Yeah, you are right... My attenuating circumstances are my fever and the game I just watched.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Yeah, you are right... My attenuating circumstances are my fever and the game I just watched.
You are the first poster to complain about the academy players..
Who should he play when everybody is getting fecking INJURED, WHO? Some random youth? Bloody hell people.
He’s got credit in the bank, but if the Qataris come in he’s going to be on thin ice quickly with performances like this away from home, you don’t pay £6bn to get embarrassed by a lowly Spanish team.
He needs so many players.
A GK
At least one back up CB
A RB
2 CM
Good knows what he needs in terms of the front 3. Sancho,Weghorst,Martial at a minimum need to be dumped.
Weghorst genuinely makes Bebe and Obertan look competent. Pretty much anyone would be better than him.
And Maguire at this stage is a meme. Play Shaw or Casemiro there, but Maguire should not ever play for United.
What did you expect from this squad, win the league or challenge for the title? We are 3rd, so am.unsure what expectations did you have from him.
I beg of you, stop reading this thread tonight. Relax and go to bed. I’m doing the same now.
The replies in here could easily induce an aneurysm. Shocking state of some posters haha.
Not his fault we’re blitzed with injuries to key players and having rely on players that have let us down before under different managers.
You can tell he doesn’t rate Maguire and Lindelof though. I think he’s tried hard to get something out of Sancho but I’m sure he’s wishing he had Garnacho.
You can tell he doesn’t rate Maguire and Lindelof though. I think he’s tried hard to get something out of Sancho but I’m sure he’s wishing he had Garnacho.
So what are you suggesting? Sack him and bring Ole back?
Not at all.
But stop saying this manager is amazing because he clearly isn't. Ole didn't lose in Europe like this. Sevilla and Villarreal were very tight games. This wasn't tight at all.
At least this is out of the way now. Honestly - who cares that much about EL?
1. We were cruising it, then injuries and Malacia happened.
2. Tonight was always going to be difficult for any team. The stadium was rocking, they went out for blood since the first minute. We just had to hold them for the first half, and then smash and grab it. But then Maguire and De Gea happened. We gift them a goal in the 7th minute, they'll always get encouraged and perform excellent.
3. The worst thing that can happen is to concede 2nd goal early in the 2nd half. Then it's game over. The 2nd goal is again on De Gea.
It's a difficult season, we had very bad moments and very good moments. The drop in quality from Martinez/Varane to Maguire/Linde is ASTONISHING. Also without Bruno we don't have engine.
Pep had a difficult first season at City, and he inherited a MUCH BETTER team than what ETH has here.
Klopp had difficult first few season at Pool.
Arteta?
This start of the new era is not going to be very easy, we don't have the squad for it. We have a massive summer ahead.
Also, I wish we could sack a bunch of people from here. Honestly, some posts make me feel ashamed that I'm part of this fanbase. We have threads on here where we make fun of posts from other message boards. But the state of redcafe after a bad perfomance is beyond laughable and honestly as bad, if not worse than anything I've seen us make fun of from rawk.
1. We were cruising it, then injuries and Malacia happened.
2. Tonight was always going to be difficult for any team. The stadium was rocking, they went out for blood since the first minute. We just had to hold them for the first half, and then smash and grab it. But then Maguire and De Gea happened. We gift them a goal in the 7th minute, they'll always get encouraged and perform excellent.
3. The worst thing that can happen is to concede 2nd goal early in the 2nd half. Then it's game over. The 2nd goal is again on De Gea.
It's a difficult season, we had very bad moments and very good moments. The drop in quality from Martinez/Varane to Maguire/Linde is ASTONISHING. Also without Bruno we don't have engine.
Pep had a difficult first season at City, and he inherited a MUCH BETTER team than what ETH has here.
Klopp had difficult first few season at Pool.
Arteta?
This start of the new era is not going to be very easy, we don't have the squad for it. We have a massive summer ahead.
Also, I wish we could sack a bunch of people from here. Honestly, some posts make me feel ashamed that I'm part of this fanbase. We have threads on here where we make fun of posts from other message boards. But the state of redcafe after a bad perfomance is beyond laughable and honestly as bad, if not worse than anything I've seen us make fun of from rawk.
So far, he's done okay-to-decent. But I'm really disappointed by the lack of tactical improvement. I was hoping for a Pep-style imprint on the team, rather naively I suppose. But this is just like a better version of Solskjaer's football.
The £80m he spunked on Antony could've gone a lot further
So many games we create nothing.
I'm not raging. I didn't think we'd beat after the 2-2. Even with all the starters out, it shouldn't be a humiliation. There were enough experienced players out there.
When we lose like that, it goes beyond the players, mentally the players aren't prepared correctly.
And that’s only the starting 11. He needs an entire new bench, too. Not unrealistic to say we need to bring in 7-8 new faces.
Given the expectations from their starting points, I would say no. Especially given the relative strength in the PL and the different teams in the EL..
took too long to fix the midefield tonight, but could only do so much. That said, it is becoming increasingly crucial that he does something about this teams lack of intensity. 1 in 5 matches at least are embarrassing, and he that’s his responsibility to fix over the course of a season.
