Fatigue is definitely a factor but it is worrying how every game (or at least every away game) plays out the same way. Ten Hag seems powerless to stop the rot. And while his squad options are not great, there are no circumstances in which starting with Weghorst can be considered the best/least worst option. I didn’t expect top 4 at the start of the season but I did hope we would be on a definite upward trend by the end of the season. Instead we have peaked in February and then regressed to the point of being played off the park by West Ham.
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Our whole problem is from DDG. I don’t know how he can solve it. Playing Butland or the youngster? Maybe he has to do it from now on.
A manager that has the players at his disposal he does yet believes WW at no.10 is the best solution is not the guy I thought we were getting.
He’s done some good things this year but he shouldn’t be above scrutiny, we’re in a terrible run of form.
He’s done some good things this year but he shouldn’t be above scrutiny, we’re in a terrible run of form.
Winning the League Cup now is apparently "over achieving" according to some. Absolutely fecking hilarious.
Exactly how I feel too. Similarities are so clear.. But then again, it's still very far from ETH's "team". Only consolation for me.. My god.
Casemiro, Eriksen, Malacia, Weghorst, Antony all started tonight. All Ten Hag players. Half the team.
I’m not blaming Ten Hag for De Gea’s mistake. I’m blaming Ten Hag for our inability to win a game.
We were sold a myth. He has us playing terrible football. He spent nearly £250m. No one forced him to spend that on shite like Antony.
Honestly, I'm coming around to this idea as well but I'll wait until the end of the season. Getting absolutely pummeled by our biggest rivals every time we play them away really hasn't helped me warm to him, those types of performances are totally unacceptable and they're hard to come back from.
feck ups from clowns like De Gea taken into account, Eriks still had an absolute shocker these last few weeks, got just about everything wrong.
Exactly, we were apparently desperate for a striker but had no money so were forced to sign a striker that’s not good enough for the PL but then play him as a 10 or a midfielder which fecks us with our other players as they’re forced out of position.
Watching BT Sports now and Crouch and Rio are both saying the same thing, it just doesn’t make any sense at all and thing is you can’t blame Weghorst as he’s doing as he’s told by ETH despite being nowhere near good enough to play as a striker let alone as a 10 or midfielder.
Our first 6 day break since the world cup, 6 days to fix this, 6 days to not play WW.
Win the next 3 games and the season is saved, lose any of them and
Win the next 3 games and the season is saved, lose any of them and
We scored 57 goals in our worst ever premier league season last year: we're on 49 scored this year with 4 more games to go. Now I think one of LVG's season's holds the record for the least goals scored but whatever way you spin it that is still extremely worrying.
Sancho, Wout, Antony, Martial, Elanga, Garnacho....there's just not enough goals there.
It would have been if we walked top 4 and got 75-80 points.
No top 4 and the LC is looking like an early climax with not even a thought for a 2nd round.
Please for the love of god stop playing 4231.
What's the definition of insanity again?
Ten hag needs to change the formation and gut the absolute horrendous deadwood.
What's the definition of insanity again?
Ten hag needs to change the formation and gut the absolute horrendous deadwood.
I don't blame you for doubting or questioning him. I am on the same boat as you as well. Things have to improve next season for sure.
Who the feck has said the League Cup is overachieving?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's Edu who deals with Arsenals transfers, right?
Well, if so, he needs an Edu because our current transfer strategy is going to prevent him from ever being a success. No matter how good you are as a coach, you cannot challenge with a squad full of lightweight players. A central midfield of two old, slow, weak players, nobody who can beat their man, nobody who can receive the ball in the channels and keep it with a man on them. It's a recipe for disaster.
Well, if so, he needs an Edu because our current transfer strategy is going to prevent him from ever being a success. No matter how good you are as a coach, you cannot challenge with a squad full of lightweight players. A central midfield of two old, slow, weak players, nobody who can beat their man, nobody who can receive the ball in the channels and keep it with a man on them. It's a recipe for disaster.
One silly poster. We are a long fecking way from overachieving.
Ten Hag is not a likeable character and its difficult to imagine him inspiring a team or them wanting to get behind him. He's a cold fish. I think Man Utd should get rid of him at the end of the season as well as the whingers and moaners in the squad. Start again with players with real heart and desire and build from there. Build a team. Not just bring in a bunch of mercenaries and egoists.
Needs a striker, but nobody made him spend such a vast amount of money on Antony. He chose to invest so much in a relatively ineffective player
Seems to be really struggling
Very bizarre setup with Weghorst starting games, even more so when he’s played at #10 and Bruno pushed out wide with Rashford through the middle? Infact bizarre isn’t the right word Id probably get banned for speaking my mind.
Very bizarre setup with Weghorst starting games, even more so when he’s played at #10 and Bruno pushed out wide with Rashford through the middle? Infact bizarre isn’t the right word Id probably get banned for speaking my mind.
His team selections and subs have been consistently poor for so many matches in a row now. We were looking the most dangerous when we were playing Rashford up front. It's not his best position but when we don't have any other competent striker we have to play him there. Weghorst is just a terrible player. Martial's also poor and doesn't even offer workrate. Both utter liabilities yet picked repeatedly despite failing to make a positive impact every time. ETH will get his chance next season regardless of if we get top 4 or not but this has been a horrendous drop in form and he deserves massive criticism for that in my eyes. There's also been no major change to our style of play and we're not playing the possession style that everyone expected, in fact we had more possession under Ole than we do now. If things don't improve early next season he'll be at risk of getting sacked and considering how much investment he's had in just his first season justifiably so.
Losing to Sevilla in the Europa Quarter Finals 2-5 with a 2-0 lead is also part of the overachievement don’t forget. . .
I like a lot of things about EtH but the bar really has been in the basement for some.
