No one, I wanna keep him. He's done well I'd say, just stop playing this donkey under any circumstances
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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But Brighton can outpass teams using a side assembled through 1/5 of our spending, if that, and would be top-4 if they had a prolific centre forward (who was able to participate in play). Ole-ball has a clear ceiling except in once in a century circumstances: even Leicester needed Kante and Mahrez as well as a lot of fortune when winning the league through playing more of a counterpunch game.
You can't certainly can't play that kind of game through European competitions, just punting and scrapping and charging or soaking up pressure then hoofing it out to the wings. Maybe we should try recruiting technical players with genuine energy in CM and a genuine out and out centre forward, before we go back to the nostalgia or heroic failure followed by abject defeats to the likes of Watford
The manager doesn't make those decisions.
He says who he wants and the DoF will go out and get it done. If there could not be enough resources to tie down multiple deals in tandem that's not a ten hag problem.
Malacia could be done very quickly, and Licha came after him. There was business being done before the FDJ pursuit ended.
Why does he play Wout?
If we have nobody else, if his squad is so bad he cannot find anyone better than Wout, then he should give a start to a kid from the academy. Even if we lose, we'd say he tried something. He doesn't even try anything, he is doing the same thing again and again, with the same results. Wout is a failed loan, do not play him ever again, no matter how few choices we have.
If we have nobody else, if his squad is so bad he cannot find anyone better than Wout, then he should give a start to a kid from the academy. Even if we lose, we'd say he tried something. He doesn't even try anything, he is doing the same thing again and again, with the same results. Wout is a failed loan, do not play him ever again, no matter how few choices we have.
At Brighton, the manager is a small cog in a very well-run and well-organized operation - basically the opposite of how our club has been set up.
I reckon de Zerbi at another club would be just another average manager, in the same way that Potter turned out to be nothing special once he left.
Our 1st 11 was strong today more than good enough to play well and take control of most teams. And having Sabitzer, Eriksen and Sancho to bring on is good options.
He's another counter attack manager and when Casemiro isn't playing well we look barely improved on last season.
Most clubs (and all the big ones) have a structure in place where the manager is part of the machinery, and not even that important (sure Pep is another matter, but I think City would be quite good, although not as good without him). That's why managers come and go, but ultimately are easily replaceable (see Brighton whose manager changed in September).
United does not have such a structure and the manager is the club. This makes things weird because it is destined to ultimately fail, but at the same time creates a God-cult for the manager from fans, which needlessly extends their spells here. It also doesn't help that we haven't been that great at picking managers, and we are always late at sacking them.
When your club has a strategy and vision they follow from training juniors, recruitment, style of play and managers fitting into this vision, continuity is easier when you get things “right”.
What we’ve done is hop from manager to manager to manager - all with extremely different ideals on how they want to play, sign players fitting into their style and then end up firing the manager and hiring someone else with a completely style and ending up with a Frankenstein of a squad not suited to any genuine style of play.
Personally, I think he needs time. If we bottle top 4, it’ll be a huge knock on the faith I have in him/patience I have for him, but top 4 and a cup remains a decent season and until that changes, I’ll remain optimistic and I’d really expect him to kick on next season assuming we’re able to sign another 3-4 players.
It's the manner of criticism and questioning that separates a brat from a man. It can't be all negativity and feeble-mindedness. We're not Arsenal.
Honestly, if you swapped managers, ten Hag would have that Brighton team destroying us under De Zerbi. Erik is a better coach but, and this mental to say, Brighton have the better players to play a dominating game.
Look at how many players they have who can carry the ball, shield it under pressure, turn away from opposition players, etc. Pretty much their entire midfield and attack is of that ilk of player whereas we have no one. Martial when on top form is that player, but that's rare nowadays, and Rashford is great but is a direct forward rather than a press resistant type. Garnacho is that type but I'm just talking about this game.
Our recruitment strategy needs a complete overhaul. There are so many of these players out there we can get but we keep going for lightweight, moment players who come out with a good goal, assist, pass, whatever, instead of focusing on their general play.
