I'm definitely going to disagree on this one. We've made the right call here. Just about long enough to give him and the club some stability and assurance going forward but not so long that we've pinned ourselves into a corner.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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For the love of God just take away his transfer powers, we can't keep wasting money on utter garbage.
As for him staying on - it's depressing as he's a terrible manager, but the lack of adequate options forced our hand I suppose.
As for him staying on - it's depressing as he's a terrible manager, but the lack of adequate options forced our hand I suppose.
It’s definitely not performative. There’s reasons like you listed along with the fact you can’t send your manager into the season with his contract expiring. It’s uncertainty for signing players and it creates a problem if players think “feck it he’s gone in a few months”
It gives exactly no stability or assurances to the club. If he doesn't perform during the following 12 months he will be sacked, the only difference is that it will cost the club far more money.
Jason Wilcox who has zero top level coaching experience is going to tell Erik ten Hag how to coach or setup the team. If that's the case then INEOS should've made Wilcox the head coach.
I think all they should do is emphasise to the coach about wanting to implement a more dominant brand of football. And it's the coach's job to make that happen whilst the likes of Wilcox and Ashworth oversee the recruitment to support the coach in succeeding in implementing the play-style via well thought out transfers backed up by data and analytics.
Obviously we reduce his influence and include various clauses that he has to meet. Reducing his wage is just petty and pretty pathetic.
There was no proactive move. Just a move. Sacking him and appointing a manager who isn't good enough wouldn't have been proactive either.
Utd were terrible and terribly set up before the injuries started to mount up. Now highly likely his idiotic system would have had more success with a few of the better players more available to give him moments that win games but unless he changed his approach there still would have been a massive hole in midfield for the opposition to run through.
Concerns around Ten Hag aren't just on last season, there were many concerning signs post the league cup final in 22/23 as well.
I wasn’t able to get gold so instead of going for bronze I chose to stew in shite.
The shite is Ten Hag if that wasn’t clear.
Of course it does. Not giving him a new contract gives the perception that we have zero faith in him. Pretty poor that. Especially where our current players and potential signings are concerned. Ten Hag would have every right to talk to other clubs in order to secure his own future. It may even alter his management and make him think more short term in order to protect himself and his reputation. Just a bad environment really.
You're under the assumption that the bronze you see available is better than ten Hag. I'd massively question that.
I don't know where the notion that you can't have a manager on the last year of their contract has come from. Keeping him on if we're not seeing a suitable alternative is fine, a 24 month contract extension should be earned.
So either the club feel he's earned a fresh contract based on last season's performance, or we're potentially going to hand out an undeserved contract just for the optics. Either way would feel silly to me.
So either the club feel he's earned a fresh contract based on last season's performance, or we're potentially going to hand out an undeserved contract just for the optics. Either way would feel silly to me.
But that's why you'd activate the contract extension that's already in place. The only reason to negotiate a new one is to reduce his influence or incentivise performances by taking more money away if he doesnt meet targets.
And if they think he's going to agree to terms like that there may yet be a sting in the tail to all this, like there obviously was with Tuchel's negotiations.
It is funny though how everyone who was coming out with the 'let him see out his last year and then decide next summer' crap were instantly proven to be in cloud cuckoo land. Ten Hag staying always meant more money from the club into his bank account, the only question is how much more.
Erm what? Ole signed a new contract - when he was going into the last year of his contract - and was fired literally months later. Stop talking nonsense.
You give him a new contract in case he comes good and other teams start sniffing about. The contract is probably more about protecting United than rewarding ETH.
This is a really good listen, thanks for posting,
Ornstein very objective in his analysis of the situation.
That’s because that season unfolded as an utter disaster. He would not have been fired if we had stayed at the level we had been at before 21-22.
If we get this much worse vs last season next year then ETH will be at risk new contract or not. But that would mean bottom half football, I don’t think it’s going to happen. Think we’ll do better or the same at worst.
my nan is better than ten hag
Haha, depends on how fulfilled my life is this time next yearAnd if there is will you come back and tell us all that you told us so?
The same? So 8th? Yeah, he'll be sacked if we finish 8th, and likely long before that. Wasn't Ole sacked when he was in like 7th or 8th place in Nov/Dec?
I'm just curious as to what these "assurances" are that he should be given? He has a job to do, and if the season unfolds anything like last time around, he should rightfully be sacked by Christmas.
Yeah. There's two side of this argument really, which is quite nuanced unfortunately.
If we were a well run successful club with all the footballing structure in place on and off the pitch (like Madrid), we should very rightly tell ETH to honour his contract and do the best of his job in a professional and assertive manner. The issue now is that they have 'objectively' decided to stick with ETH and for the next 12 months to work, they need to plan beyond that. That will require more buy in from ETH because they need to work with the manager that has his fingerprints all over the squad.
I personally hope the new contract thing is the current 'buy in' now, which is say discussions will drag on into the season (or call if a bluff if you will) and allow INEOS to make an ultimate decision to see what the next season would look like under him in January.
However, I'll won't be surprised if they announce a new 2 year deal or something before the season starts. I wouldn't agree with it but I understand why.
I'm pretty sure Nvidia is overbought
back in the day people used to put in effort and draw stuff
Now all they do is use this chap gtp
All depends on where we are with transfers/injuries. If we fail to address key squad issues (entirely possible with limited budget) and have some injuries to our key players then it’s not unthinkable that we will finish 6th to 8th and it will be acceptable just like it was this year. It’s a long term project we will have entered here.
It's actually completely unthinkable tbh. Not sure what lens you're viewing this through.
He was very close to getting the sack this year while finishing 8th and a cup win saved him. The only thing that may save him next season if he finishes 6th-8th is winning the Europa League.
Unless your nan is Emma Hayes, I'd massively question that too.
He’s not only avoiding the sack but also getting a new deal which makes me think INEOS have taken more than that into consideration and must have a far more positive view on last season that the average fan.
Yep, this feels like our worst decision since hiring Moyes. Complete madness.
Yeah and worrying to say the least, suggests that INEOS and Erik are already not on the same page
no my nan’s dead
Yup. Great show
Wish we could have got the balance right between manager and owners involvement, presumably you wanted Qatari's to take over if you are calling INEOS stupid then
Ah. She's worse then.
Yeah I wouldn't give him a contract extension unless he proves able to meet certain conditions
I don't know what true anymore
But you understand that having him start the season with one year left on his contract doesn't work, right? It would be like INEOS saying "we're sticking with you but we're not convinced". ETH would be working under almost impossible circumstances. He loses a couple of games and the knives will be out. This contract gives him and the club security.
So, either ETH wins the league or Southgate comes in and does really well. And one of the people interviewed will be going down in folklore.
What does any of this mean?
Everyone knows he isn't secure and a new contract won't change that if its a short extension
How on earth is this nonsense still being spouted even though Ashworth himself has been very direct about the importance of the manager approving the transfer.
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