At least we don’t get Southgate. However, I am afraid we will be back in the same situation after a wasted year.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Glad he’s staying especially after how the media have treated him. Wasn’t really keen on him staying during the season because our performance was shambolic but seeing how the players played their hearts out for him during the final versus City made me believe the team really wanted him to stay.
I’m pleased he’s been kept on but I hope his recruitment powers have been reduced to only making demands on positions he needs rather than choosing the players himself. I also hope he’s been kept on with the caveat of replicating or at least playing close to the football he played at Ajax.
INEOS have not painted themselves in a good light on how they’ve handled this situation and I hope this is the end of this clown show that this club can’t seem to escape from. Bring on next season, let’s go Ezza!!
I’m pleased he’s been kept on but I hope his recruitment powers have been reduced to only making demands on positions he needs rather than choosing the players himself. I also hope he’s been kept on with the caveat of replicating or at least playing close to the football he played at Ajax.
INEOS have not painted themselves in a good light on how they’ve handled this situation and I hope this is the end of this clown show that this club can’t seem to escape from. Bring on next season, let’s go Ezza!!
We can't possibly have the same problems as last year. It was freakish and our squad will surely be more resilient by the time the season starts.
Not that, but if they decided based on the fa cup final, that's just very reactive m
Of course it does.
They can think that he's not good and that keeping him is bad for United even though they couldn't beat him in three tries.
I mean, it already happened, didn't it? We didn't lose to Liverpool, but still had a crappy season.
So how will this non acceptance manifest if not just complaining?
You should write to the club, and spare us.
It was a factor, and winning trophies should be a factor. I'd say the players reaction was also a factor. Just two of many many factors though.
Of course there were, serious doubts. The backline injuries aren't a sole excuse for the record number of shots Onana faced last season. There's adjustments tactically he could have made in midfield to stop that, as we seen in the final four games of the season where he changed it up. Hopefully he's learned because there will always be injury setbacks, not on that scale, but they'll be there. I'll give him my support but it's alright to admit we have doubts.
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He doesn't deserve to stay (compared to other managers), but I don't think we would be better off by sacking him.
I'm "thrilled" that the fans reaction played a big role in this.
But oh well, here we are. I will always support the manager and hope he does well, cause that is only good for our beloved team.
But, I actually hope they wait with giving him an extension, because this might not turn out to be a good decision. Yes I'm not confident about this, mostly because what we saw this season. I really, really hope he proves me wrong.
He's only got a year left on his contract.
If they don't offer him a new contract now it suggests that they have zero faith in him.
It's already been confirmed that new contract talks are underway.
Let’s hope that he has become humble enough to learn from the mistakes last season. If he can do that he may last. If he can’t then I expect more results and performances like the season just ended and he will be out of a job by Christmas.
I really don’t see this as a thing to celebrate since the jury is pretty much still out on him. The pressure this season will be enormous and there can be no excuses.
however glad that we can now move on with preparing for the new season. Time will tell if INEOS got it right or wrong.
no need for people to be insulting each other. We all want what’s best for United.
I really don’t see this as a thing to celebrate since the jury is pretty much still out on him. The pressure this season will be enormous and there can be no excuses.
however glad that we can now move on with preparing for the new season. Time will tell if INEOS got it right or wrong.
no need for people to be insulting each other. We all want what’s best for United.
There will be a lot of "I told you sos" one way or another in this thread by the end of next season.
I know and I know... but still, maybe wait and see. I'm afraid we will be in this same situation at the end of the next season or even earlier.
Well that would be childish, because we all ultimately want the same thing, right? for Manchester United to be successful. I couldn't give a damn if I'm wrong. In fact, I would be delighted to be wrong about this manager and he goes on to take us back to the top.
Reasonable take.
I think, above all else, what ETH needs more than anything is a strong start to the season. Even if performances falter further along in the season, a strong start will get him more patience during that time, I think. We need to see something positive from the start of the season to have some positivity in what he's doing.
Fans reaction to Ten Hag also, I know that Andy Mitten done a poll and showed it to Ten Hag, he mentioned it in his podcast.
People actually dismissing a trophy like its just another game is crazy. Its the manner of the victory and opposition. It was against City who we dont beat in finals and they dont lose games when it comes to the end of the season.
