Exactly. Mourinho and Solskjær should have been sacked way earlier. Similarly, LvG should have been shown the door after that horrible December 2015 and Moyes should have lost his job after those back to back home losses to Everton and Newcastle. Ten Hag should have been sacked after the Brighton home loss in September last year, and Rangnick, despite being an interim, should have been replaced after the 1-0 home loss to Wolves.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
As egotistical as Mourinho, as awkward as Moyes and as naive as Ole.
Those two cups account for just 12 of his 123 games in charge. The League Cup run was as favourable as you could get. Even avoided having to plan an Arsenal/City/Liverpool in the final.
Plenty of average/failed managers have won cups or reached finals:
Juande Ramos 07/08 - Sacked a few months later
Ronald Koeman 07/08 - Sacked weeks later
Kenny Dalglish 11/12 - Reached two cups finals and won 1 of them, yet sacked
Roberto Di Matteo 11/12 - Sacked a few months after winning The CL
Roberto Martínez 12/13 - Relegated with Wigan despite winning The FA Cup
And as stubborn as van Gaal.
Tin Pots are not that important - we are dining in the butlers quarters drinking out of tin pots when proper teams are at the top table with silver!
I agree. He should have went in hindsight as that season was nowhere near as good as some portrayed/continue to portray. But, keeping him given we had let him get that far seemed reasonable.
Please do.
Do people not realise where we are at the moment? If Ten Hag stays til the end of season good chance we'll end up in the relegation zone.
That sub is run by ten hag fanbois. I got permanently banned for calling him baldhag once
Told you he's the LUCKIEST manager in our history! Hahaha....
To be fair recently we have been outplayed worse than that by the likes of Newcastle, Liverpool and even Bournemouth.
Exactly my point, he needs to stop talking about this. Talk about this season and where the team is... bottom half, cant beat a mid team in EL at home, negative goal difference, I could go on.
He needs to be sacked, I am surprised that he is still here, he should have gone after Liverpool, but surely after Spurs, you cannot lose like that in 2 consecutive home games.
He's been taking PR lessons from "Washee", best answer to a defeat is to come out waffling and keep living in a fantasy land.
Respect to the lady interviewing him that she manages to stay awake the whole time.
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So, after having gone through 5 Managers in the last 11 years (averaging 2 seasons per manager) and not challenging for the title in that time...
your idea is to sack even more managers and become the next Chelsea?
I noticed a lot of them don't like this place. I imagine most of them that post on there are previously banned members of the caf.Please do.
At least 4 years. After 6 years, every manager is becoming SAF.
Lets not also forget Claudio Ranieri was sacked after the greatest premier league victory in history (albeit after about half a season).
A cup win shouldn't mask 12 months of terrible of football and results, especially when the cup win itself was lucky for most of the run.
A cup win shouldn't mask 12 months of terrible of football and results, especially when the cup win itself was lucky for most of the run.
I get the players honestly. The manager has let them down and distanced him from themselves. So basically, players are accountable for everything and the manager never put himself into questions. He lost them a long time ago. The cup was just a bip as players found motivation for themselves.
How long did Wigan take to sack Bobby Brown Shoes after he won them the FA Cup or Leicester to sack Ranieri after he won them the league?
We have to stick to the plan.
The club are in transition.
We have to be confident and stick to the plan.
We have to improve the process.
We want to win every game to get better.
We have to find solutions.
We have young players.
We have to stick to the plan and bounce back.
Every press conference. We have been in transition for 3 years now under ETH
The club are in transition.
We have to be confident and stick to the plan.
We have to improve the process.
We want to win every game to get better.
We have to find solutions.
We have young players.
We have to stick to the plan and bounce back.
Every press conference. We have been in transition for 3 years now under ETH
It's like an alternate universe where everything at United is just fine and dandy.
Apparently that's crybaby nonsense.
We had a completely different team before he came and now. So the logic doesn’t work.
I think he has a go to line regardless of the question after these losses.
Its the same shit in every presser like mate.. give your head a wobble.
How can a manager who says good isn't good enough, be so poor at self reflection.
We're not just losing, we're being absolutely battered, with no response. How can you play two games at Old Trafford close together, concede three in both and score zero in both. It just boggles my mind how dreadful we are when the chips we down, we don't lay a glove on anyone. Then you have owners that witness this unfold, and take no action until it gets even worse.
Yes agree, even if he wins he should still go
My team isn't even in the same league and I still kept my vote on back ETH. '99 Never forget.
But I guess "it's spurs lads".
He can win 10 games in a row and that wont change me mind now, I gave him time and benefit of the doubt but once I decided that he's got to go, no matter what he does now, its over for me.
