yeah lets disregards the disaster of a season as a whole based on a couple of games - you sound like an lfc fan in the late 90's where a win over us warranted trophy parades for them
what a mindset we now accept as normal
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yeah lets disregards the disaster of a season as a whole based on a couple of games - you sound like an lfc fan in the late 90's where a win over us warranted trophy parades for them
what a mindset we now accept as normal
Bayern just signed another cb, de ligt might be the cb ten hag wants.
Apparently he's their best cb. But is injuries a concern for him?
If the new leadership team let him continue to dictate transfers, we're in for a world of pain.
At this point I'm so triggered by our transfer strategy that I hope we refuse to sign any player who's ever set foot in a Dutch-speaking country or territory.
Bunch of fecking pseuds.He looks like Zahra’s boyfriend from Peep Show.
This thread is like Dante’s Inferno, just keeps on giving 
> Frenkie dJ thread
Can’t wait for it to light up if we ‘lose’ on Xg first game
> Frenkie dJ thread
Can’t wait for it to light up if we ‘lose’ on Xg first game
I think de Ligt is an upgraded version of Maguire and would become a starter next to Martinez. De Ligt is also a leader which is good.
However he is on huge wages, will cost a big fee and has had issues with injuries. I dont think he is worth it. Not even sure if he wanted to join Manchestrr United right now either...
One of their more sellable assets so yeah they're probably looking towards offloaded him.
His injury record is concerning.
You weren't convinced by his detailed analysis?
People forget fergie first five years at Utd.
Finished:
11th
2nd
12th
13th
6th
In year 7 we won the league and rest is history. Maybe we should give ETH more time....
Finished:
11th
2nd
12th
13th
6th
In year 7 we won the league and rest is history. Maybe we should give ETH more time....
That 4-0 lost against Palace would get any manager sacked. First 5 matches next season will be brutal.
But fair play by INEOS they actually took time to review season. Ed fecking Woodward gave Ole the job on a whim because Rio told him to
But fair play by INEOS they actually took time to review season. Ed fecking Woodward gave Ole the job on a whim because Rio told him to
No, nobody's forgotten because this comparison gets brought up every fecking day in this thread
Ole got the job because he had an outrageous run of results which cumulated in having the best start to a PL career by any manager ever.
People haven't forgotten, the club is in a totally different position then is was back then.
Yes we've heard anyone can turn into SAF just by being given time.
so every manager turns into Fergie mk.II after 5 years? Ferguson must have been quite ordinary then
It's hilarious how every time the comparison is brought up, the poster acts like it's a novel piece of information that's never been discussed here
On the plus side, Dinostar's reaction score is rocketing upwards.
Did I imagine the FA Cup final where all the players seemed to be fully committed?
I think everyone in here whether they wanted Ten Hag to stay or go. Would agree that if he finishes 12th next season, he won't get the chance to finish 13th the season after.
People forget Ron Atkinson's first five years at United.
Finished:
3rd
3rd
4th
4th
4th
In year 6 we sacked him and the next manager won 38 trophies, including 13 Premier League titles, five FA Cups, and two UEFA Champions League titles and the rest is history. Maybe we should have given Ron Atkinson more time... wait
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It's daft to say we should give ETH more time because of what happened with Fergie, when the same logic would mean we would have kept Ron Atkinson and not even hired Fergie when we did.
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Wholly shite dinostar is trending
Poor Ron, if he'd just managed to get that 6th year he have won those 38 trophies.
As 6 is the magic number when any manager turns into the GOAT apparently.
At this point I'm not so sure
I don't think that's true. If we extend his contract and we have a bad start to the season then it's the exact same narrative that we made the wrong decision in keeping him, and even more criticism that we rewarded him with a new contract. Clubs have to sack managers who have more than 1 year left on their contract all the time. I'm almost certain Ole and Mourinho got a contract months before they were sacked. Increasing the amount we have to pay him off if/when we sack him doesn't give the club "security" at all.
The actual legit argument I've heard to extend his contract would be, that it motivates the manager to make medium-long term decisions instead of short term decisions. If the manager thinks he could be gone at the end of the season, he's motivated to chase short term results. If he thinks he's got time to build the team to how he wants over multiple years, he will take a longer term approach to his decision making.
Having said that, contracts are an illusion anyway as a manager can be sacked at any moment. If results are bad enough you're getting binned off either way, whether you've received a contract extension or not.
Fair enough there isn't an obvious manager to replace him with after Tuchel backed out and I understand wanting to give him a chance after the cup win, what I don't understand is INEOS negotiating a contract extension. Surely after last season they would want to see if he can turn it around before committing to him further.
I was hoping the new owners would make better footballing decisions but this doesn't give me much faith.
I was hoping the new owners would make better footballing decisions but this doesn't give me much faith.
I think Atkinson was sacked after two 4th places, not three.
I don’t think many operate on the logic that we should give any manager at least six years, regardless of results. Pointing to Ferguson’s five first season should’nt be seen as some kind of blueprint.
I think what they show is rather that, behind mediocre results and abysmal performances on the pitch, there might happen a lot of stuff that we can’t see or analyze just watching the games and reading the interview and press speculation. We may not see it, so we’re
in a bad position to judge. Those who saw what changes Ferguson brought about regarding training culture, off the pitch culture, getting rid of players with the wrong mentality, overcoming injury issues and reshapimg the use of the academy system for first team purposes, they put that above lost points and placid performances, not for one season, or two seasons, but for five seasons. And they were proven right, we, the fans, wrong.
Atkinson not only had better results and more trophies, but the football was also a lot more entertaining than in Fergie’s first five years. I understand us for wanting him sacked. But it’s easy to see why we were wrong and the board etc were right. They weren’t masterminds, nor idiots, but they saw all the stuff we disn’t see, and made the unpopular decision but the decision they thought were right, looking at all the evidence.
Now I don’t trust the Glazer more than I’d trust a three year old with a marshmallow, but I trust the people getting hired these days at Utd to be able to make a good enough decision (better than mine) because they know infinitely more.
That said, if they fire Ten Hag in january to hire Gareth Southgate, all bets are off.
He's got plenty of motivation - turn it around or lose your job. The extension does the opposite and puts him in a more comfortable position.
It’s true, a prolonged manager contract is no more binding than an exporing one in reality. And we should probably hope the new leadership is less concerned with narratives than with looking at and analyzing the concretes on the ground (not just talking about the rock hard cones at Carrington injuring all the players).
Now that the management opted for him to stay, hope he will be our Arteta. Something suddenly clicked and we play brilliant attacking football next season. More importantly be our SAF 2.0. One can hope.
Tell me you are doing Leetcode without telling me you are doing Leetcode.
He is also not the fastest or most physical, which might cause troubles considering that Martinez is also quite slow and not that physical.
But don’t forget, we are Man United. The terms of the contract are gonna be: an increase in salary, no sacking clause, and the option to build him a statue if he gets us in top 6. We do things in the right way.
The King is dead, love live the King.
Ineos so far have made Ed Woodward and the other Glazer clowns look competent in comparison.
I really do wish people would stop this "We're Manchester United" nonsense.
Apart from two great managers in recent times we're just a cup winning team.
We are certainly in better hands than Eddie and the Chuckle Brothers, however, they waited until after the FA Cup and spoke to all the managers barring McKenna that none of us wanted. Why weren't they talking to Nagalsmann/Inzaghi/Motta/Ammor, even Alonso two or three months ago?
Downplaying the size and stature of the club just to defend an underperforming manager. Unbelievable.
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