Jose Ten Hag
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Jose Ten Hag
Ole was sacked in November, 6 points off top 4 Jose was sacked in December 12 points off top 4 and neither got us sat in 12th with minus GD (after finishing 8th with also minus GD).
TBF bar Rashford you cant say our players didnt try their best. The likes of martial, pogba, ronaldo, lingard have long gone. Majority of players in our disposal were signed or promoted under Ten Hag.
People say this about Rashford but what if he gets 30 goals next season under a new manager? Who was to blame then? I think people are just hung up on his contract more than anything.
“So Erik, how many times did you rewatch that Tottenham game by now?”
“I watched it back once to get a deeper understanding of what went wrong.”
“And what did you find?”
“Ehh, a bad performance. There were problems. And I have to address them. Eh and I have to find solutions.”
“And what are these solutions?”
“Ehhh, keep the belief!”
What an inspired interview! Really gives you a deep understanding of his footballing expertise. As a fan and non-pro you can only dream of gaining such insight into the game.
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I hope they weren't 'hoodwinked' by him saying that, because if that's the case then we're screwed under their leadership. I think they decided to replace him but didn't have anyone else in serious consideration after Tuchel turned us down. Had things gone differently Ten Hag wouldnt be at the helm no matter what he said.
Ten Hag's bland form of communication and his lack of charisma (his interviews are sleep inducing, just look at the one posted above on this page) means he's incapable of talking a good game in my opinion. His FA cup triumph won him a good amount of support from a bug chunk of the fanbase and I think that also played into the decision to grant him an extension
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Not sure you could pull the ”it is not his fault the players are shit” card either.
He has been part of the transfer discussions from the start. Almost 100% sure he has had a fairly strong voice in these discussions as well.
And in his time the club has bought, in no specific order:
Lisandro Martinez
Tyrell Malacia
Christian Eriksen
Casemiro
Rasmus Höjlund
Mason Mount
Antony Santos
Mathijs de Ligt
Noussair Mazraoui
Joshua Zirkzee
Manuel Ugarte
Andre Onana
Altay Bayindir
Leny Yoro
Thats 14 players in that he has signed off on.
More than half a squad. And we have been spending a ridiculous amount of cash on these as well.
He has been part of the transfer discussions from the start. Almost 100% sure he has had a fairly strong voice in these discussions as well.
And in his time the club has bought, in no specific order:
Lisandro Martinez
Tyrell Malacia
Christian Eriksen
Casemiro
Rasmus Höjlund
Mason Mount
Antony Santos
Mathijs de Ligt
Noussair Mazraoui
Joshua Zirkzee
Manuel Ugarte
Andre Onana
Altay Bayindir
Leny Yoro
Thats 14 players in that he has signed off on.
More than half a squad. And we have been spending a ridiculous amount of cash on these as well.
It is so boring listening to him. Just imagine the team talks.
We have to stick to the plan. There is no plan
The club are in transition. Permanently
We have to be confident and stick to the plan. See response to first point
We have to improve the process. What process? Is this the plan?
We want to win every game to get better. Obviously
We have to find solutions. I thought there was a plan and a process?
We have young players. So does the local u17s
We have to stick to the plan and bounce back What plan?
What's the damn plan Erik????
Honestly I thought it was the best plan I'd heard under the Glazers. I am confident that if they'd allowed him to do his thing and they acted on his advice, we'd have been a lot better off now and in the long run. I agreed with a lot he said about squad composition and identifying players etc. You could just tell he was a football guy, and we didn't have enough of those advising us. Plus, he'd proven in the past he was good at that job, albeit at a lower level.
I thought the idea of giving him 6 months to work with the squad, both managing and assessing, then moving into an advisory role, would have been brilliant. He'd have first hand knowledge of what is needed and who to keep. Instead we shit our pants because results weren't great under him. We didn't get to see him to the bit we actually wanted from him.
Add it to the list of things ETH fecked up when he said he didn't want to speak to him and didn't need his advice!
The club has let him down. In alternate reality it's Arsenal and City fans discussing whether they can stop United, while FDJ is anchoring our midfield towards third league title in a row.
There's no way ETH would have worked alongside Rangnick, he considers himself one of the best if not the best coaches in the world hence would not be taking advice from someone as incompetent and minor as Rangnick.
His agency were apparently in overdrive with the media last season, trying to spin the narrative and get them onside. Hopefully it's just that. If the club is pushing it then I think that's a good sign they're in for the long haul with him.
