We're Manchester United, not Brentford. We're being held back through incompetent ownership and management as opposed to lack of funds and prestige. It's natural for some of us to expect more and want the club to do better.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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This will be interesting. Looks like complete mess and people in charge who are not sure in which direction they want to go. Too many people in positions to define strategy, and the worst manager in the league who has to implement new playing style decided by temporary DoF, and who was not capable to implement his own playing style successfully. All we need now is new big contract for Ten Hag to make him impossible to sack in the next few years and a few more players to sign from his network of mediocre players not suitable for Premier League.
If you know someone is going to fail and you back him unconditionally. What is that called?
Oh my... this blind faith business again. I mean no one is giving him blind faith, go read what most people are saying, they want to see a major improvement next season
Oh yes, I forgot its only Ten Hag who spent money... the other 10 years before him, we spent no money right?
I've been a life-long red from Old Trafford. How is it now the mark of a true or top red to only back the manager and not you know...support the club you were brought up with?Not surprising, there's quite a few posters in here that have been throwing proper hissy fits since the news broke last night. The term throwing toys out of the pram doesn't even do it justice
Yes they are, they are hoping that somehow things magically improve from this utter disaster he's been the most to blame for.
Its good to see 2 trophies in 2 seasons is classified as failure. Who said its unconditional support? I think most people, unless you can prove otherwise have said, he has to really improve next season, even giving him 7/8 games next season to show he can improve the team.
I would like to see what you call success then? If trophies is not success, I guess for you its top 4 and + GD.
The ownership has just changed, so its up to you to decide how long you giving them to prove their worth.
What has where your from got to do with it? Anyway that's not what I mean, there's quite a few in here giving the impression that they hope we lose alot/won't support the team next season just because the manager they didn't want is staying. If your not doing that then fair enough, apologies, but it's just coming across that way.
I'm just saying that standards in the 70s and 80s were higher and that fans hoped and expected title challenges to end the dry run of 20 odd years. Nowadays we're comfortable finishing 8th if we get a cup.
Well, whenever people say back the manager, they dont mention these conditions. Yes the trophies are nice, but league position is the true indicator of where we are at as a club. Another season out of the CL and we'll turn into Chelsea.
What kind of question is that? Of course it has something to do with it, it's one reason why I am a United fan!
You put words in my mouth and created a strawman argument. If I only support United in good times then I would have decked off after LVG or Moyes wouldn't I?
Can we please drop this narrative that it was a complete disaster?
In his 2 seasons here he finished 3rd and 8th and reached 3 cup finals, winning 2 of them. This after taking a team filled with drama that gave up, finished 7th and hasn't won a trophy in 5 years.
So far league aside, looking at ETH's cup success. We lost 1 cup final to City due to De Gea constantly booting the ball to their players. We lost the EL semi-final due to De Gea and Maguire turning our defense into a circus. We also dropped out of this years CL due to Onana's howlers primarily.
All in all, these are individual errors that can be fixed.
In the league, that's a different conversation: his stubborness has to be questioned, but even then it looks like it clicked for him that you can't persist with the donut shape and expect to win anything.
All in all, far from the disaster you and most posters claim he was.
Correct.
We are not comfortable though are we. I cant see anyone who is saying if he finishes 8th next season, with a cup they will be happy, unless you can prove me otherwise?
Standards are not just set by the manager, its the club, the players, you have to build those standards, which is what we need to do with this squad.
So you would prefer a 4th place finish over a cup. I would say a Europa League and 5th is better than 4th and no trophy.
Really, I would not be happy with 4th, I want to see us competing for the title, not top 4.
United and their pals in the media have done a pretty good job last night in hoodwinking a lot of fans that this was a positive, proactive decision. When it clearly wasnt.
Good lord some of the takes on here. Were you that much of a fan of the Glazers too just because they were part of our club?
Of course fans will back the team and hope they win it all. Doesn't mean they are fans of that manager. There's every chance he turns that around though and proves the doubters wrong. Like me. Hope he does.
But at this moment of time I think keeping him a mistake although it seems he was much more of a last resort solution than anything else...
What kind of question is that? Of course.
I hoped that a definite choice would call down this topic but no such thing, eh?
How long would you suggest? I think it's the very least they can offer him.
I would suggest no extension.
I give up.
I don't really see how Ten Hag could object about this. Isn't this similar set up with how it was run at Ajax? Ashworth will be United version of Overmars
He came to United BECAUSE he had power over transfers and could demand certain players. He's getting that power removed, that's why he'd disagree.
Only if we actually earned that 4th place finish with good football, because then we're making progress, rather than just scraping it. My main concern is that he fluked the cup and made no progress in the league, his football is style wide open and we'd need to find another prime Casemiro to make it work, which we know is not going to happen.
So INEOS had to keep Ten Hag because he's the best man for the job....
But want him to give up control and do what they want too.
Fans didn't let them hire a sausage, so they want to turn Ten Hag into a malleable sausage instead.
Good luck with that INEOS
But want him to give up control and do what they want too.
Fans didn't let them hire a sausage, so they want to turn Ten Hag into a malleable sausage instead.
Good luck with that INEOS
All of this talk about him not accepting the new recruitment strategy is none sense. Do you honestly think they'd decide to keep ETH and stop all discussions with other managers if he wouldn't agree to it ?
I shudder to think of our future when the people that run our club are so amateurish as to not have this discussion with ETH before they decided to keep him....
I shudder to think of our future when the people that run our club are so amateurish as to not have this discussion with ETH before they decided to keep him....
To be fair, the main reason most people want him gone is because of how silly he makes us look on a regular basis.
If he’s reluctant to give up his transfer influence I don’t see the point in keeping him. Who’s actually running this club.
Ineos you’ve started well don’t let us down with not fulfilling your plans. Mangers will fail if we continue to give them control of what players come through the door.
The last thing we need if more Antony decisions.
Ineos you’ve started well don’t let us down with not fulfilling your plans. Mangers will fail if we continue to give them control of what players come through the door.
The last thing we need if more Antony decisions.
I like how finishing 8th is just casually mentioned. Worst PL campaign in modern era is not a "disaster", alright.
Fair enough. That wasn't my point though was it? Despite finishing as low as 8th, last season was still more entertaining than the 2015/16 season, therefore Van Gaal didn't "get sacked for less".
Bet that ginger fella is hobbers
But why bring it up? Where your from has nothing to do with what we're discussing. I've been a United fan for over 30 years and I'm from Ireland, should that matter somehow?
As I said it's the impression some are giving in this thread, "didn't get what I want with the manager so they won't get my support next season." It's not that blunt in their posts obviously, but that's basically it. As I also said it's throwing toys out of the pram/having a hissy fit. If that's not what your doing then as I said I apologise.
This has to be fake. I have never heard of a manager contract stipulating what powers he has with signings etc. And if such a thing exist it should be only for the elite proven managers, someone like Pep or Ancelloti.
Its absolutely crazy to me to think ETH has any room for negotiation.
Yeah. I assumed it would be a 1 year extension and a re-jig of his responsibilities
He’s going to come under pressure again before New Year and now the payoff is going to become more problematic
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