Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Stadjer said:
No. Would the BBC invite Tom Holland as a pundit though?
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You'd be surprised

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VP89 said:
The Athletic corroborate their sources very well - and if you read the article they reference direct sources to coaching staff and also cite an actual in-game example as an illustration - against Liverpool in the FA Cup after a corner where Ten Hag shouted at Lindelof-Varane to stay at the half way line and they immediately retreated. He showed visible anger at that time too.

If your insinuation is that the brief to Athletic came from Ten Hag's side, it just cements mine and a few other's point that he instructed the players to be stationed higher and they failed to do it.
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I asked a question mate. I didn't know who the source was.


VP89 said:
As am I - except this article supports my view on the situation and has direct briefs from the coaching staff. So we're in a position where me and some others have said he's not trying to have a seas gap between defence and midfield by design of his own tactics, and others are claiming he has and he's a fraud. Then we get an Athletic brief (not the Daily Star, but the best football source you can probably get) that supports the former argument, and we have posters saying "nah I like my view better". Fair enough, I guess.
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And yet that gap was there all season and there didn't seem to be much done to stop it. I am not claiming to think I'm definitely right but it would take more than one article from an unnamed source to change my opinion formed over 50-60 games. I'm open to the possibility it could well be the case but for the reasons I've explained that raise other concerns for me

And to be fair I never claimed he was a fraud.

VP89 said:
It's this, but Licha was injured throughout the year, Lindelof needing surgery being in and out, Maguire with 2-3 extended periods out, Evans needing to play 4x more than we would have liked - and he had to chop and change CB combinations 30 odd times. This makes it very difficult to get the continuity in to help cement the system he wanted. If you read the Athletic article, the likes of Varane and Casemiro also didn't support his views of pressing and working in a system. A system I might remind, was instructed by the higher ups at the time to implement on the team. Couple those 2 with the bad eggs of Sancho and Ronaldo - it makes it generally and uphill task to get your instructions followed across the board.


It's not this.
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As I said neither scenario reflects particularly well on all involved.

Ronaldo was well gone before last season ever started. The Sancho affair might well have had a detrimental effect though.
 
I suppose it's a good thing that he's not taken the club speaking to other managers badly. I think other characters would have more sour grapes.
 
He said the stuff about disturbing his holiday jokingly, clearly.
The only reason why he started talking about 'we have to agree a deal first', was because the presenter congratulated him on extending his stay (after Erik told him they're talking about a new contract).

I'd highly advice the non Dutch speakers to find full translations on his cameo on TV today. Was very clear and honest and it shows his great insight in football as well. Too bad they sometimes cut him short to ask a question about a comedian/actor and to Marco van Basten, who claims to not watch football because he is into padel (is it also called that and so fashionable in English?) and golf these days. Why we still invite him as a pundit is beyond me as he rarely adds anything to conversation as he 'doesn't know a player' or 'hasn't seen said match'...
 
I bet Ineos didn't tell him that Tuchel rejected their offers because he didnt want his managerial career tied to the decisions of people who aren't even in the door yet.
 
“They are new to football”.

Great thing to say whilst we are trying to be stern negotiators in the current transfer market.

He must be trying to compromise us so he can still have transfer power.
 
Rista said:
I like how finishing 8th is just casually mentioned. Worst PL campaign in modern era is not a "disaster", alright.
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Because it is the new norm. Contrary to what you might think the SAF's United doesn't exist anymore. We are currently closer to Totenham than we are to the top. The only thing we have other them is money and history. And as Chelsea has proven, money without the right owners means diddly squat.

Since SAF retired we finished 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 2nd, 7th, 3rd and 8th. The idea that we were this club that competed on all fronts until ETH came and turned us into a laughing stock doesn't hold up when you compare it to our previous seasons. We finished 7th the season before he took over for God's sake.

