doing well - whether it's because they don't understand how they are supposed to play or just aren't doing it/being prevented from doing it by the opposition - then everything else will drop as well.
I don't expect it to be different here.
You are an anonymous poster on an internet forum who, speaking of genuinely terrible takes, thinks a goalless half against Palace is encouraging.
Jim Radcliffe spent $1.65 billion investing in the club.
I know you think a lot of yourself VP, but taking the piss out of you for being a troll isn’t actually in the same ballpark as me discussing what our actual, real life owners are doing.
Do you understand that signing up to an Internet forum and spending over a billion pounds on a club are slightly different barriers to entry? Can you understand why I don’t think JR was a rival fan on a wind up when he made that investment decision?
I can’t work out if the Van Nistelrooy links are coming from:
A) Van Nistelrooy
B) United SLT
C) Press are putting 2+2 together
A) Van Nistelrooy
B) United SLT
C) Press are putting 2+2 together
So Ineos aren't totally brainless then, good. He should have gone after the FA Cup final though.
You've done a lot of name calling and tried to call out 'unpopular' takes but seem to have no leg to stand on when well respected people share similar views. Be it the decision makers not sacking ten hag just yet, or the view that palace performance was encouraging which was shared also by Andy Mitten and match going fans at the stadium. These people aren't trolls, but it's easy for you to throw the name to me because you evidently have no other way to formulate a reasonable stance on the other side.
Im probably wrong in thinking Ten Hag needed more time, and as I've said before everyone has their own patience for managers. I don't think those giving managers longer are any less trolls than those who don't give enough patience. That's the beauty of the game, there's different ways to approach your support as long as we agree in wanting the best for the club.
But you definitely showed true form by asking what I'd do as an owner, citing that as an opposition supporter and then assuming that there's rational thought if decision makers are doing the same thing. Me being anonymous has nothing to do with it. You're just desperately trying to rationalise your own hypocrisy.
I hope your logic and reason improves with your time in the caf.
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Ofcourse fan sentiment plays a part in managerial sacking and hiring. If the fans wanted him gone at the end of the last season and the atmosphere was toxic at OT, he would have gone.
He is under massive pressure because of not just results, the reaction of fans post Spurs too, there has definitely been a shift where its enough is enough.
In theory, yes you are right, the 123 games should take more weight but context matters. I want him sacked as much as the next person but you dont conduct a 2 week review and then sack a manager after 7 games based on previous games.
They have conducted the 100 odd game review in June, they wanted to see how he is under a new structure, his team and fully fit squad.
So its pointless keep going on about the last 2 years, he is purely judged on how he does this season. The answer is not good, he has 2 streaky wins in 6 PL games with -3 GD.
Really? I mean these links were there from the day he took the job.
So many people were saying they have him so he can take over when EtH gets sacked. Most United fans knew, Ten Hag wont last till christmas.
That's actually well put together
Ready for bloodbath tonight....given that Aston villa result is foregone!
This makes more sense than that reported £17m. Who’s to say it’s much less based on something like a win ratio over a specific part of the season or a league position at a certain point?
Ben Jacobs is quite poor in my opinion, he's force fitted a Southgate narrative despite it being shut down by Ornstein and others.
Whitwell's take is interesting but I don't think he has any firm information. He's reading sentiment it seems.
I know I have to ask you this almost every time, but reread what I actually wrote instead of making things up to argue against.
I never once assumed there was rational thought behind the decision makers delaying - I was specifically making the opposite argument. I said i couldn’t see any reasonable rationale for delaying given how long Ten Hag had been on the verge of the sack for, and that I think they’re incompetent or dithering in a manner which is damaging to the club.
The reason I suggested you might be on a wind up and not others, is because you consistently strawman, arguing in bad faith and in a dishonest manner. I’ve called you out for that numerous times in the past but it seems to be ingrained in your approach.
These fecking players are letting him down so badly. They already got Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho and now they are trying to do the same to Erik simply because he’s asking too much from them.
We should do this before we even start questioning his position:
- Give him the money to overhaul the squad, prioritizing his former players that he knows he can trust. I would say £550m over 3 years
- Allow him to sell these fecking players so they don’t stink up the place anymore
- Let him promote the best of our promising crop of youngsters
Once all of this is done and he can field a team where 7-8 players are of his own choice, only then we can judge him.
“Really” what?
You haven’t answered my question. You might think you know the answer but it’s not a fact.
This is why I was hoping he would take both of these games this week, then could get a deal in place with permanent candidate during break. Would definitely be concerned about him being in charge until May.