Look at how many players they have who can carry the ball, shield it under pressure, turn away from opposition players, etc. Pretty much their entire midfield and attack is of that ilk of player whereas we have no one. Martial when on top form is that player, but that's rare nowadays, and Rashford is great but is a direct forward rather than a press resistant type. Garnacho is that type but I'm just talking about this game.
Our recruitment strategy needs a complete overhaul. There are so many of these players out there we can get but we keep going for lightweight, moment players who come out with a good goal, assist, pass, whatever, instead of focusing on their general play.
Half the players are shite, that's why! And he knows this!
Everyone who moans about ETH, look at Klopp's first Liverpool side:
And now look at their 11. Klopp gutted that team over time.
ETH will do the same. We can't keep sacking managers because you lot have no patience.
Can't compare Klopp to ETH, big difference in class. What Klopp did in Germany was great and showed clear ideas as soon as he came in.
We're not getting the vision I expected from ETH and has at times managed things badly. Could be down to the huge amount of games, but you can argue it was naive to strong teams in almost every game early on.
Plus, I don't think ETH is ruthless like Pep or Klopp.
Let's see how the season ends, top 4 is must. Then I will be interested to see what he does with DDG, that for me would be very telling.
Not taking the fixture congestion into account is ignorance of the highest order.
Our away form is fecking embarrassing. Capitulation after capitulation. I don't expect him to sort that out before the end of the season, but he has a big job to do there.
Football will continue to be horrific as long as De Gea, Wan Bissaka, Fred, Lindelof, Weghorst and Martial play regularly.
Chuck Maguire, McTominay and Dalot since the world cup into that as well, and you see where the issues really are. Antony I'm giving a bit of a pass to as he's young and in a new league. 12 months and we'll see.
This squad is nowhere near ten Hag's yet. If the players change and the results and performances stay the same, then we have an issue.
Until then, we've progressed, won a trophy for the first time in 5 years and have the chance for another. Will still comfortably qualify for top 4 in my opinion, Wolves, Bournemouth, Chelsea and Fulham will give us the points. Not to mention Newcastle have a tough few fixtures.
Keep convincing yourself that.
So almost even until the penalty. Seems about right.
Did you not watch the match today? It was Martial for the majority with Weghorst getting a small run out.
Yeah, I'm going to agree with you. Honestly, I'm just as clueless as the next guy when it comes to understanding why we're so pathetic on the ball but I guess its down to years of poor recruitment. And, to be fair, from what we're told, we've only had time for match practice as opposed to general training which clearly plays a part. Teams like Newcastle and Brighton have had a significant amount of time more than us to drill down on the fundamentals this season in between PL games. Even during the WC, they'd have had most of their players around to continue learning. We haven't had that luxury and even now, we're, for some fecking horrible reason, playing the much dreaded Thursday to Sunday rotation.
There's still a massive over reaction in here as there is every time we drop points. Whilst that 2nd half was absolutely shite, we were pretty good in that first. Surely, most would expect a massive 2nd half drop off when we're close to playing our 60th game of the season? It was never going to be flawless. I've no idea why people expected different to this, to be honest.
Half the players are shite, that's why! And he knows this!
Everyone who moans about ETH, look at Klopp's first Liverpool side:
And now look at their 11. Klopp gutted that team over time.
ETH will do the same. We can't keep sacking managers because you lot have no patience.
“Keep sacking”? We have a track record of keeping on proven failures long after they have reached the point of no return. Ten Hag is nowhere near that point of course but just because “Klopp” did it (in reality Klopp plus Liverpool DoF and scouts), there is no guarantee Ten Hag and United will (particularly as the club’s recruitment record continues to be average to poor (Martinez aside).
Some of the posts in here... the state of our fan fanbase is more depressing than any loss.
State of some of the comments on here tonight.
Remember at the start of the season it was a process and going to take time? What happened to that then? I think some people are forgetting where he has taken us from and the crap he has had to deal with in the process. The good football we played pre world cup.