The point is we are in the middle of a restructuring process. Our football organization is being overhauled. ETH is building something. Giving him the boot on the back of winning another trophy would be in line with a series of disastrous decision we've done since SAF retired. Thank God we didn't
 
ArmaDino said:
Because it is the new norm. Contrary to what you might think the SAF's United doesn't exist anymore. We are currently closer to Totenham than we are to the top. The only thing we have other them is money and history. And as Chelsea has proven, money without the right owners means diddly squat.

Since SAF retired we finished 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 2nd, 7th, 3rd and 8th. The idea that we were this club that competed on all fronts until ETH came and turned us into a laughing stock doesn't hold up when you compare it to our previous seasons. We finished 7th the season before he took over for God's sake.

The point is we are in the middle of a restructuring process. Our football organization is being overhauled. ETH is building something. Giving him the boot on the back of winning another trophy would be in line with a series of disastrous decision we've done since SAF retired. Thank God we didn't
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No. We finished 6th the season before he took over. In a season where we had 3 managers. We finished 2nd and 3rd the prior two seasons so clearly 2nd/3rd was the average state of the squad relative to the rest of the league when ETH took over.

You dont go from 3rd to 8th in a restructuring/rebuilding process. Ever. There's no valid excuse for it. The only new norm is the fan base now eagerly lap up mediocrity and will feast on whatever platitudes are given out by the club, the manager or Ineos.
 
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Amateur Ineos, we talked to people but decided you were the best of the bad bunch. Landing at doorsteps, couldn't make it up.
 
Xaviboy said:
Is he the type of man that will accept certain responsibilities taken away from him if INEOS do alter things? Full control on the say of player recruitment, style of football changes.

Not sure he will.

Might not agree to certain things.
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Maybe Ineos are playing 4d chess and plan to box ETH into rejecting a contract offer just in time for the Euros to finish..........
 
You’d hope they’ve already agreed that recruitment will be moved away from ETH, because if that forms part of the negotiations and it hasn’t already been settled, then it could be messy. The last thing we need is to end up delaying or compromising on the new structure to adhere to the previous agreement around recruitment. Whether ETH is the right manager for United or not, he is not unequivocally not the right person to head up recruitment. If he can’t agree to that then he should be let go immediately.
 
Brophs said:
You’d hope they’ve already agreed that recruitment will be moved away from ETH, because if that forms part of the negotiations and it hasn’t already been settled, then it could be messy. The last thing we need is to end up delaying or compromising on the new structure to adhere to the previous agreement around recruitment. Whether ETH is the right manager for United or not, he is not unequivocally not the right person to head up recruitment. If he can’t agree to that then he should be let go immediately.
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That "new structure" isn't even set in yet, we are still missing key figures there. I think we should talk about it fully once Ashford is finally confirmed and maybe even more additions coming.
 
Brophs said:
You’d hope they’ve already agreed that recruitment will be moved away from ETH, because if that forms part of the negotiations and it hasn’t already been settled, then it could be messy. The last thing we need is to end up delaying or compromising on the new structure to adhere to the previous agreement around recruitment. Whether ETH is the right manager for United or not, he is not unequivocally not the right person to head up recruitment. If he can’t agree to that then he should be let go immediately.
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Yeah it seems like next level ineptitude to conduct a review and all assess all available options, without making sure that the option you decide on wants to work in the structure you’re implementing.

I thought it was just media chatter and the new contract was a formality after they’d leaked their decision, but ETH coming out like this is damning stuff.
 
hobbers said:
Maybe Ineos are playing 4d chess and plan to box ETH into rejecting a contract offer just in time for the Euros to finish..........
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Could be, good shout. We all know if he doesn't accept what INEOS want to do and doesn't agree to new contract... there going to turn to certain man that would agree to it.. not even going to mention the name :(
 
The Firestarter said:
I hope that puts to bed the narrative that it was all media speculation about talking to different coaches.
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It was clear that everyone wasn't just be plucking things out of thin air for no reason with all the simultaneous reports of discussions with other managers :lol:

It was only a particular set within the fanbase who wanted to bury their heads in the sand and yell out conspiracy
 
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