Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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So in summary nothing was ETHs fault. It wasn't his signings and the players don't listen to him and the structure is sht and the injuries were bad. Nothing he did was his fault. 0. Nada. Nil.
If ten hag couldn't inspire them no one else could right?
ETH will be a special guest tomorrow at the Dutch tv show that covers the Euros. Curious to see if he will say something about Manchester United. 100% sure he will be asked about it.
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Inspire them how? We just beat City in the FA cup final, after a very "inspired" performance.
If you think a team's performance over a season solely depends on the manager's ability to "inspire"... Never mind, I bet you do.
If we steer clear of injuries, he should be able to win the league.
Clearly, the problem is the players.
We only need 500m to buy the players that Ten Hag needs. Then we will win the league and the CL. We have the manager. He just needs to be backed. And no / few injuries.
So, a 3 year plan, then a basket of major trophies, maybe another treble.
Okay.
I love posters who constantly resort to hyperbole nonsense when they can't write a post of actual substance.
Not like there's a dearth of substance in reasons why we're doomed to fail with ETH.
Considering there are changes to a lot of variables that drove our form last season, I'd be inclined to disagree.
That being said I wouldn't put it past you to be so tunnel minded to think in binary fashion with our potential success.
Im serious, if he can get us playing like that all the time. It's just that when he doesn't, there seems to be a million excuses.
The Athletic article actually points out that showing the two motivational videos was a change from the monotonous coaching throughout the season.
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Counting Antony and ignoring VDB, that's 7 players that presumably need to go. Varane's gone too so that's 8. So 500m divided by 8 is 62.5m as the average cost of a player.
Is that really a 'nonsense' number? It might be high but it's not that high.
I mean its so hard to judge how good an injury free shaw, mount and martinez team would be but even a really optimistic outlook would say not good enough to keep up with City. Not that it matters, we have no depth in the team at the moment so any and every injury will be a kick in the teeth, there'll obviously be some.
Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo should with work be good enough to win a league as first team players. But not this season. Give them a couple of years to get Odegaard, Saka levels of experience and we can start talking.
I really dont know what to expect next season. I'm not even going try guess till the season kicks off and a couple of signings have been made.
We probably need about 8 signings to be back in the mix to be honest. Not sure the coach changes that. A lot of them are substitutes I guess but you need a bench to compete really. Then again Eriksen is basically a VDB replacement, who's largely been replaced by Amrabat who probably needs to be replaced
I cannot wait for the excuses when we are absolutely diabolical again in August.
We're the only club that apparently can't get our players to play how the coach wants, not in one year but two full years of coaching. That's insane. My two year old could crawl, walk and talk in that time. Yet we can't be coached in two years. Yet at other clubs managers have an instant impact, even with zero signings under their management. It's just a joke what people have convinced themselves. We've got some top quality players, yet teams with far inferior squads just happen to be more coachable? They can look more assured on the ball, more organised, better coordinated in the press, in attack, in defensive transitions? At this stage I can only laugh at people that come out with this sort of stuff.
Rashford 2 seasons ago papered over the cracks and made us look better than be were and his fall off last season really showed.
I can give him that Martinez and Varane was a huge miss and we seen how good with looked with both starting.
What I can’t forgive is his waste of money on average players and buying the wrong players to go along with that. The fact he thought Mount would be the right #8 was criminal and only took 1 game to find out it was a failure.
I can’t forgive the fact our midfield is consistently walked through and while injuries can be used the fact he never was able to adjust it and make us more solid was a worry.
I feel Hojlund was a good signing and the right one but the fact we didn’t sign a stop gap was criminal as he was 20 and name me a 20 year old striker that will get you 30 goals a season.
He has survived due to the market for managers being poor but he would want to start the season well or else he is in trouble. The FA Cup was great especially beating Liverpool and City, 3 finals and 2 trophies is great for 2 seasons but 8th place is unacceptable. It be different if he had challenged for the league last year and we just had a bad season but he doesn’t have the credit in the bank to be finishing that poor
I can give him that Martinez and Varane was a huge miss and we seen how good with looked with both starting.