Why don't you just go and follow Ole with his new team .. wait he hasn't got a job since getting sacked 2 years ago, has he ?
Oh I fully agree. It’s a miracle we’ve gotten this far and played so many games with the squad we have.
I said it from the start, we should have used this competition to play the players we basically did tonight because this injury and fixture chaos was always going to happen. Ten Hag fought against it and did well but we basically went out of Europe with that reserve team anyway
That doesn't change the fact that disappointment will be felt vividly after defeats like that. We have lost too many games in a capitulating manner, for the supposedly 3rd best team in England, it's crazy to me
He is still better than Ole, though. Won a cup and some of the players he brought have been generally better.
You do realise he's ahead of where Pep was at the same point and Pep took over a far better run club that was challenging for the league?
Didn't Westham under Moyes knock Sevilla out of Europe last season?
Honestly, we have been here with Ole. He managed second, look how great he was. Yes, when other clubs are shitting themselves, you can be third (or even second) while having a mediocre season.
We are on course for a 75-point season. That's not good at all. We also had some of the heaviest trashings I remember.
Mind you, it is not bad as under Ole or Mourinho's last season. But it is also not that much better than them in their first two seasons (and worse than Mourinho's second).
How do we unpick the paradox of fans broadly being content with the job that ETH is doing, yet we enter the weekend with Brighton being comfortable favourites with the bookies on a neutral ground this weekend? Even with the injuries, this feels inexcusable.
I really do not know where we stand right now.
I really do not know where we stand right now.
The PL in Mourinho's first season was far stronger than the current PL. Current PL is shit to be honest. Liverpool and Chelsea aren't getting European football next season.
Because Ole was just sitting back and countering all the time. ETH is actually trying to implement his style of football that is much riskier and with time it will be worth it. But seeing people on here having patience of a gold fish.
Another capitulation in an away game..
Get top 4 and I'll be happy enough with the season, but our collapses away from home are genuinely worrying. And they keep happening.
Get top 4 and I'll be happy enough with the season, but our collapses away from home are genuinely worrying. And they keep happening.
He can’t control players on the pitch and can’t be blamed for Sevilla goals but the way we came out for the second half without any urgency, or how we basically stopped playing and put on reserve players at 2-0 at home when the tie could have been put to bed are definitely at least partly on him.
I assume we will finish top 4 and won’t win FA Cup, both of which are fair assumptions I guess, it has been an okay season. Nothing more, nothing less. Definitely not a sackable one for Ten Hag, but also not a brilliant one where we can categorically say he’s going to be our savior. For £200m spent, largely to address our biggest weakness in midfield with one of the most high profile players around, it’s pretty much the minimum you’d expect without being thoroughly disappointed.
I assume we will finish top 4 and won’t win FA Cup, both of which are fair assumptions I guess, it has been an okay season. Nothing more, nothing less. Definitely not a sackable one for Ten Hag, but also not a brilliant one where we can categorically say he’s going to be our savior. For £200m spent, largely to address our biggest weakness in midfield with one of the most high profile players around, it’s pretty much the minimum you’d expect without being thoroughly disappointed.
Placing his trust in Maguire backfired but wouldn't have played at all had Varane and Martinez had played tonight. I'd hope he has the sense to play Shaw,Lindelof as centre back tonight.
Lack of leadership seen again tonight in the in face of adversity as was seen under a number of managers now. Bruno,Martinez could have provided that tonight their losses bigger than imagined
Lack of leadership seen again tonight in the in face of adversity as was seen under a number of managers now. Bruno,Martinez could have provided that tonight their losses bigger than imagined
Not lose in a capitulating manner that often. Like I said, losing isn't the issue, how it happens is very telling
So ? What does have to do with anything ?
Good recovery after the disastrous start to the season but performances since League cup final as well as certain personnel adn game management decisions show that he is still incredibly naive and still has a lot to prove. Many hyped him up as the saviour in the summer but I still have not seen anything that makes me think he is a special manager. Big summer for him.
Yeah I don’t think ‘ETH is getting hammered because he is trying to play amazing beautiful football’ is going to fly much longer. We have been inept against good teams away from home almost without exception.
Any opponent is stressed when a team is pressing in synchrony. Reduce a players time on the ball and you see their true quality, that's where the elite shows. We should try it sometime.
Sack Ten Hag and hire Moyes.
The thing is guys, we say he's done a much better job than Ole.
But everytime we have injuries and revert to Ole's team, we get he same abject performance. For those who believe coaching and tactics can make a huge difference shouldn't this tell you something?
This isn’t slamming ETH. But his job will 90% depend on how well he does with his sales and buys.
There is nothing a manager can do to sort out the problems we had tonight without lots of new players.
But everytime we have injuries and revert to Ole's team, we get he same abject performance. For those who believe coaching and tactics can make a huge difference shouldn't this tell you something?
This isn’t slamming ETH. But his job will 90% depend on how well he does with his sales and buys.
There is nothing a manager can do to sort out the problems we had tonight without lots of new players.
You cannot force a style on players who just aren't suited for it can you ?
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