It seems to be growing legs right now. It's thrown in along with lines about INEOS being calm about the situation etc, so almost feels like a brief from them/the club, and now they're trying to sell us on RVN. Or if not it's the press. I doubt RVN is going out of his way to push for the job whilst he's Ten Hag's assistant, but you never know. If I was to guess, it would be B. Like I said, it feels almost like they're trying to sell us on him.
That Laurie article to me reads that they've decided to sack him after Sunday.
Shame it's not coming from better source though
My guess is more towards C than B.
It might have been Ruud’s intention when he joined but I doubt it was discussed and I expect it was a bit of a gamble on his part.
8 of that team were players that he has purchased/brought through though. Of the others, one he made captain. I don’t think it can be any excuse for ETH if his own players aren’t showing effort. It’s yet another mark against him.
Yeah true, however hope we are looking at permanent options to get now not just sticking Ruud as interim
Probably the usual clause that we can sack once we can no longer achieve champions league. Might be waiting a while if that’s the case. There’s no chance we added anything new into his latest extension, so this will be based on the original contract pre Ineos.
Who would you get that’s available to start straight away?
I would personally like to see what Ruud has got to be honest. Maybe that is nostalgia talking though.
I did watch his PSV side a number of times and they played good stuff.
Yeah maybe C. But then I don't see what they achieve by talking about how calm INEOS are. To wind some fans up? To make INEOS look like they've got it all under control?
I'm going to convince myself it's B and that they are actually planning on putting an end to ETH though. But then I'll be hoping RVN is a stop gap until we bring in the permanent option.
That’s dire isn’t it? Not once higher than 4th on expected position since SAF and entirely reliant on individual brilliance to exceed our xg. Does show how Ole did a comparatively decent job over his two seasons - when you consider we had long cup runs in virtually every competition under him as well.
Cheers. Apologies to Shampoo and whoever started it off in the match thread
Hmm I think sometimes they have had a better squad, sometimes we have. They have had a a couple of top class coaches who were at least somewhere close to their best. They also used up the broke the remnants of the only genuinely top class manager we have had in that time.
I didn't say I know the answer, but the facts are there for all of us to see.
1. We hired a coach who used to be a manager and had managerial offers
2. A coach that was a legend at the club.
Now, when you hire a coach that is the above, when most of the fans, media etc.. expect Ten Hag to be sacked this season, I dont think there is many people who thought he will complete the season, so it is logical to think that the succession plan would be RVN for the short term at least because what that will do is:
1. Bring the feel good factor - ala Ole did as interim
2. Give RVN a managerial chance
I hope your question is now answered.
I think it's easier to play good football in the Dutch league when there's such a big quality gap between the top sides and everyone else. Look at the football Ten Hag played at Ajax and yet hasn't been able to replicate that here.
Plus factor in that Bosz who replaced RVN at PSV broke the league points record in his first season last year, also were a few goals away from breaking the goal record as well I believe.
Tuchel or Allegri would be obvious choices, not against a Frank or Silva because interested to see if they could make that step up
I’d say no to allegri. We want to stay well clear of the boring football. we’d look like idiots if we got Tuchel in after it didn’t work out in the summer and we chose to stick with ETH over him. The other 2 would be gambles and I’d say they’d both jump at the chance mid season to come here and get half a season as a free pass.
It's ironic you've asked me to re-read when you seem to have overlooked my previous post.
It can be illustrated by one example - you pointed to a post where I said the Palace game was encouraging as some sort of 'excuse' for the manager, and doubled down upaon it in your posts today.
This was an example post of yours to help build a case that I must be on some wind up. The sentiment I had about Palace is shared by match going fans and also by well respected journalists/life long fans such as Andy Mitten. You don't have to agree with their views but you have absolutely no legs to stand on to suggest they are on a wind up.
You don't just disagree with my views, because I'm not foaming at the mouth with distain toward Ten Hag you think I must be on a wind up. I've said that he's on his last chance saloon, he's on the verge of a sack and other sentiments. But because I said as SJR I wouldnt sack just yet unless he didnt win the next 2 (and I was thinking about operational issues here) you thought I was some sort of opposition fan. It's laughable because thats whats happening and in your own words you think they may have operational reason to
Can’t see this has anything to do with Ineos. All that’s happened is that the extension to his existing (pre-Ineos) contract has been triggered. Not sure if the source of this report is reliable either.
ETH is mad.
How long would you accept a stopgap for?