Injuries are part and parcel of the game. Squad building should be made with such in mind, and a manager should be expected to adapt and adjust, when needed, to account for them and maximise results and performances despite. You can’t be having all around shambolic performances and seasons and just “injuries!” your way out of responsibility/accountability. We weren’t even the only club to be ravaged by injuries last season. Does this just go on indefinitely whenever we get injuries to core players?
That’s all redundant now, and has been discussed here ad-nauseam, ideally we won’t have to see it, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t curious to see how much further people are willing to commit to the aforementioned mantra, since it’s been all too bizarre for me.
I have no faith nor excitement for the upcoming season - as this wasn’t the outcome I wanted. However, I do wish him good luck as a bad next season means we’d be at a “starting point” again in 25/26, and I just want United to be good again.
Perfectly put. Thank you
Really hope for a strong start. I want him to make us believe again. Season 1 I thought we were heading the right way.
At least they've made a decision, and recruitment etc. can now begin.
It's a huge call by INEOS. He wasn't their man, but he'll be perceived to be now. I still don't think he's good enough and hopefully this decision wasn't taken because they weren't sure who, of the available options, was right for the job.
Hopefully they back him with a decent transfer window and he get's what he thinks he needs to push us on. One way or other, I think it'll be clear by Christmas whether this was the right decision.
It's a huge call by INEOS. He wasn't their man, but he'll be perceived to be now. I still don't think he's good enough and hopefully this decision wasn't taken because they weren't sure who, of the available options, was right for the job.
Hopefully they back him with a decent transfer window and he get's what he thinks he needs to push us on. One way or other, I think it'll be clear by Christmas whether this was the right decision.
Well, I wanted him gone after this calamitous season. But the cup win and the names on the short list tells me this is not that bad if he is staying.
Really hope he learned from this season and that we will make progress next one.
Anyway I’ll support him and the team next year.
Would really like me to have been wrong about him and say next year that I was a moron to want him gone.
Our transfer window will be crucial.
Really hope he learned from this season and that we will make progress next one.
Anyway I’ll support him and the team next year.
Would really like me to have been wrong about him and say next year that I was a moron to want him gone.
Our transfer window will be crucial.
Will we see a different style of football lads? Does anyone think Wilcox has told him to change things? Be interesting to see.
Same. It made last season even more disappointing after how hopeful I was following season one
I genuinely would like nothing more than for him to prove my doubts wrong
I think we will know in the first 3 PL games if it is the right decision.
We played Wolves last season in the opening game, the signs of us being open were all there.
Obviously, December for results but the way we play in the first 3 PL games will tell us if Ten Hag has learnt at all or not.
Yeah although our polls are 50/50, from what I've read and from fans I've spoken to, most were in favour of him staying.
Yeah, a cup final is not only one game like any other. Trophy wins have frequently altered the the trajectory of a team and manager. Final defeats the same.
And yes, the opposition and the manager of the victory are also factors.
That said, all it has earned him is a reprieve. He has no margin of error now.
He is calling the newspaper a rag not the journalist and yes it was Steinburg who is a Chelsea reporter isn't he?
He probably doesn’t deserve to stay with 19 defeats, however he’s a stubborn MF who now knows he’s on last chance saloon and he’s the only coach apart from Pep next season whose won 2 or more major trophies in England, I don’t count community shields.
He needs to get back to wining games and wining against lower league teams easily, he owes the fans some absolute fantastic performances and I want him questioned about losing home and away to Palace, Taking 1 point from Bournemouth in 2 games, Drawing at home to Burnley, losing at home to Brighton, losing at home to Galatasaray, Defeats at home to Fulham, away to Forrest, he needs to know that we expect a 60-65% win rate this season in the EPL or he might not last.
I’d like to see Wilcox manage him, not Dan Ashworth, he’s more of a football man and knows what wining a PL looks like, he will also advise when ETH gets it wrong as I Think he did in the last 4 games of the season, we looked a different team with a definite 4231 or 4312 false 9 formation against Arsenal, Newcastle, Brighton and City.
We should not give him his new contract until November after he’s proved himself in the first 10 PL games, ETH has not started the last two PL season the right way, this time he has no room for error, we don’t want to see 4 points after 4 or 5 PL games whoever we play against?