Maybe it's time to pick up the phone and have that discussion with Rangnick, after all.
Just like Ole, he made his bed by signing crap or players that don’t fit. Coupled with the bottlers we already had - he’ll be lucky if he survives next season.
i posted this in another thread but feel it will get deleted before long so posting it here too..
Its hard not to notice the drop in quality these last months, which is somewhat on ETH for sure.
Its hard not to notice the drop in quality these last months, which is somewhat on ETH for sure.
However… we’ve come to the crucial last stages of the season after a gruelling schedule which has had us play 3 games every 8/9 days for months, we haven’t had a week off between matches for a long time. Our mainstay defense is gone for the season and out squad is so threadbare we keep having to rely on the likes of Weghorst, with key players like…
Rashfords goals dried up
Martial injured for large parts of the season
Sancho going awol for a while and not providing a whole lot on the pitch
Casemiro missing for key games due to his stupid red cards
Garnacho injured for a chunk of game
Eriksen injured for a chunk of games
Having to rely on McFred, Maguire and Lindelof again for multiple games
Anthony hasn’t kicked on yet
Constant DDG howlers like today costing us points
ETH hasn’t helped himself at times that’s for sure, and i’m not trying to absolve all blame from him, but it’s his first season in the league with complete uncertainty around the ownership creating unrest, and we are still on track to finish in the top 4 with a Carling Cup win and the potential for an FA Cup win, granted it’s a long shot but we’ve beat City this season. This is a setback but we just need to win 3 of our last 4 games, 3 of which are at home where we’ve been our best this season
Please have a little perspective and take in the context before we start suggesting stupid things like sacking him just yet
Its hard not to notice the drop in quality these last months, which is somewhat on ETH for sure.
Its hard not to notice the drop in quality these last months, which is somewhat on ETH for sure.
However… we’ve come to the crucial last stages of the season after a gruelling schedule which has had us play 3 games every 8/9 days for months, we haven’t had a week off between matches for a long time. Our mainstay defense is gone for the season and out squad is so threadbare we keep having to rely on the likes of Weghorst, with key players like…
Rashfords goals dried up
Martial injured for large parts of the season
Sancho going awol for a while and not providing a whole lot on the pitch
Casemiro missing for key games due to his stupid red cards
Garnacho injured for a chunk of game
Eriksen injured for a chunk of games
Having to rely on McFred, Maguire and Lindelof again for multiple games
Anthony hasn’t kicked on yet
Constant DDG howlers like today costing us points
ETH hasn’t helped himself at times that’s for sure, and i’m not trying to absolve all blame from him, but it’s his first season in the league with complete uncertainty around the ownership creating unrest, and we are still on track to finish in the top 4 with a Carling Cup win and the potential for an FA Cup win, granted it’s a long shot but we’ve beat City this season. This is a setback but we just need to win 3 of our last 4 games, 3 of which are at home where we’ve been our best this season
Please have a little perspective and take in the context before we start suggesting stupid things like sacking him just yet
Gutted this is how it's ending with ETH. Had high hopes
Two things I don’t get 1. Why play Weghorst and not use his height but play him as an attacking midfielder? It’s like playing with 10 men and 2. why not let Bruno roam more instead of stubbornly playing him on the right when it clearly doesn’t work?
He needs to take more risks and rotate more.
He needs to take more risks and rotate more.
I have some questions about the line-up today and the overall performance in this game which was shocking.
We have lost two whole games though purely because one player stuck his arm up in the last second of one game and our keeper let in a weak as piss shot. Maybe those two games are 0 - 0s or we even win this one but the manager can’t be at fault for those two things, but yes for the overall crap performance tonight.
We have lost two whole games though purely because one player stuck his arm up in the last second of one game and our keeper let in a weak as piss shot. Maybe those two games are 0 - 0s or we even win this one but the manager can’t be at fault for those two things, but yes for the overall crap performance tonight.
I mean, we would likely create a lot more xG with a proper centre forward making the requisite runs, but it is hard to have any sympathy for a manager who looks at this squad and thinks
…… Rashford
Bruno Weg Antony
with Malacia and AWB at full-back is the best use of the resources he has available.
Erik ten Hag: "I can't blame my team, they put all the effort in.
What is he smoking? I want the same as he has.
What is he smoking? I want the same as he has.
Unfortunately, I have to agree. This is a team that he's assembled. Yes, having to shuffle players around due to injuries at centre back is frustrating. But, it's the other end of the pitch that is the issue. The finishing is tragic but we're not doing anywhere near enough to get through games, or to maintain control of matches. I feel like ETH has one plan and sticks to it, and he is unable to deviate from that plan. The subs have also become predictable and stale, and actually don't change/impact the game. He's quickly become too rigid...doing the same thing over and over. How many times did West Ham waltz in down on right hand side tonight? What did we do about it? Nothing.
For me the worst is that he doesn’t seem to acknowledge the fact that our midfield cannot function with lightweight players like Bruno and Eriksen, who are totally ineffective when pressed, can’t shield the ball to save their lives, and non-existent defensively despite all the running about by Bruno. It really is a terrible midfield that can only function when conditions are good. Anthony, Malacia, and Wout are shockers as well. All of his signings which he knew inside out.
We need to start a dialogue
Manager is at fault for the absolute shambles that we are going forward. Every keeper/defender has a howler in them from time to time, but we look absurdly disjointed going forward.
Today they could have added 800 minutes and we'd still not score.
Would that be the plan to have Weghorst displace Bruno as no. 10… so Bruno can play wide left?
Feck me
Pretty much.
Myself and others tried to point out the attacking football hadn't really changed. It was still all about Bruno putting Rashford through.
But as I've said before, a manager needs new tools. He can't transform players. Many convinced themselves ETH had turned around players careers. Ridiculous expectation levels.
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