Brainless decision unless it's tied to reducing his transfer influence, and reducing his wage or giving him bigger penalties for not hitting targets.
I'm definitely going to disagree on this one. We've made the right call here. Just about long enough to give him and the club some stability and assurance going forward but not so long that we've pinned ourselves into a corner.
It’s definitely not performative. There’s reasons like you listed along with the fact you can’t send your manager into the season with his contract expiring. It’s uncertainty for signing players and it creates a problem if players think “feck it he’s gone in a few months”
It gives exactly no stability or assurances to the club. If he doesn't perform during the following 12 months he will be sacked, the only difference is that it will cost the club far more money.
Jason Wilcox who has zero top level coaching experience is going to tell Erik ten Hag how to coach or setup the team. If that's the case then INEOS should've made Wilcox the head coach.
Obviously we reduce his influence and include various clauses that he has to meet. Reducing his wage is just petty and pretty pathetic.
Utd were terrible and terribly set up before the injuries started to mount up. Now highly likely his idiotic system would have had more success with a few of the better players more available to give him moments that win games but unless he changed his approach there still would have been a massive hole in midfield for the opposition to run through.
I wasn’t able to get gold so instead of going for bronze I chose to stew in shite.
Of course it does. Not giving him a new contract gives the perception that we have zero faith in him. Pretty poor that. Especially where our current players and potential signings are concerned. Ten Hag would have every right to talk to other clubs in order to secure his own future. It may even alter his management and make him think more short term in order to protect himself and his reputation. Just a bad environment really.
You're under the assumption that the bronze you see available is better than ten Hag. I'd massively question that.
But that's why you'd activate the contract extension that's already in place. The only reason to negotiate a new one is to reduce his influence or incentivise performances by taking more money away if he doesnt meet targets.
Erm what? Ole signed a new contract - when he was going into the last year of his contract - and was fired literally months later. Stop talking nonsense.
You give him a new contract in case he comes good and other teams start sniffing about. The contract is probably more about protecting United than rewarding ETH.
This is a really good listen, thanks for posting,
That’s because that season unfolded as an utter disaster. He would not have been fired if we had stayed at the level we had been at before 21-22.
my nan is better than ten hag
Haha, depends on how fulfilled my life is this time next yearAnd if there is will you come back and tell us all that you told us so?
The same? So 8th? Yeah, he'll be sacked if we finish 8th, and likely long before that. Wasn't Ole sacked when he was in like 7th or 8th place in Nov/Dec?
Yeah. There's two side of this argument really, which is quite nuanced unfortunately.
back in the day people used to put in effort and draw stuffI'm pretty sure Nvidia is overbought
All depends on where we are with transfers/injuries. If we fail to address key squad issues (entirely possible with limited budget) and have some injuries to our key players then it’s not unthinkable that we will finish 6th to 8th and it will be acceptable just like it was this year. It’s a long term project we will have entered here.
It's actually completely unthinkable tbh. Not sure what lens you're viewing this through.
He was very close to getting the sack this year while finishing 8th and a cup win saved him. The only thing that may save him next season if he finishes 6th-8th is winning the Europa League.
Unless your nan is Emma Hayes, I'd massively question that too.
He’s not only avoiding the sack but also getting a new deal which makes me think INEOS have taken more than that into consideration and must have a far more positive view on last season that the average fan.
Yep, this feels like our worst decision since hiring Moyes. Complete madness.
Yeah and worrying to say the least, suggests that INEOS and Erik are already not on the same page
no my nan’s dead
Yup. Great show
Wish we could have got the balance right between manager and owners involvement, presumably you wanted Qatari's to take over if you are calling INEOS stupid then
Ah. She's worse then.
Yeah I wouldn't give him a contract extension unless he proves able to meet certain conditions
But you understand that having him start the season with one year left on his contract doesn't work, right? It would be like INEOS saying "we're sticking with you but we're not convinced". ETH would be working under almost impossible circumstances. He loses a couple of games and the knives will be out. This contract gives him and the club security.
So, either ETH wins the league or Southgate comes in and does really well. And one of the people interviewed will be going down in folklore.
What does any of this mean?
Everyone knows he isn't secure and a new contract won't change that if its a short extension