He needs to get back to wining games and wining against lower league teams easily, he owes the fans some absolute fantastic performances and I want him questioned about losing home and away to Palace, Taking 1 point from Bournemouth in 2 games, Drawing at home to Burnley, losing at home to Brighton, losing at home to Galatasaray, Defeats at home to Fulham, away to Forrest, he needs to know that we expect a 60-65% win rate this season in the EPL or he might not last.
I’d like to see Wilcox manage him, not Dan Ashworth, he’s more of a football man and knows what wining a PL looks like, he will also advise when ETH gets it wrong as I Think he did in the last 4 games of the season, we looked a different team with a definite 4231 or 4312 false 9 formation against Arsenal, Newcastle, Brighton and City.
We should not give him his new contract until November after he’s proved himself in the first 10 PL games, ETH has not started the last two PL season the right way, this time he has no room for error, we don’t want to see 4 points after 4 or 5 PL games whoever we play against?
If we have to wait until Christmas to judge a manager that's already been here the past two seasons, INEOS might as well have never taken over and we'll continue the trajectory of writing off entire seasons in the hope that a failing manager comes good at some point.
Agreed.
This does not mean its blind faith in him.
He needs to improve the team massively, he has used up his credit from season 1 and excuses. So its now time to deliver. He is starting the next season with negative credit, he will have to have an outstanding season to convince 30/40% of the fan base he is the right man.
Hopefully he can deliver.
No!
Read it again:
....only 8 points behind Aston Villa....
Let it sink in.
We are Manchester United, btw.
Injury luck? Do you really believe it is luck and not the training regime that has caused the injuries?
What about the total lack of identity and the poor overall play on the pitch?
I'll gladly eat my words, but I think you'd have a better chance of winning the Lottery than we have of becoming one of the 4 best teams in England next season with ETH as manager.
He had a hell of a lot to deal with to be honest. Hopefully we sort out the Greenwood and Sancho situations and either Rashford is sold or he has sorted himself out over the summer. The Saudi's also need to come in for Casemiro. The board have kept him, so now they have to back him with correct signings that fit the style wanted and fit the club character wise.
Whats caused the injuries over the past 5/6 years? The same training regime?
Amateur hour it seems like, the opportunity to refresh the club, playing staff and style was reviewed and for some reason not acted on. Strange to say the least, any run of bad results and there will be if the incomings and outgoings are limited, then it’s only a matter of time (say 3 months) before the call comes for a change of direction.
The pressure on the new staff to get the transfer system right is enormous, as ETH just looking first and last at the Dutch league was verging on insane, that league is equivalent to the Championship and asked for fees as if it was Serie A or La Lisa. Fingers crossed that the direction under the incoming football staff gets it right, else we see some serious blood letting and scorn from our rivals.
The pressure on the new staff to get the transfer system right is enormous, as ETH just looking first and last at the Dutch league was verging on insane, that league is equivalent to the Championship and asked for fees as if it was Serie A or La Lisa. Fingers crossed that the direction under the incoming football staff gets it right, else we see some serious blood letting and scorn from our rivals.
I'm curious what your stance will be then, as you've been a very staunch supporter of ETH. Not 3 PL games but let's say 7 PL games and Ten Hag is making the same mistakes.
Sarni was slagged off for being sarcastic all season but he was on this before even Ornstein.
As others have said it could also be they are changing the terms of the contract with an extension. Not allowing him to dictate who the club buy, also performance clauses that if not achieved will lessen any compensation due.
In what way? Temper our expectations?
What does that mean we are Manchester United? We shouldn't be competing with Villa? Can you explain what you mean by letting it sink in? I am confused.
Yep, it is luck, do you think it was Ten Hags regime that Lisandro got injured in a PL game then came back and jarred his knee in a tackle, maybe he didnt train him enough to show him how to tackle without injuring?
It was training that Mainoo got injured in a tackle in pre season, Daym Ten HAg.. he should tell the players not to tackle.
Why should we wait that long and sacrifice yet another season. My take is that he needs to hit the ground running, keeping pace with the top 4 teams or in the top 4 to even finish the season. If he has us staggering around 8th or 9th the he should go whilst the season is still salvageable, they made the wrong call now and there is no need to make things worse by persisting with a failure. The FA Cup bought him some time but it would be criminal negligence to waste another season on him.
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