Explain why the xG data backs this statement up
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Fixture congestion is an obvious problem. We haven't had a midweek off since August. We visibly get worse in 2nd halves pretty often and as the games drag on. That doesn't excuse our shit away record to decent sides, but there are reasons for it, and fatigue plays a part, as does not having a striker, as does ten hag needing to adjust things.
This. Even with the Pep example, City hired Txiki and started putting the infrastructure in place for him years before they hired him.
As if you'd give him a pass if he plucked someone from the academy
Brighton have got some cracking players - none of these names would have stood out yet they fit really well into the team - why are our scouts not unearthing these hidden gems?
Who gives two bits of s*** what happened earlier in the season. You, a human being with a functioning brain, think playing midweek for almost six months straight should not effect the players. Who the feck are you and what have you done in your life that you get to criticize players that have gone through this.
No one is saying fatigue isn't a factor. Convincing ourselves it's the only reason we have been godawful for last 3 months is just burying our heads in the sands.
If today's game didn' t bring you any joy, you should stop watching football. Or your full of shit and it's all about the end result.
It makes me fear for the academy if none of them are better than WW
I think he has been caught out here, with the amount of fixtures and the state of the squad. (lack of depth, lack of striker etc) . Really disapointed and he has to take reponsibilty.
Brighton have played 41 games this season.
We've played 56.
I think we've played the most games in English football. With a squad beyond the first XI that can't really be trusted, not for ability nor mentality.
You can't pretend the number of games on a small trusted group of players isn't having an affect. Luckily, after this week we do only play once a week for a little while which hopefully gives us the rest we need for the final. Just get top 4 sorted as soon as possible.
He played him for like 6 minutes when we needed more legs.
Except that he is right.
Because there is nothing unique about us playing these many games.
City is playing these many games too and looks amazing. Liverpool (who also do not have massive depth) played 63 matches last season, won the two domestic Cups, almost won UCL and got 92 points in the league.
Forgot the pen was included but I’d bet about 70% of ours was in the first half.
2nd half certainly didn't bring me any joy, if it did for you then you're fecking crazy and you should get yourself checked out. How tf am I supposed to find pleasure in a game where a team is battering mine
Why was it naive to go strong early? We STILL can afford to lose 2 of our last 5 games and still achieve our league target, we are still in an FA Cup final and we still won the league Cup. Like people are criticizing him for choosing to not rotate much earlier (he subbed players off often), as if that would change the fact that we've played the most games in Europe, and while ignoring the fact that him doing that meant we won a trophy, are in another cup final and are still firmly in the driver seat to achieve our league objective. Who gives a feck if the points are won in November, February or April? What's important is the final table, and the trophies won ultimately.
I would expect people to slate him even as an unused sub
By all accounts our scouts have been marginalized and overruled over the years
Is this for real ? If it's a common problem for the entire season it means it's not just down to fatigue that we're shit away from home.
So you want to delete the first part of the season from existence and just focus on the last few months because that's the one you can give excuses ?
Who are you to question me as a person ? I'm a goddamn doctor who takes night-time shifts regularly. Converting this discussion into personal attack says everything about you.
"Common sense" my ass.
How does that mean we weren't unlucky?
We should have scored 2/3 goals in the first 45
I'm getting a bit concerned tbh. ETH has some top players that Ole didn't have, and we're scoring significantly less goals, while our possession hasn't improved either. I understand that ETH needed to be practical at the start of the season, but I expected to see a lot more progress in terms of our ability to keep the ball and create chances by now.
Sell Rashy, ten Hag out
Bet you if we bought 2 or 3 players from Brighton they'd look crap. I don't have an answer as to why, but there's something rotten at the core of this club. We're a graveyard for players and managers alike
Every chance Brighton can catch us too. We should have theirs and Newcastle manager on the radar
Yeah ours was almost entirely 1st half, but still even game overall, decided by a dumb last second handball from a corner that should never have happened given they dived to win the foul, but anyway. Matters little ultimately, draw or loss at this point is more just an ego thing and has 0 to do with our progression and pretty much no impact on our top 4 chances.
I give him some leeway, because we looked good in possession in preseason, but then with the same tactics the players could not cope with it in a way that is abnormal. This immediate regression is what makes me believe I can't blame Ten Hag in regards to our possession play. Might be naive, but I think seeing immediate regression from what could only be a fragile mentality in some players makes me want to give him another preseason.
It's been clear from the Liverpool match (3rd match) that we've been pragmatic since those opening 2 fixtures. We've slowly allowed de Gea to pass from the back (on only the easiest of pressures), which is the extent to which we have ventured into.
I don't expect us to go beyond that this season. Most managers don't feel like they have enough time during the season to instill new tactics. Especially not United with our congested fixture list. We could have maybe done more before the WC to get back to what we wanted to do in preseason, but maybe Ten Hag did not trust our current players to carry out those instructions before building up even more confidence.
I will be the first to criticize Ten Hag next season if even after bringing in new players, and another preseason we still look the same.
The only criticism I really have is his faith in Wout, the opening 15 min of every 2nd half (when legs should not be as done as say the final 25 minutes or so), and maybe being too conservative recently in the last 10 minutes of matches. Then again, we're already at the end of the season and it's hard to get that upset when we're only like 3 wins away from securing top 4.
Congrats. You'd be dead in two weeks if you had to play 2-3 matches a week.
Weghorst is Ten Hag's version of Fellaini, I still maintain he is doing a good job under difficult circumstances, both first choice central defenders missing, no genuine striker, and a takeover process that is now probably undermining him and impacting negatively over the whole club.
Why not use City (this season) or Liverpool (last season) who played as many games (in the case of Liverpool more than we can play this season), and you know, didn't look totally clueless?
Brighton also cost a fraction of our squad, and changed managers in September. Imagine the defense here if ten Hag didn't have a pre-season, let alone had to come mid-season.
Anyone putting this one on him is a moron to the highest order. ETH coached a W. Not this fault when players can't finish or Marriner looks for any little chance to blow his whistle against us for a foul. That penalty came directly from Marriner calling a clear dive a foul and giving a free kick
Wouldn't surprise me at all. If I'm the new owner I'd be pumping money into that department and putting a proper structure in place - look how well run Brighton are
Ole had Greenwood, Cavani and Martial when he was of any use.
Because our second half was a total shambles. Again. And not scoring isn’t unlucky. We constantly miss chances. It isn’t luck.
It was true though. Playing Bruno, Rashford and co every single game and not even taking them off when we were winning fairly comfortably was ridiculous. Everyone was saying at the time
The below needs sorting next season, simply not good enough, first season or not.
That is a good catch. I don't think pen changes anything realistically
Players clearout this summer or he'll have serious problems in achieving any form of consistent football.
That second half was appalling. No matter how little you can blame him for how we lost it in the very end, the way we played was dog shit. We look knackered, so use the squad, even if there's a noticeable gap in quality, we're just dying on our feet in mot games.
The other thing most of the numpties don't seem to consider is that we've been out of Europe of two weeks and we're still playing the awful Thursday-Sunday rotation. That's how bad our scheduling has been. We literally played one PL game in September for heavens sake.
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