Perhaps some on here just like the manager merry go round and can't get off.
Top four with one trophy and potentially another. You wouldn't find one person who wouldn't of said that was progress at the start of the season.
Remember at the start of the season it was a process and going to take time? What happened to that then? I think some people are forgetting where he has taken us from and the crap he has had to deal with in the process. The good football we played pre world cup.
Perhaps some on here just like the manager merry go round and can't get off.
Top four with one trophy and potentially another. You wouldn't find one person who wouldn't of said that was progress at the start of the season.
Different ends of the same donkey.
Where the hell they get that xg? Should've had like 3 plus goals in the first half easy
His obsession with Wout is making me seriously question him.
Just WHY??? He offers NOTHING, and actually hinders us. We owe him feck all, he's a loan player, he should have been sent back to Burnley
Yet he persists in giving him minutes
If he signs him permanently....
Just WHY??? He offers NOTHING, and actually hinders us. We owe him feck all, he's a loan player, he should have been sent back to Burnley
Yet he persists in giving him minutes
If he signs him permanently....
No need to convince myself anything this is an undeniable fact of nature. If you can't wrap your head around it I don't know what to tell you. Use common sense, be smarter. Maybe go play some FIFA if this is beyond your level of comprehension
We didn't have the set up behind the scenes and you know it. That's not Erik's fault admittedly but the persual of Frenkie was an absolute farce.
And even if we had signed Antony for 55m it would have still been too much. He's absolutely crap pal.
It was a pretty even game that we nearly got the point we were hoping for from. I'm inclined to see it as him once again getting a decent performance out of a depleted and shattered squad.
I've never heard that phrase before but I love it! Hah
And then we watch games and we realize it's nit just end-of-season objectives, as a fan, if your team brings you no joy from watching it then it's frustrating.
I don't watch football just so that the club meets its objectives, I have FM for this kinda shit
Jesus christ.
Ten Hag clearly a talented manager, who's working with a jumbo sale squad. Has he made mistakes this season? Yes but every top manager does. Let's give the man some time to overhaul this team, get the right players in and implement his ideas. Do people really think Ten Hag came to United to play broken, long ball, chaotic football? Anyone who does, clearly didn't watch a single Ajax game in the last 5 years.
Using common sense means admitting we have been crap away from home the entire season and not just last month.
But it's hopeless arguing "common sense" with someone who thinks saying "go play FIFA" to end a post makes him look so cool.
Also, his refusal to rely on the young players is really starting to get on my nerves. They cannot be this shit, surely?
Validates what I saw with my own eyes. Don’t get what people saying we were unlucky watched. The second half was tough viewing and I’m a big fan of ETH. As I said a few weeks back - he’s going to be defined by how ruthless we are. So many of these players need to go for us to play at the level we need to be.
First sentence sounds like a line out of a 90's action film - cute. Second sentence makes no sense - the overall sentiment of this thread has been positive regarding this manager. He's just not infallible, and people are rightly criticising and questioning him. We've had a substantial amount of shit-shows under him already.
Eriksen when we badly needed some sort of calmness and control in midfield and his continued Fetish with Wout Weghorst who is less than a football player.
Why the hell is he playing that fecking donkey ahead of Pellistri. It's not like he's not shown he can do it at least as a sub but we keep seeming that clown playing for United.
He shouldn't make subs because the ones on the bench are shit. But he should also make subs because the ones on the pitch are shit. And when he makes subs he shouldn't make the subs he made but other subs because those subs would be better.
Our squad is a) shattered from playing twice a week since November, and b) filled with shit unable to play the type of football he wants the team to play.
Calm the feck down everyone.
Our squad is a) shattered from playing twice a week since November, and b) filled with shit unable to play the type of football he wants the team to play.
Calm the feck down everyone.
What Ten Hag did in the Netherlands was amazing as well, and ETH has shown equally clear ideas. I'll concede that his squads have shown a tendency to fold under heavy pressure, but that might be on the players more so than the coach, who has had to work with some fragile characters.
We''ll see how ruthless he is next season.
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