It has happened so many times though, at some point it's his fault that these individual mistakes consistently lead to us falling apart. You have to account for these things if the players you play keep doing them, unless it's literally a mistake in the 6 yard box for a sitter.
Player errors exist within even the best coached team, the issue as has been pointed out is the gaps between players and player positioning when mistakes happen, and that is down to the coaching.
Same thing as blindly blaming injuries in defence last season whilst at the same time not providing any cover from midfield to help the diminished defence, instead leaving a lone midfielder to try to intercept and everyone else miles upfield.
This to me speaks to the biggest problem with ETH, he has a system he believes in and when it fails for whatever reason it is always an external factor at fault, rather than addressing the issues and adapting his system he to mitigate and minimise areas of risk he blindly ignores the risks which have been highlighted by the failures and sticks to his system, and then again blames something or someone when it falls down.
So much for the Klopp and Arteta comparisons
SAF was 44 when he took over at United. And had a good CV at an unfashionable club like Aberdeen, where he managed from the age of 36-44.
ten hag will turn 55 early next year. He's not a young manager. He should be at his peak.
There is a new wave of young coaches such as Arteta (42), Hoeneß (42), Iraola (42), Motta (42), Alonso (41), Amorim (39), Kompany (38), McKenna (38), Farioli (35), Hürzeler (31), etc.
A young, up and coming coach is the one thing we haven't tried. Arsenal, Leverkusen, Juventus, Sporting and others are benefitting from that approach.
Do not forget Sir Alex comparison too. People should be slapped for this kind of idiocy.
As much as there is blame for the Glazer takeover, I think often the departures of Edwards and Gill are ignored when considering the impact changes have had, even during SAFs tenure the club suffered, especially from the loss of Gill.
The whole system is failed when 1 mis place pass = a clear chance for opponents. How often have we been transitioned on after bad pass / touch this season.
The manager needs to account for that, not every pass will be successful. It seems we are the only team that gets punished for mistakes, its mainly because the manager sets the team up to fail.
I mean defensively, our pressing is rubbish, any half decent team can play through it. Our rest defence is rubbish, our low mid block is rubbish, our low block isn't even a block.
So out of possession we are poor how are we on the ball? even worse.
People say we dont have a pattern of play but we do, I dont agree with the notion we dont have a style.
Onana passes it to the CB who either pass it to full back and we go back to Onana and he launches it and we lose the ball. or we keep passing it around the back until we get pressed and we just kick the ball long.
That is the pattern of play, pass pass pass pass kick.. press and repeat.
The manager needs to account for that, not every pass will be successful. It seems we are the only team that gets punished for mistakes, its mainly because the manager sets the team up to fail.
I mean defensively, our pressing is rubbish, any half decent team can play through it. Our rest defence is rubbish, our low mid block is rubbish, our low block isn't even a block.
So out of possession we are poor how are we on the ball? even worse.
People say we dont have a pattern of play but we do, I dont agree with the notion we dont have a style.
Onana passes it to the CB who either pass it to full back and we go back to Onana and he launches it and we lose the ball. or we keep passing it around the back until we get pressed and we just kick the ball long.
That is the pattern of play, pass pass pass pass kick.. press and repeat.
I'm a bit concerned about the lack of links to any new managers.
There's a lot of noise about Ten Hag's possible sacking, and this thread, which is focused on wanting him gone is a lot more active that the Next Manager thread.
Surely there needs to be a plan in place for his sacking (maybe that's what the talks with different managers was in the Summer? Building relationships for a contingency plan) and it can't just be "give it to Ruud and see what happens".
I am all for sacking Ten Hag - I have seen enough to know he ain't the guy. But I don't think just getting him out the door as soon as possible no matter what, is the answer.
There's a lot of noise about Ten Hag's possible sacking, and this thread, which is focused on wanting him gone is a lot more active that the Next Manager thread.
Surely there needs to be a plan in place for his sacking (maybe that's what the talks with different managers was in the Summer? Building relationships for a contingency plan) and it can't just be "give it to Ruud and see what happens".
I am all for sacking Ten Hag - I have seen enough to know he ain't the guy. But I don't think just getting him out the door as soon as possible no matter what, is the answer.
This is an obsession with our fans. Both Ole and ETH have had the good old Klopp and Fergie comparisons.
People need to stop comparing managers, it never works. SAF should never be compared with firstly, it was a completely different time.
Fair play. You understand his tactics far better than I do.
He's so obviously deluded and just full of excuses. How on earth our owners can keep faith with this charlatan is beyond me.
Genuinely, Glazers would have acted by now.
Genuinely, Glazers would have acted by now.
The Glazers would hire Tuchel and let him
do whatever the heck he wanted.
Ineos are attempting a more nuanced approach.