With you on this, yeah. I was EtH out as well, but I’ll support him and the team (of course), though I still think he’s a lucky, lucky man. Hopefully Ineos show more ruthlessness with the squad turnover than they did here. Onwards and upwards I say.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Oh yeah there is no doubt he's very lucky particularly when you see how close it got in that article
Never voted in the poll as part of me felt he deserved another season. Just get on with it now and get behind him.
Because the version of ETH you see now, isn't a continuation of the previous one. He's essentially a new hire after him and a bunch of other options were interviewed. I believe there's also changes to the title and responsibilities, now he'll be a head coach instead of a manager.
The other side of this is that he had a year left on his previous contract, so going into that year will just lead to more and more speculations after every single win or defeat, creating an unstable and uncertain future. They either had to back him or sack him. I don't agree that backing him was necessarily the right choice but I agree with the thought process and approach. It's a sign of mature decision making which is good for us.
We do, but some people have stronger views than others on how that should be achieved. Then they like to remind people about those views later. Or else they just disappear from here
My thoughts too. If it doesn't work out, INEOS can always sack him at a future date but let's see how things go with the new infrastructure in place.
I know they own Nice but are trying to sell if you believe the papers. Not sure of the other one.
Hahaha it’s a problem for me I’m sorry.
That’s one of the phrases that grinds my gears! Just because we have had success in the past doesn’t mean we are entitled to it or should even demand it.
Trying to ignore injuries when it’s been a record high for us, or anyone in the league. To key players as you say and multiple in the same positions. Then the new players have different attributes and then the style changes again.
Saying that others would have given youth a chance, not true, and him actually improving them. He would have promoted more if they would have been more consistent too like Amad or Hannibal. Or if the senior players had provided more consistency.
But just to say it’s not about the opposing view it’s the derision for having hope.
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This is exactly how I feel as well. Tuchel was the only manager touted that I thought would likely do a better job than Ten Hag, didn't really fancy any of the others as an upgrade.
Through the cup runs and winning two of them, he's shown he does have the capability to win things with a squad that isn't great, which can't be said for many managers so I have to give credit for that.
I think given the circumstances last season with players injured, good players from the previous season completely out of form, the Sancho situation, one striker etc etc, I'm ultimately ok with him getting another shot.
There need to be a significantly better showing in the league though for it to be the correct decision and warrant an extension for Ten Hag. The suicide midfield tactics need to go. And if we're in front and doing well, he needs to coach the team to deal with that more effectively, not let them take the foot off the gas and bring on subs that kill all our momentum. I don't want to see us trying to shut up shop then end up under long periods of sustained pressure until we inevitably concede a goal.
Why are we lapping up these stories? Its clear whats happening.. none of the journalists knew what is happening. They all guessed that Ten Hag is getting sacked and are now trying to make things up to backtrack and find reason.
In reality none of them know.
In reality none of them know.
Hey I didn’t say as many I said some….erm……ahhh…..hmmmm
na for real I can’t be bothered as I’m sure it’ll make no difference but wins against all of the top 6, the run in Europe which included wins over Barca. Also the integration of youth and improving the environment to a certain degree.
Oh and 2 cups are ok I guess.
Unless his idea of a midfield changes drastically, I won't expect significant changes in performance next season.
The problem also goes back to his first season, the Eriksen-Casemiro pair despite the good results left gaps in midfield which weren't exploited as frequently as this season. I don't see how he would solve this with the set-up he has had for most of his career. Bruno-Mainoo + 1 won't work unless this 1 is peak Keane or someone similar.
The problem also goes back to his first season, the Eriksen-Casemiro pair despite the good results left gaps in midfield which weren't exploited as frequently as this season. I don't see how he would solve this with the set-up he has had for most of his career. Bruno-Mainoo + 1 won't work unless this 1 is peak Keane or someone similar.
That is just such a sensationalist take on the whole thing. The Whitwell / Crafton article has much more detail
https://archive.is/icknB
The discussion between Ten Hag and the club was around the game model that INEOS planned for the club. Reading between the lines I assume no more of United being the best transition side in the world as Ten Hag wanted originally. The most I'd expect Wilcox to say is you're letting in too many transitions, tighten up. I highly doubt that Wilcox is telling Ten Hag to play two false 9s with Bruno and McT.
Jamie Jackson...
We really need to stop this Marginal gains bollocks. It’s all woo.
Dave Brailsford succeeded in cycling for one reason and one reason only. Money.
At GB Cycling he spent more money than the (then) 3 biggest cycling nations at Olympic level. Spending it well still matters. But the spend was gigantic. Cav talking to it slightly here
At Team Sky, they initially spent quadruple the standard Cycling annual budget. That shrunk to ‘only’ double over the period. HOWEVER, they initially targeted one race. The TdF. They then expanded to the other two grand Tours as means to grow a squad to win in France. Almost all other teams were spending their budget to fight for the whole cycling calendar. Caught eye talking to budget here
With regards to marginal gains - Here is a decent take down - it’s one of those difficult to debunk. Because the nature of the debunking sees you forced to say ‘None of this was new or had an impact’. Which almost implies that if you do all of the little things, you are endorsing marginal gains.
Honestly, it’s hokum. It’s all just money. As it always is. Tale as old as time.