Or after he'd won the cup....
The club should have had the balls to tell him that's how it's going to be.
You are absolutely right.
I've a feeling he will scrape a point out of these two games and stay in the job over the international break. The three returning games are Brentford (H), Fenerbahce (A) and West Ham (A) though so he will be dead and buried then.
Yep... he is going to talk about how he was first one to win trophy in 6 years and what not... see him talking about young players now as well. Excuse after excuse.
Fact is, even if he is replaced the problems remain. And fans will go ballistic if someone other than a big name foreign coach is appointed. People would fume if an Alex Ferguson was appointed today.
That comedy series ANNOYING ORANGE makes more sense now
I allowed myself to give a little bit of time to think and I voted to sack. I really wanted him to be successful but the results, style of play, his tactical inadaptability (does not matter where it comes from) during matches and not owning the results while constantly talking about trophies he won’t got me to vote for sack. I don’t think it matters what kind of results he will achieve in the next 2 matches he still should sack on Monday. Unless miracle happens but I really don’t see it.
So, last season then when we all when him gone? That's what I said.
We all know changes in football are slow.
I wouldn't mind EtH to stay if there was at least some good football being played, but not even that is on the table.
And amazingly we renewed his contract after a season that apparently we regressed in terms of results and football quality.
Yeah no thanks for me either. One more time he talks about the fecking trophies he has won I want to put my head through a wall.feck me. I'm not watching that drivel but I'm tempted just for the comedy value now.
The stuff he keeps talking about are always so high-level that I'm starting to think he's a snake oil salesman. He always says the same things - 'we need to stick to the plan', 'we need to keep the belief'. He's becoming a parody of himself at this point.
Yeah I'm starting to fear that could happen too, was hoping it would be over by Brentford
I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the charisma nor the man management to lift low confidence and will just persist with his tactics.
Why though? What are we achieving by keeping him here till for the sake of it. Maybe Ruud or any other interim manager can salvage the season and make real progress? I have no issue with us taking a bit of time to map things out but it’s as though teams don’t give reigns to an interim for a bit.
Those who are trying to blame the squad and the club instead of coaching failure ask yourself the question? Do we really have a worse squad than the 11 teams above us or fc Twente?
Jeez what happened to standards in this club, wins that FA Cup and oh we just forget about the 8th place finish and numerous beatings in last 2 seasons.
I’m ashamed to admit it but there’s a small part of me that wants to get smashed by Porto tomorrow. If only because I fear if we scrape results the next two games we’ll be doing this song and dance of “he might get sacked or might stay on” all year as our season goes down the toilet and we are left cutting ties in Feb/March when it’s obvious every goal we had is unachievable.
Because I also 100% believe an interim can get this team really close to top 4 and playing better stuff. It wouldn’t be hard to improve.
Because I also 100% believe an interim can get this team really close to top 4 and playing better stuff. It wouldn’t be hard to improve.
Because he genuinely believes the system is perfect if the players believe in it and try harder. All he sees are individual errors, he can’t get past it.
I've changed my vote to sack but I'm only narrowly over the borderline of that decision. I'm like 55-45 sack. For me, I think all the criticisms are valid and it's true he's had time and money to get us to a place where results aren't what they should be and that probably just about outweighs everything else now. But the tactical criticisms of him I think are way overblown. Unlike a lot of people, I can see the approach (or approaches over his time here) that he's tried to institute and he's often been let down by poor execution of what are actually quite difficult, intricate ideas. Ultimately part of the blame for that poor execution has to rest with him though so he's likely on borrowed time.
I expect a short term bounce from a replacement followed by a return to mediocrity. It's the United way, now.
I expect a short term bounce from a replacement followed by a return to mediocrity. It's the United way, now.
We didn't renew his contarct, we exercised the 1 one year option on his existing contract
I just read an article about how Aston Villa are preparing to play Bayern Munich, in the CL.
Where they are in the CL, with a fraction of the budget of that ETH had, ETH has been on one of the biggest spending spree ever seen in football, since he arrived and he finished in 8th place.
We all know that ETH isn't good enough - he is trying his best and I can't blame him.
However, the incompetency of INEOS was/is simply astounding - why they didn't fire him in the Summer has to rank alongside the decision to hire David Moyes when Fergie retired.
I think even the Glazers would've fired ETH. Moyes got the boot after 10 months, with a minimal transfer spend, when he was in 7th place.