What I can’t forgive is his waste of money on average players and buying the wrong players to go along with that. The fact he thought Mount would be the right #8 was criminal and only took 1 game to find out it was a failure.
I can’t forgive the fact our midfield is consistently walked through and while injuries can be used the fact he never was able to adjust it and make us more solid was a worry.
I feel Hojlund was a good signing and the right one but the fact we didn’t sign a stop gap was criminal as he was 20 and name me a 20 year old striker that will get you 30 goals a season.
He has survived due to the market for managers being poor but he would want to start the season well or else he is in trouble. The FA Cup was great especially beating Liverpool and City, 3 finals and 2 trophies is great for 2 seasons but 8th place is unacceptable. It be different if he had challenged for the league last year and we just had a bad season but he doesn’t have the credit in the bank to be finishing that poor
Can he/she play LB or DM though?
I see a maximum of 4 players coming in, ETH's main job is to bring in young players. Perhaps another 2-3 youngsters into XI. United is unlikely to compete in the next 2-3 years therefore our best bet is to develop our own players. Hopefully ETH is the right man to this job, winning now is not Ineos plan for now.
They are close to agreeing the typeface used in the contract
Why the rush to give him a new contract? Wouldn't we better seeing how this coming season goes first?
There are a handful of posters here who genuinely seem to imply that. When any shortcoming is brought up, there's always a ready-made excuse. When pressed, sometimes they'll preface a comment with a vague "I'll admit ETH has made mistakes, but..." followed by another deflection.
As it should be. You don't think the managers at other top clubs aren't under constant pressure?
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That's what the journos on Talk of the Devils said (3-4) - but honestly, with the outgoings we've had, and likely have to come, it feels like we still need (at a minimum); 1 x LB, 2 x CB, 1 x CM, 1 x CF and possibly an Oliseh style wide-forward. But that's 5-6 players.
Heh? Heh?
He actually doesnt 'heh' when he speaks in Dutch. Atleast its not in every sentence.
Im just hoping we will be good and there wont be any excuses but each to their own i guess...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5549017/2024/06/14/erik-ten-hag-player-tensions-principles-play/
Anyone read this from Whitwell?
Anyone read this from Whitwell?
- Ronaldo refused to implement the forward press even after coaching staff "downgraded" the intensity of the press to suit him
- Varane and Case said they preferred Ancelotti's approach to managing and ultimately became "strong dissenting voices" in the squad
- Garnacho thrived with "firm" feedback and Mainoo is "like a sponge"
- Sancho did not commit to the press in practice and walked off. Sancho told the club "they had bought the wrong player" because he is actually a left winger and Antony's signing was actually in response to trying to accommodate Sancho.
- "Some players" found repetition of details "too much" and tuned out in meetings.
- ETH ripped into Antony so harshly at the everton game that Antony was "visibly affected" and is deeply disappointed the signing as not worked out.
Sancho was kind of right, you did buy the wrong player, now please sell him.
Well, if this is true, it's a good thing Ronaldo, Varane, Casemiro, Sancho and Antony are all completely fecking expendable.
how much of our wage bill just end up not bothering, or actively harming the team? It would have to be something like 1.5-2 million per week that were just going around saying "why did you buy me" and "my last manager was better".
How do you manage twats like that, especially in an rolling injury crisis season?. ETH must be glad every day he doesn't have the hair to rip out.
Ten Hag to Sancho “I didn’t fecking buy you”.
It leads to the question of why did he come here? We had a plethora of LW options at United when he joined and nothing on the right. If he only wanted to play left then he signed for the wrong club.
And yet he plays on the right at Borussia. He’s been mostly shiit there too though, no matter what the media says.
Either way the fact that he couldn’t get his back line following his instructions for the whole season is damming. Shouldn’t be hard to get slow defenders to push up and play in 35 PL games.
Even then, if it was so hard then he should’ve adapted his tactics earlier.
Let’s see if the players “follow his instructions” next season.
I'm guessing the bold bit is a joke
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