Brailsford will need to come in, and be given obscene amounts of money (read: Ashworth payouts. £XBn stadium/training ground changes. Recruit low and young, sell high and optimally).
Do I think he’s a good person to spend the money? Perhaps. But he’s not a football guy, nor is he some widely accepted savant. So many Sky cyclists rip the piss out of his nonsense. The fella loves the sound of his own voice and is very happy to take credit for successes. He truly believes that his inputs are impactful, but never offers up his inputs as being detrimental. EVER.
Radcliffe and Brailsford will be better than the hollowing out of the club that we’ve seen with the Glazers and Woodward. But… so what? That’s such a low bar as to be irrelevant.
The man’s largely a fraud and knows dick about football. We’re simply not going to see some sudden explosive change at this club, nor should we expect one.
Finally, it's settled. It was the right decision for me to keep him. Third year, let's see some progress next season.
This summers recruitment will be a big factor in determining how next season goes. More pace in rest defence and a midfielder with legs that work and I can see his crazy style working once the forwards stop giving the ball away cheaply.
This summers recruitment will be a big factor in determining how next season goes. More pace in rest defence and a midfielder with legs that work and I can see his crazy style working once the forwards stop giving the ball away cheaply.
That's about it really, the list of pros is considerably shorter but had more emotional moments. Personally I enjoyed the Liverpool win more than City, I dont know if its because deep down i knew ten hag coudl stay if we won or if because City were so shite that day.
Although I voted for him to go, I’m happy enough he stayed as the options available aren’t better than what we have. Hopefully he’s backed properly in the market this summer, could make for an interesting season ahead.
Yeah, you’re spot on Simon. All the arguments have been done to death: injuries, tactics, substitutions, man management, favoritism, transfers etc. but they’ve decided to keep him on so there’s no point in moaning about it every single day now because he’s here to stay (for now at least). Here’s hoping he’s able to turn it around, but I have my doubts at this point.
*everyone will be unhappy.
Altough I am quite sure Ten Hag isn't the happiest man at the moment too considering he waited for almost a month to find out he is not getting sacked, if I was in his place I wouldn't be so happy the way everything worked out.
Don't care how he feels honestly. After the shit he served up over the season, he can't take his position for granted. Making him a bit uncomfortable is a good thing. It's not like he has us firing on all cylinders and we have to be worried about him quitting. If he quits without us having to pay a dime, that's fine too.
Didn't Wilcox get Russell Martin to play that system 4-2-2-2. It was a system that whole football structure went with at Southampton.
article out a while ago about it.
Since the Palace hammering something was changed or said and we played that for rest of season and the cup final.
Amrabat was bought in to midfield as well to bring us more defensive cover.
That will never happen.
I see they are briefing the Guardian that Bruno as false 9 was not ETH’s idea. Stop now, you clowns while you are stumbling in the right direction
Ofcourse not, not like Ten Hag has ever used a False 9 in Tadic and his first season at United.
It was like the first thing he did when he arrived at Southampton. He got them playing a certain brand of football that was replicated from the youth teams to the first team. It's something City have done for years now and of course Wilcox was academy director there and made sure all the youth sides played in a similar way to the first team.
Maybe Wilcox reminded him.
Jackson is awful journo, amazed Erik has held on though when you read through that article. Shame we will never find out why neither Tuchel nor De Zerbi got appointed when it got so close
surely every manager has a veto on signings. It's not like they'll go "SURRPISE!!!!! We've just signed Jadon Sancho's twin brother, have fun"
They will surely work with a list of players that recruitment and manager are comfortable with and then go from there. If the manager really wants a player, but the club don't think he'd be the right fit, they'd veto as well
I honestly don't think it even got that far with other managers. It's not like they'd just decided at 8pm last night. The Tuchel stories were likely bullshit media whoppers trying to get in first with an "I told you so"
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I think there is a fair amount of truth it got close with Tuchel, apparently he mentioned getting Sancho firing again in that meeting. I wonder if that didn't go down well with INEOS considering the issue with Erik
Interesting. Let's see if we see anything like this change going in to the new season.
Wonder if Ten Hag changes. Must of been part of the discussions in reasons he will be kept on.
Even people that don't have coaching badges could tell you football we seen last season was dreadful. No idea what was going on.
Which players were trying to get the manager sacked?
I think how it usually works in these situations is the club implements a style of play, the manager then builds his team around said style of play - if he wants a certain position filling he relay that to the recruitment team who then come back to him with a list of players which fit the profile, he then selects from said list which he’d like the club to try attain.
Fecks sake awful decision based on a single FA cup win rather than a 38 game season.
Reckon we’ll be searching for a new man halfway next season when Ten Hag is inevitably sacked. I hope he proves me wrong, highly doubt it though.
I think this is a balanced approach where the manager is limited to strictly coaching the team.
I don't even think it's necessary for the manager to require a specific player, the recruitment can use data and scouts to determine recommendations.
It's important INEOS assemble this correctly so that we can move away from ideologies such as "backing the manager" in the market and instead build a successful team of cohesive players that in the event of the manager potentially leaving another candidate can come in and it's business as normal. It's more important to foster sustainability.
Tell that to Louis.