Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Like I said last night and have been saying for ages. He has a veto. That’s why the proposed new contract is necessary.


This is what happens when you reward mediocrity, the man is delusional and sees no fault of his in this disaster. Probably feels vindicated and won't concede a thing. These amateurs have shown that they fear fan perception so much and he is going to go for broke and run rings around them and before we know it we'd have spent a billion for a few Cups.

If he is reluctant to cede transfer control then its a legitimate reason to sack him as we aren't aligned.
 
This is what happens when you reward mediocrity, the man is delusional and sees no fault of his in this disaster. Probably feels vindicated and won't concede a thing. These amateurs have shown that they fear fan perception so much and he is going to go for broke and run rings around them and before we know it we'd have spent a billion for a few Cups.

If he is reluctant to cede transfer control then its a legitimate reason to sack him as we aren't aligned.

You do realise there is only certain journos that can be trusted and these two aren't on that list
 
Whilst this may be true, who's the mythical manager who might be available if they have to pull the trigger on him in 6 months, or before? Or even next summer?

There are arguably two outstanding managers in world football currently, being Pep and Klopp, neither of whom are every likely to manage United. So, as usual in the manager market there's a host of potentially top class managers, all of whom will have red flags; either inexperience at the top level, or failures at a club. The situation will be the same next summer, and probably the summer after. Other clubs will take a punt on some of those managers, just like United did with Ten Hag. City may be in the market.

They may have made the right long term call in not going with one of the other candidates but the suggestion (albeit in the press) that they'd decided to sack him and have now changed their mind is concerning. If they're going to be a success they need to be decisive because football moves fast. All succesful clubs need to identify and appoint new managers from the same pool.

The mythical manager doesn’t exist.

These guys we’re discussing, and I include Ten Hag, will carousel around the tops clubs and have ups and downs. In another world, we sack Ten Hag in April, he takes the Bayern job and wins a Bundesliga in the next twelve months. Tuchel may well have come here and had a good spell, probably followed by a bad one.

Ultimately, I think INEOS have looked at the options and, in the absence of clarity, have decided to follow the path of it’s the better the devil you know. All quite undignified, mind you.

I think what they do to overhaul the playing squad over the next year is going to have a far greater impact on our fortunes than the manager they choose.
 
Let’s hope that he has become humble enough to learn from the mistakes last season. If he can do that he may last. If he can’t then I expect more results and performances like the season just ended and he will be out of a job by Christmas.

I really don’t see this as a thing to celebrate since the jury is pretty much still out on him. The pressure this season will be enormous and there can be no excuses.

however glad that we can now move on with preparing for the new season. Time will tell if INEOS got it right or wrong.

no need for people to be insulting each other. We all want what’s best for United.

Sensible take, pretty much how I look at it as well.

We can't have another season like last, I hope he's been told that in no uncertain terms.
 
Sounds like to me Wilcox was the one that still wanted to sack him while Brailsford and possibly others at INEOS were in favour of keeping him.


Hah. Weren’t the same rumours that Brailsford was the one who was most keen on Southgate? It’s all just jumbled up nonsense
 
Yes, it’s very positive? We apparently had the worst season ever with the worst injury crisis we’ve had and yet we were 8 points off CL places and won a cup. Even if we sign nobody but have better injury luck, do you not think it’s reasonable to think we’d do better? Add in a few new players and I’d say it’s very reasonable to think we can then bridge the gap back to the CL places?


Was this confirmed by anyone?
 
Since Fergie left the power has been in the players hand. Keeping Ten Hag shows the players such as Sancho can’t behave the way they have been. No player is bigger than the club
 
surely every manager has a veto on signings. It's not like they'll go "SURRPISE!!!!! We've just signed Jadon Sancho's twin brother, have fun"

They will surely work with a list of players that recruitment and manager are comfortable with and then go from there. If the manager really wants a player, but the club don't think he'd be the right fit, they'd veto as well
I said many times; Liverpool had best approach (during Edwards era). Manager says position which he needs (and traits for that position), DoF and his staff find couple of players and manager can choose between them.

Only in Italy in 90s (when rich owners played live FM) there was a setup when owner would buy a player on his own (without asking manager anything).
It is perfectly logical that manager must approve signing. He will play him, train him and be with him every day.
 
Since Fergie left the power has been in the players hand. Keeping Ten Hag shows the players such as Sancho can’t behave the way
 
The narrative being pushed that the decision was made based solely on the FA cup is bs. He did a great job in his first year in charge, getting top 4, and a cup. This year has been shit, but anyone analyzing it needs to take account for the injuries that put people like Lindelof in LB and Casameiro in CB positions. Not to mention Rashy's form and Casa's form falling off a cliff. The culmination of those things clearly cost us. ETH defo had his role to play in the terrible results but it's not all on him. I think this 3rd year will make it more clear whether he's good enough or not, assuming we get some cover in the CB and LB positions.
 
Well, there you go. I had my doubts but I'll get behind him next season.

I hope, with a better management team in the room offering higher quality support and challenge,, and a more clearly defined coaching role, some smart signings, fewer injuries and more stability, we should do better,
 
Chelsea had an even more injury riddled campaign
You can check my post history, I've been wanting him gone for a while.

But that's a terrible comparison. You know, considering the amount they've spent recently, the squad they have and the fact that we had a better season than them anyway...
 
That's about it really, the list of pros is considerably shorter but had more emotional moments. Personally I enjoyed the Liverpool win more than City, I dont know if its because deep down i knew ten hag coudl stay if we won or if because City were so shite that day.
There are actually more than that’s it just the loses have come in bigger score lines that we colour the issue. I was of course being glib and even though we had a horrible season we still had some good performances in his tenure.
Even when we play well some folk will see it as lucky as the other team didn’t turn up. This will be true sometimes but is the understanding applied both ways? Doesn’t matter now though really, decisions made.
 
Now it's over to the club to create conditions that will help him turn things around. Better coaches and an overhauled midfield would be a start. If anyone thinks we're just magically going to become better without these things...
 
What part of what I said was wrong?

I'm no 'ETH defender'. There's no need to split the fanbase into two camps. I've been dissatisfied with what I've seen over the last 12 months, however I was responding to a poster who said Van Gaal was sacked for less. He really wasn't. Van Gaal's football was worse than what we saw last season.
I don't want to back a manager that gave us the worst league performance in 35 years and our worst Champions League performance in 10.
 
I don't want to back a manager that gave us the worst league performance in 35 years and our worst Champions League performance in 10.

So you will only support the team and manager during good times and not the tough ones. got it.
 
So you will only support the team and manager during good times and not the tough ones. got it.
No, I support the club not the manager. And managers like ETH are part of the reason we even HAVE bad times. It's not just players or the board.
 
No, I support the club not the manager. And managers like ETH are part of the reason we even HAVE bad times. It's not just players or the board.


So it shouldn't matter who the manager is?

If you support the club but dont wont back the manager, what will you do next season, hope we lose so he gets sacked?
 
So it shouldn't matter who the manager is?

If you support the club but dont wont back the manager, what will you do next season, hope we lose so he gets sacked?
Why should I "back the manger" when that manager is awful and dragged the team down with his awful tactics and wasted millions of our money on bad players to the extent we now have a paltry budget this season and have to sell to buy?

I will continue to support the club, but no manager deserves blind faith and support. You don't give it to the players - you're more than willing to throw them under the bus - then you shouldn't to anyone else.
 
So you will only support the team and manager during good times and not the tough ones. got it.
Not surprising, there's quite a few posters in here that have been throwing proper hissy fits since the news broke last night. The term throwing toys out of the pram doesn't even do it justice :lol:
 
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