Cause it payed off once for us 35 years ago.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Cause it payed off once for us 35 years ago.
As a manager is has been on the knife edge for most of his tenure...I'm not saying a victory against Porto puts everything right, but I am saying a win gives him another week.
But at this point it all just feels like delaying the inevitable.
He's fecking either fecking deluded or extremely arrogant or simply deranged. I don't know which one is worse
Surprisingly, yes. After that good hour against Palace and wins against Barnsley and Southampton, there were a fair few praising and defending him here. If we have a good half or so against Porto, I'm sure it'll happen again.
It's cultural. The club and it's fanbase are too emotionally invested in the managers job.
The job is like an engagement ring for us, and a condom for the rest of the footballing world.
Do our club not have a data analytics department.
It boggles the mind right? Here's another classic example to show how woeful we've been under him. League Game stats only
I've taken each Managers 3 highest unbeaten runs in the league. Runs of 4 games or less aren't counted (being generous if I picked 5 then Ten Hag would only appear once in this table).
Manager | Games Unbeaten | W | D | GF | GA | GD | Pts PG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jose | 26 | 13 | 13 | 38 | 13 | 25 | 2.0 |
Ole | 14 | 9 | 5 | 30 | 7 | 23 | 2.3 |
Ole | 13 | 10 | 3 | 27 | 12 | 15 | 2.5 |
Ole | 12 | 10 | 2 | 29 | 9 | 20 | 2.7 |
LVG | 10 | 7 | 3 | 18 | 6 | 12 | 2.4 |
Jose | 9 | 7 | 2 | 23 | 2 | 21 | 2.6 |
Jose | 8 | 5 | 3 | 12 | 6 | 6 | 2.3 |
LVG | 7 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 6 | 1.9 |
Moyes | 7 | 4 | 3 | 14 | 9 | 5 | 2.1 |
Ten Hag | 6 | 5 | 1 | 12 | 3 | 9 | 2.7 |
LVG | 6 | 6 | 0 | 15 | 4 | 11 | 3.0 |
Rangnick | 6 | 5 | 1 | 11 | 3 | 8 | 2.7 |
Rangnick | 6 | 2 | 4 | 9 | 6 | 3 | 1.7 |
Ten Hag | 5 | 5 | 0 | 10 | 2 | 8 | 3.0 |
Ten Hag | 5 | 4 | 1 | 8 | 2 | 6 | 2.6 |
We've got Villa next PL game. If he some how survives until then and loses next, he's got to be a gonna.
That's fair. Either way, I think with a good structure behind him, we could have won a title under Mou
He's done. Thing for me is I can recognise the times that the players have downed tools and this isn't even that. Most of them are trying but it's clear that whatever system we're trying to play is a busted flush. He will not adapt and we won't improve. Simple as that.
Strange having Ashley Young, a current PL and ex player dissecting us on Sky.
When they’re earning more per week than most people earn per year, yes. Do you not?
If you wait for a couple of days, you’ll surely start seeing posts defending him.
If he cares about his payout we shouldn't care about his apparent reputation being ruined
Looks like it’s open again until 9th November.
Biggest indictment of him today was how we looked in the first twenty minutes. Totally confused, disjointed, outfought, and outrun. The narrative simply cannot be about the red card - game could have been out of sight by then anyway.
100% - they've even indicated that they had nothing to do with him staying as they weren't in situ. Also, Tuchel turned us down. It's clear they had little faith in him, so sticking with him and spending more fecking money on his targets was just insane.
McKenna didn’t extend with Ipswich until Ten Hag was confirmed to be staying. I think he was waiting for the call.
I think both the players and the supporters should be doing more
True.
That is a damming stat. Not even better than Rangnick
I don’t know if it’s luck or what but for some reason we decide to make our decisions based on One Game and self destruct ourselves for the future. Ole v psg now Ten hag with the fa cup final win. So much could have been avoided using just basic common sense.
That's the closest I've seen Neville to calling for a manager to go.
Shows how bad things are.
Shows how bad things are.
Just heard a stat:
Both Liverpool and Spurs have scored more PL goals at OT than Utd this season
Jeez
Both Liverpool and Spurs have scored more PL goals at OT than Utd this season
Jeez
I have to agree. Posted it at the time but even from a purely perception point of view keeping ETH was a big risk because if we serve up the same shite, they will look stupid for keeping him, despite the awful season.
Ineos could ride this kind of form out with a new manager in place, stating it's part of the process. They chose to keep him and sacking him soon shows they dithered and weren't decisive enough. Keep him and this continues and they look weak.
Exactly. They haven't filled me with confidence thus far.
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But he’s been spot on.
But, but we beat a League One team and drew with the side in 17th in the PL...
I might have been one of those tbh, but I'm done.
Just pull the fecking trigger.
All of last season it was clear we were a lower half side who was getting very lucky to be as high as 7th/8th, it massively flattered us.
What makes me laugh is not that so many fans wanted to keep Ten Hag after last season, but how self-righteous they were about it. Our fans are more interested in appearing morally superior to others because they back the manager/players, rather than making logical decisions that will improve the team. These are the same self-righteous people celebrating Bruno's pay rise and contract extension. I'm starting to think they actually enjoy watching us lose.
And many on here still think he's better than Ole.That's absolutely pathetic ffs
Makes sense.
Rangnick only managed us for 24 PL Games too! Ten Hags managed us for 82 PL Games. In 82 PL Games our highest unbeaten run with him is 6 games... how are we expected to compete when we've got a Manager that losing is the norm.
Yep it was Ratcliffe and Brailsford that made the decision to keep him in the end. If Ashworth and Berrada were at the club they would've came to the same conclusion as Wilcox did.
Here’s my prediction:
Southgate interim
Alonso at the end of the season
Southgate interim
Alonso at the end of the season
INEOS at minimum need to have a meeting and meet him know this isn't good enough and get his plan to turn it around.
I'd give Antony a start and see if he inject some pressing/energy into the team. Maybe rile up the opposition.
I'd give Antony a start and see if he inject some pressing/energy into the team. Maybe rile up the opposition.
The sad thing is that, up until this game at least, we've actually been quite a bit better this season but the results haven't come.
Of course that 'improvement' is based on just how utterly atrocious we were last season, where ETH's tactics were some of the most asinine in PL history. Improving from that isn't a huge deal in itself. There's still numerous other managers just in this league who are doing a much better job.
Of course that 'improvement' is based on just how utterly atrocious we were last season, where ETH's tactics were some of the most asinine in PL history. Improving from that isn't a huge deal in itself. There's still numerous other managers just in this league who are doing a much better job.
He struggled like feck against Galatasaray and Copenhagen. No chance he’d be able to beat Porto on their home patch unless they decide to put in a performance as bad as some of our recent ones.