I can only think that the collective higher-ups of INEOS were lobotomised before they joined the MUFC.
If you want to see an excellent example of incompetency, I give you INEOS.
Where they are in the CL, with a fraction of the budget of that ETH had, ETH has been on one of the biggest spending spree ever seen in football, since he arrived and he finished in 8th place.
We all know that ETH isn't good enough - he is trying his best and I can't blame him.
However, the incompetency of INEOS was/is simply astounding - why they didn't fire him in the Summer has to rank alongside the decision to hire David Moyes when Fergie retired.
I think even the Glazers would've fired ETH. Moyes got the boot after 10 months, with a minimal transfer spend, when he was in 7th place.
I can only think that the collective higher-ups of INEOS were lobotomised before they joined the MUFC.
If you want to see an excellent example of incompetency, I give you INEOS.
ffs
PL head to head record
Pep:
4 games
1 win
3 losses
-7 GD
Klopp:
4 games
1 win
2 draws
1 loss
-6 GD
Arteta:
4 games
1 win
3 losses
-2 GD
Emery:
4 games
3 wins
1 loss
+2 GD
Ange:
3 games
1 draw
2 losses
-5 GD
Howe:
4 games
1 win
1 draw
2 losses
-2 GD
Moyes:
4 games
2 wins
2 losses
+1 GD
Poch:
2 games
1 win
1 loss
0 GD
Iraola
2 games
1 draw
1 loss
-3 GD
De Zerbri:
3 games
1 win
2 losses
-1 GD
Frank:
4 games
2 wins
1 draw
1 loss
-2 GD
Slot:
1 game
1 loss
-3 GD
Hürzeler:
1 game
1 loss
-1 GD
Conte:
1 game
1 win
+2 GD
Potter:
2 games
1 draw
1 loss
-1 GD
Domestic cups h2H record
Howe:
2 games
1 win
1 loss
-1 GD
Emery:
1 game
1 win
+2 GD
Moyes:
1 game
1 win
+2 GD
De Zerbri:
1 game
1 draw
0 GD
Pep:
3 games
1 win
1 draw
1 loss
0 GD
Klopp:
1 game
1 win
+1 GD
European h2h record
Xavi:
2 games
1 win
1 draw
+1 GD
Tuchel:
2 games
2 losses
-2 GD
55 games
20 wins
10 draws
25 losses
-25 GD
36.36% win rate
45.45% loss rate
Pep:
4 games
1 win
3 losses
-7 GD
Klopp:
4 games
1 win
2 draws
1 loss
-6 GD
Arteta:
4 games
1 win
3 losses
-2 GD
Emery:
4 games
3 wins
1 loss
+2 GD
Ange:
3 games
1 draw
2 losses
-5 GD
Howe:
4 games
1 win
1 draw
2 losses
-2 GD
Moyes:
4 games
2 wins
2 losses
+1 GD
Poch:
2 games
1 win
1 loss
0 GD
Iraola
2 games
1 draw
1 loss
-3 GD
De Zerbri:
3 games
1 win
2 losses
-1 GD
Frank:
4 games
2 wins
1 draw
1 loss
-2 GD
Slot:
1 game
1 loss
-3 GD
Hürzeler:
1 game
1 loss
-1 GD
Conte:
1 game
1 win
+2 GD
Potter:
2 games
1 draw
1 loss
-1 GD
Domestic cups h2H record
Howe:
2 games
1 win
1 loss
-1 GD
Emery:
1 game
1 win
+2 GD
Moyes:
1 game
1 win
+2 GD
De Zerbri:
1 game
1 draw
0 GD
Pep:
3 games
1 win
1 draw
1 loss
0 GD
Klopp:
1 game
1 win
+1 GD
European h2h record
Xavi:
2 games
1 win
1 draw
+1 GD
Tuchel:
2 games
2 losses
-2 GD
55 games
20 wins
10 draws
25 losses
-25 GD
36.36% win rate
45.45% loss rate
While I am scathing towards INEOS (who are incompetent buffoons), fans have to take their share of the blame. Many fans are now quite accepting of 8th place.
This leads me to believe that standards have dropped so low, that the days of us attempting to win every match and every league and gone. As long we have a good Cup run, all is good.
Regarding ETH: if he stays, I can see us winning a few games, drawing a few games and losing a few games - exactly as we did last season.
What's the alternative give failing managers an average of 4-5 seasons to not challenge for a title?
